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Vitamin D Is An Immunosupressive Hormone (Marshall Protocol)

Discussion in 'Hormones' started by achillea, Dec 15, 2016.

  1. achillea

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    You should specify "D supplements can be..." what an awful and misleading title.
     
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    If microbial cells outnumber human cells by a factor of 10:1, and are extremely varied from person to person, what does that mean for our health? They can be in every part of the human body.

    I wonder if people would be more susceptible disease with more or less microbial cells? Do they serve a beneficial function?
     
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    Ya this is an obnoxious title. Sucrose can suppress the immune system...
     
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    The idea that Vitamin D could be immunosuppressant a la omega 3's is interesting. I do find the idea that certain pathogens attack the VDR questionable. Back when I had acute Lyme I researched the Marshall Protocol and the evidence was lacking, imo.
     
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    So they're placing the blame on the vitamin D in fortified milk.

    "The men were followed for three decades. At that point, 128 men had developed Parkinson’s. But… cue drum roll… the risk of Parkinson’s disease increased as the amount of milk consumed each day rose. Heavy milk drinkers, who drank more than 16 oz a day, were 2.3 times more likely to develop Parkinson’s disease than those men who didn’t drink any milk. Milk was related to PD whether it was whole or skim."

    "The powerful secosteroid incorrectly labelled “vitamin” D seems like an extremely logical culprit for the rise in PD amongst subjects drinking higher amounts of milk. As described in this recent paper, vitamin D’s steroidal properties allow it slow the innate immune response. While this allows for palliation and symptom reduction in the short-term, it causes chronic bacteria that very likely contribute to the progression of PD to proliferate more easily."

    I find that questionable. Two glasses of milk would amount to about 200 IU of vitamin D. If that little D was causing problems, one would think increased sun exposure would increase Parkinson's risk, but it's generally been found to be either protective or neutral.
     
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    hmmm, makes me wonder if "vitamin D" would be beneficial in large doses for a temporary period during an autoimmune flare. Going by the logic in this video, it would suppress the immune system. Once the flare was over, reduce it to a small dose.
     
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    We really thought the forum was for posing info and receiving response from others who are interested in health like Peater Piper giving the input about having investigated the Marshall Plan and found it lacking .
    Alls we are trying to do is to live a healthful life. It is worth looking into other sides, contrary sides and conflicting sides of matters to do with self health or else you can become dogmatic and may miss something of importance.
    As it turns out Dr Marshall is an electrical engineer and the reason he started with this is because he was ailing. And Dr. Blaney just died of cancer which may have been low D. This is not to say it is wrong as it seems to help some people.
    Personally for now we are going to keep our D up to Peat standards.
    But what about D levels and infection, like lyme or mycoplasma ?
     
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    Keep in mind I'm not the brightest tool in the shed, but what turned me away from it is that almost all information about the Marshall Protocol is from Marshall himself or a few sites dedicated to the protocol, so I'm concerned about bias, and the entire thing sounds a little too good to be true. It's a difficult plan to follow, so I'd like to be certain about the efficacy before undertaking it, but there are some people that rave about their good results. There does seem to be people that respond very well to vitamin D supplementation, and others that find it problematic, and there still isn't really a general consensus on how high vitamin D levels should even be. There's even debate over whether 25(OH)D, or 1,25-D should me measured.

    I need to look more into D and Lyme. To now I've just been relying on sunlight in the warmer months for D (and my levels do go up without much trouble) assuming my body would get it right. Now I'm not so sure. Thanks for giving me something to look into. I did supplement 2k IU a day years ago and never noticed a difference one way or another.
     
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    There isn't a lot of disambiguation in the Peat community between "suppressing the immune system" and "factors which cause an immune system not to be over active / over reactive" (autoimmune issues). Autoimmune and Vit D deficiency have significant correlations everywhere in the world.
     
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    Vitamin D is absolutely not an immunosuppressor hormone, it's a immunomodulator, which is totally different. It modulates and does not suppresses it. Two different concepts.
     
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    Could make it worse longterm though.
     
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    So, modulates in what direction? Suppressing or enhancing? I assume it is "changing" the immune system somehow, but in what sense? For better or worse?
     
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    It basically makes it stay quiet and not over react (e.g. not fighting our own body). That is how autoimmune diseases stay in remission.
     
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    "More than this, vitamin D strengthens the capacity of the immune system to react against viruses, bacteria, like the Tb bacillus.

    The ability of our immune system to react against these micro-organisms is strengthened by the supply of vitamin D.

    It' s already well-known in the scientific community that those who have tuberculosis need a supply of vitamin D so that the anti-tuberculosis effects can be more effective.

    Moreover, it' s well-known also that the HIV carriers patients, for instance, or hepatitis C virus carriers too, they both need to be supplemented with strong doses, and not with daily doses internationally "recommended", but, on the contrary, of a physiological amount of 10.000 units a day, so that hepatitis C virus doesn't cause too many damages in the liver, as it
    would be if there was a deficiency of vitamin D.

    The same thing happens for the other examples of HIV and tuberculosis."

    The Science Behind The Coimbra Protocol
     
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