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I found this study several months ago and completely forgot. I think this should put everyone's fears to rest. And refutes Peat's in vitro claims.
"There persists in medical literature the idea that vitamin C, acting as a reducing agent, causes reactions with iron (and other metals) that generate damaging free radicals. These free radicals then go on to produce oxidative damage to cells and molecules, the products of which can be measured in blood tests. The idea goes that vitamin C is a powerful reducing agent which reduces Fe (III) to Fe(II), the reduced iron then participates in the Fenton reaction which produces hydroxyl radicals. A considerable amount of literature can be found that links these ideas together, and the obvious conclusion reached by most of these researchers is a warning not to take vitamin C with metals and not to take vitamin C in iron overloaded conditions (e.g. haemochromatosis).
While these arguments on the surface are alarming and appear convincing, they must of course stack up against clinical observations to be valid. The fact is they don't. The fact is that literally millions of people have taken or been administered very high doses of vitamin C, even considerable numbers of patients with iron overload disorders, and none of these people has ever rusted. None of these patients have ever demonstrated damage to DNA or any other cells or tissues (except cancer cells) by any valid test. If you have any doubt about this, try and find cases in the medical literature.
What emerges from this is that the conclusions drawn by various researchers into the vitamin C/metal connection are largely based on flawed evidence. If a conclusion does not tie in with clinical observations, then there is something wrong.
Without fail, the methods underpinning the vitamin C/Fenton paranoia are in vitro methods, i.e. isolated tissue cultures and blood samples exposed to the air. These methods inevitably produce results that are not necessarily related, if related at all, to in vivo conditions. There is a considerable amount of in vivo research into this vitamin C/Fenton question. Without fail, in vivo research has NEVER been able to demonstrate that vitamin C is dangerous because of Fenton like reactions. Without fail, in vivo research ALWAYS demonstrates a
positive effect of vitamin C on oxidative markers and damage in tissues.
Without fail, unless extreme care is taken, every time vitamin C is added to blood samples (and urine samples) outside the body there are a whole host of oxidative products and markers produced. These are IN VITRO ARTEFACTS.
The real nail in the coffin for the Fenton idea is that almost every living higher organism on earth, plant or animal, makes its own vitamin C. Some animals and
plants make enormous amounts of vitamin C (compared to what a human living in Western culture gets daily). These organisms have been exposed to metals right
throughout evolution and they have not disappeared due to oxidative damage wrought by vitamin C.
There are enough clinical runs on the board for vitamin C to be able to make prescribing decisions based on prior clinical use. Positive clinical outcomes are just that they cannot be undone by unfavourable press releases."
"California Gold Nutrition" has a 1,000 mg capsule and a 500 mg capsule. Which strength would you people recommend/prefer to dose with throughout the day?
Ah, I’ve been waiting my entire life for a death cult. I’m sorry, but your saying I’m better off without any ascorbate ? It helps maintain the integrity of my capillaries, it helps maintain collagen synthesis, it helps synthesize cetacholamines... Telling me it’s bad is like telling a liberal MSNBC isn’t biased.
"Linus Pauling provides a template of how things can be done." [I don't have a caliper]Also sprach Travirhustra.
This link appeared during a class that was aired about a month ago.
If you take care of koi, you will notice that a sick koi will quickly lose the saturation and vibrance of its color. You will know if a koi is well cared for by how its health finds expression in its skin colors. This expression of health is less evident in humans, but you can still see it in a glow in that person.You are what you Eat, 2014 Herb doctors
Q: And this again is that red compound that you've mentioned in the past that is energetic favorable in terms of its...both, electron quenching activity and its anti-inflammatory activity.
RP: As sort of a side-line to my research in graduate school on what causes oxidative metabolism to go down with aging, I would look for all kinds of plants and animals that were colored and do extracts and look for things that simulated oxidative metabolism. And I got the interest partly from Szent-Györgyi's work - he found that the color of cells is closely connected to the oxidative process. For example, the deep maroon or purple color of the liver and certain areas of the brain are deeply pigmented - he knew that it didn't have any of the usual functions of pigment, and he found that it was related to...well, he knew that semiconductors are generally black because of a peculiar electronic arrangement that causes them to absorb all the light that hits them, and he figured that the life process involves semi-conduction, and so pigments are especially relevant to the use of energy in living things.
@Janelle525 while researching completely different topic, found this study, maybe you'll be interested:
Histamine and ascorbic acid: a survey of women in labor at term and significantly before term. - PubMed - NCBI
Likely the best there is, is quali-C. Too expensive for me. I'm still doing the china made.