Vaccine Coverup In UK?

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    I don't know, man. There's a line in the article saying aspirin killed millions in 1918... The whole article sounds a bit breathless and hysterical.
     
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    I know, I am not fond of the article so much as I am trying to find out how legitimate its reported facts were in regards to vaccines - i.e. there was official coverup by JCVI of side effects, and manipulation of data to increased perceived effectiveness. The report they quote at the beginning is the second link I attached (PDF). The report itself seems pretty legit - i.e. quotes stuff that came directly form the JCVI as a result of a FOIA request.
    I guess I was interested in hearing of people from UK are aware of this and what is the reaction there to this FOIA-based report. I can tell you nobody in the US that I have talked to has even heard of it.
     
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    First time poster, long time lurker, but this one got my attention...

    After much reading about vaccines (my intro into thinking for myself on matters of health, post kids), I find the original article above way too sensationalist. You don't really need to look much further than PubMed to get enough info to give one pause on the full potential effects of vaccination on the body. As to Dr. Tomljenovic's article, it seems that none of the links to the actual FOIA docs are working. I've never seen them myself. Just sent a quick e-mail to Dr. Tomljenovic (the one at the top of her article, assuming its still current) to see if she can direct us to the actual documents.

    As to the aspirin/1918-flu connection, I find it fascinating to read a lot of the old historical documents on vaccination, among other topics like major infectious disease epidemics and general health trends, and I actually consider it quite plausible that aspirin contributed to overall mortality given the massive doses being recommended at the time (keep in mind, minus the K2 or glycine). Read the actual article by Dr. Starko (article), its quite interesting, there's plenty of corroborating evidence. Just seems like no one really wants to follow up on it. Perhaps keeping the impression that flu itself is a "major killer with epidemic potential" is more important (for flu shot sales at least) - not to mention that any admission to an aspirin link would make the 1918 flu epidemic among the major iatrogenic disasters of our time. Anyhow, some fascinating history there - worthy of a little digging.

    On a personal note, this flu-aspirin link is what actually made me hesitate when I first read of Peat's endorsement of aspirin. I've since gotten over that and I now take some (325 mg) almost daily along with a little K2. No pulmonary edema yet...

    Just my 2 cents.
     
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    [ref]Salty[/ref], :welcome

    Good to see you out of lurk mode. :D

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    Ha ha... thanks. I can't tell you how much I've learned on this forum. But, yes, its kind of nice to actually say something and not just lurk... :ninja
     
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    Thanks, salty! That's very interesting.

    Haidut, we've done every vaccination we've had to (otherwise my son won't be admitted to any of our local schools, apparently - maybe its a London thing) and haven't seen anything in the press about that story.
     
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    OK, thanks. Let's see if Tomljenovic will respond to Salty's request for official documentation. I was also not able to find the official documents she references but links go dead pretty often, so maybe she keeps a copy for her archives.
     
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    Success. Tomljenovic replied promptly and graciously and offered up all the documents she references in her paper. I asked and was given permission to use her exact words and to post anything she gave me publicly.

    Her response:
    The actual data files are in a 53 MB zip file. Is it appropriate to post here or is there a better method for sharing? Want to make sure I follow "protocol," as a newbie poster on this forum.
     
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    Excellent! I wonder how much interesting data is in these documents...
    As far as uploading I think Charlie (admin) may be able to best answer but it would be nice to have this information on the forum somewhere. Vaccines are a topic that frequently comes up here and I am sure many people with children would be interested in reading about it.
     
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    Was having trouble with the upload. Thanks, Charlie, for raising the max upload limit. But it's still not accepting the file. Possibly because its a .zip file? Looks like I can attach individual PDFs. I'm adding one to this post as a test.

    There are about 70 PDFs in the zip file. I haven't had a chance to read through it all, but yes, I'm sure there's some interesting info here. I believe its always important to go to the source documents for full and proper context rather than relying solely on the interpretations of others.

    From a brief scan I don't see much that's really dramatic or evidence of an overt cover-up per se, but just more of what I would call the "authoritarian protocol" behind vaccination policy everywhere. Basically: signals pop up regularly that in some kids vaccines have serious unexpected adverse effects, but since its "biologically implausible" that vaccines could even do that (an a priori assumption), its unwise to study it much further because that validates the concern, and that would be damaging to the vaccination program since the general public is not smart enough to understand that. Just my take from a great deal of reading on this topic.

    But still, I will withhold judgement until I have read through it all.

    Haidut, thanks for bringing this up. I agree vaccination is a very important topic and I do have small kids so its highly relevant to me. Though its equally relevant for all adults.
     

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    I'll post the individual PDFs as they were sorted in original folders in the zip file:

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    Folder: (docs in root folder)
     

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    Folder: JCVI Minutes (1974-1985)
     
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    Folder: JCVI Minutes (1986-1989)
     

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    Folder: JCVI Minutes (1986-1989) - more
     

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    Folder: JCVI Minutes (1986-1989) - more
     

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    Folder: JCVI Minutes (1986-1989) - more (it refused to add this 3 MB file with the others above)
     

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    Folder: JCVI Minutes (1990-1999)
     

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    Folder: JCVI Meeting (2000-2003)
     

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