Vegans And Vegetarians Have A Higher Risk Of Stroke

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A good reminder that vegetables are not as benign, let alone as healthy, as your board-certified, PhD-boasting, marathon-running corporate nutritionist would have you believe. In fact, this is not the first study to seriously question the "eat mostly plants" mantra. Several other very large and well-controlled studies have found that a diet high in vegetables has no benefit in preventing cancer, and in some cases may even increase cancer risk.
Eating Vegetables Doesn't Stop Cancer

The study below now adds some direct evidence for negative effects of a predominantly vegetarian diet. While the findings on increased stroke risk match well the increased (phyto)estrogenic burden from predominantly plant diet, I find it a little hard to believe that the vegan/vegetarian population somehow also had lower risk of CVD. The two conditions are so highly correlated and even causally entangled (eg. CVD=>stroke) that the odd findings of lower CVD risk are likely either a fluke or deliberate manipulation to avoid destroying completely the massive industry that has formed to cater to the plant-eaters. I also don't buy the explanation of low iron intake or vitamin B12 deficiency as causes of the higher stroke risk. Most people actually have much higher than optimal levels of iron in tissues, and iron toxicity is a known risk factor for both ischemic and hemorrhaging strokes. The same is likely true about vitamin B12. Considering the microbiome can synthesize B12 and the fact that most people have either SIBO or some form of colon dysbiosis, B12 deficiencies are very rare. In fact, many people who have tested their B12 often find that their levels are either high or at the very top of the normal range. Elevated B12 levels have been ties to higher risk for some cancers and also strokes.
As a follow up, I would like to see a study on hormonal changes as a result of different diets as that would likely expose just how "benign" estrogen is and how ubiquitous estrogenic molecules are in nature. Given the recent studies that bravely exposed estrogen as a cause of autism I have some hope that such hormonal studies can be happen even if Big Agriculture led by Monsanto spends billions every year to prevent them from seeing the light of day.

Risks of ischaemic heart disease and stroke in meat eaters, fish eaters, and vegetarians over 18 years of follow-up: results from the prospective EPIC-Oxford study
Vegans and vegetarians may have higher stroke risk

"...It analyses data from the EPIC-Oxford study, a major long-term research project looking at diet and health. Half of participants, recruited between 1993 and 2001, were meat-eaters, just over 16,000 vegetarian or vegan, with 7,500 who described themselves as pescatarian (fish-eating). They were asked about their diets, when they joined the study and again in 2010. Medical history, smoking and physical activity were taken into account, Altogether, there were 2,820 cases of coronary heart disease (CHD) and 1,072 cases of stroke - including 300 haemorrhagic strokes, which happen when a weakened blood vessel bursts and bleeds into the brain. The pescatarians were found to have a 13% lower risk of CHD than the meat-eaters, while the vegetarians and vegans had a 22% lower risk. But those on plant-based diets had a 20% higher risk of stroke. The researchers suggested this could be linked to low vitamin B12 levels but said more studies were needed to investigate the connection."
 

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Haidut, I guess you believe that Dr Esselstyn faked his real patient study where he put 118 patients who had heart disease, heart attracts, stents etc on an 80,10,10 vegan diet . Prevent and Reverse Heart Disease: The Revolutionary, Scientifically Proven, Nutrition-Based Cure - Buscar con Google

This is what I found about Dr Esselstyn’s diet:
  • you may not eat anything with a mother or a face (no meat, poultry, or fish)
  • you cannot eat dairy products
  • you must not consume oil of any kind
  • generally you cannot eat nuts or avocados
Peat is also against avocados and nuts and advocates against seed oil consumption, but that is where the similarity ends. Bio-available Vitamin A (as retinol in animal products), B12, certain amino acids, calcium (especially hydroxyapatite in dairy), etc are all at risk of long-term deficiency. It’s difficult to see truth through the self-promotion and commercialism and a conflict of interest.
 

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Haidut, I guess you believe that Dr Esselstyn faked his real patient study where he put 118 patients who had heart disease, heart attracts, stents etc on an 80,10,10 vegan diet . https://www.google.com/search?clien...0ahUKEwiE5NeissvkAhUDEqwKHVIRClkQmxMIhQEoADAR

First, you should link to one of Esselstyn's studies, not just a google search page about his book. What I do know of Esselstyn's work is that it is a multi-pronged approach. From this paper- https://mdedge-files-live.s3.us-eas..._a-strategy-to-arrest-and-reverse-coronar.pdf


Therapeutic Interventions

Participants were asked to adhere to a diet that derived less than 10% of its calories from fat. They were to avoid oils, meat, fish, fowl, and dairy products, except for skim milk and nonfat yogurt. Grains, legumes, lentils, vegetables, and fruit comprised the major portion of the diet, which contained adequate amounts of vitamins, minerals, [protein, and iron.16’17 A list of fat-free recipes taken from cookbooks and other resources that focus on weight loss, nutrition, and lifestyle changes to improve heart health18”26 was provided to each participant. Daily food diaries were kept and reviewed with the physician during biweekly visits. Participants were also encouraged to take a daily multivitamin and were asked, but not required, to moderate their consumption of alcohol and caffeine. There were no prescribed exercise requirements. Each participant also received an individualized prescription for a cholesterol-lowering drug. The most frequent regimen included cholestyramine, 4 g twice daily, and lovastatin, 40 mg to 60 mg daily. Time-release niacin was prescribed for a short while but was discontinued when many patients reported nausea, vomiting, and swollen ankles. Participants also received several hours of instruction in relaxation and meditation techniques through the Cleveland Clinic’s Department of Psychology. However, all participants discontinued these techniques after only a few weeks of sporadic use, so this part of the intervention was abandoned.

To attribute Esselstyn's results strictly to diet would ignore the other parts of his protocol. Maybe all the benefits came from biweekly doctor visits, or from reduction of alcohol, despite the dietary advice.
 

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First, you should link to one of Esselstyn's studies, not just a google search page about his book. What I do know of Esselstyn's work is that it is a multi-pronged approach. From this paper- https://mdedge-files-live.s3.us-eas..._a-strategy-to-arrest-and-reverse-coronar.pdf


Therapeutic Interventions

Participants were asked to adhere to a diet that derived less than 10% of its calories from fat. They were to avoid oils, meat, fish, fowl, and dairy products, except for skim milk and nonfat yogurt. Grains, legumes, lentils, vegetables, and fruit comprised the major portion of the diet, which contained adequate amounts of vitamins, minerals, [protein, and iron.16’17 A list of fat-free recipes taken from cookbooks and other resources that focus on weight loss, nutrition, and lifestyle changes to improve heart health18”26 was provided to each participant. Daily food diaries were kept and reviewed with the physician during biweekly visits. Participants were also encouraged to take a daily multivitamin and were asked, but not required, to moderate their consumption of alcohol and caffeine. There were no prescribed exercise requirements. Each participant also received an individualized prescription for a cholesterol-lowering drug. The most frequent regimen included cholestyramine, 4 g twice daily, and lovastatin, 40 mg to 60 mg daily. Time-release niacin was prescribed for a short while but was discontinued when many patients reported nausea, vomiting, and swollen ankles. Participants also received several hours of instruction in relaxation and meditation techniques through the Cleveland Clinic’s Department of Psychology. However, all participants discontinued these techniques after only a few weeks of sporadic use, so this part of the intervention was abandoned.

To attribute Esselstyn's results strictly to diet would ignore the other parts of his protocol. Maybe all the benefits came from biweekly doctor visits, or from reduction of alcohol, despite the dietary advice.
Thanks very informative. I didn’t read the paper, only the book...my bad. I didn’t know skim milk and non fat yogurt were allowed. If so this was not a vegan diet.
 
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These are the ingredients of very well known brand of vegetarian sausages. I was surprised by the presence of iron oxide on the list

Ingredients

Rehydrated Textured Soya Protein (71%), Water, Rapeseed Oil, Soya Protein Concentrate, Seasoning (Sulphites) (Dextrose, Flavourings, Salt, Onion Powder, Yeast Extract, Colour: Red Iron Oxide), Fortified Wheat Flour (Wheat Flour, Calcium Carbonate, Iron, Niacin, Thiamin), Stabiliser: Methyl Cellulose, Tomato Purée, Salt, Raising Agent: Ammonium Carbonates
 
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