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And non-of your straight acquantances do? Would your Gay friends agree?All the gay people I have met clearly have psychological issues, and I live in a very gay part of the northeast.
There is some kind of weird obsession with homosexuality on this board... Specifically with trying to show that it's unnatural or abnormal. What gives? I'm not sure what this sort of study is supposed to accomplish? Would you post something that shows that Jewish people are more likely to be autistic or that African Americans are more likely to be born with autoimmune conditions because their mothers smoked crack? No. You wouldn't. Perhaps posts that are "showing" that homosexuality is a choice or that homosexual people are the product of sickness (the study that was posted that hypothyroid women tend to have gay kids) aren't doing the gays any good. Idiots in the world don't need more reasons outside of Jesus to hate the gays. My god.
I'm not convinced that homosexuality has much to do with genetics (how would a propensity to NOT procreate survive natural selection?), but prenatal hormones probably have something to do with it.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3296090/
@haidut I'm gay myself, but I'm pretty sure homosexuality is not considered genetic or inherited by and scientist that does research in it. The theory is, at least the last research I've read about this, is that it is thought to be about a lack of testosterone in the mothers womb. I mean in the male case, which is much more researched.
So this is an environmental factor very early in life, but that environmental factors after birth would play any role, I really doubt that.
Do you think, that being gay could be "cured", in that sense? Research shows that, part of the male gay brain ( in gay male sheep, I believe), is structurally the same as a straight female brain. I doubt that environmental factors can change this structure after birth.
Completely agree. While there exist developmental phases in humans, there's also a large degree of wiggle room, especially in young adulthood.Evidence is good, that it can be "cured" in some cases. At least if you consider cured living a heterosexual life for the rest of your life. The brain is remarkably plastic. Especially in areas of sexuality. People acquire all sorts of sexual tendencies through their adult life given the fact that sexual reward circuits fire more intensely than any other. Other than maybe certain drugs.
@haidut I'm gay myself, but I'm pretty sure homosexuality is not considered genetic or inherited by and scientist that does research in it. The theory is, at least the last research I've read about this, is that it is thought to be about a lack of testosterone in the mothers womb. I mean in the male case, which is much more researched.
So this is an environmental factor very early in life, but that environmental factors after birth would play any role, I really doubt that.
Do you think, that being gay could be "cured", in that sense? Research shows that, part of the male gay brain ( in gay male sheep, I believe), is structurally the same as a straight female brain. I doubt that environmental factors can change this structure after birth.
Evidence is good, that it can be "cured" in some cases. At least if you consider cured living a heterosexual life for the rest of your life. The brain is remarkably plastic. Especially in areas of sexuality. People acquire all sorts of sexual tendencies through their adult life given the fact that sexual reward circuits fire more intensely than any other. Other than maybe certain drugs.
Completely agree. While there exist developmental phases in humans, there's also a large degree of wiggle room, especially in young adulthood.
If gayness is genetic or epigenetic, when human beings are able to make changes to progenitors at a genetic or epigenetic level, we'd need to face few moral questions. For example, do we eradicate gayness in future sons and daughters, to have them avoid social persecution?
IMHO, general observations favor the view that a sexual orientation is genetic. For reproduction, each human being must recognize the reproductive organs, which in turn requires that each human being has a stored, inborn "image" of sexual organs. How would a male know to insert a penis into a vagina if the male could not recognize the vagina? This kind of consideration, of course, can also be extended to the behavioral domain, about gayness.
Assuming that such pieces of inborn sexual knowledge become expressed in clusters of cells (i.e., neurons), it is easy to see what would happen if some of these neuronal pathways are "cross-wired." For example, what would happen if a man's access to an internal image of a vagina is somehow switched with that of a penis ... or that one's behavioral program is switched?
In a given population, I suspect that we see various types of such cross-wirings. For example, in one type of cross-wiring, an individual believes that she/he is born of the "wrong" sex and seeks a transgender operation. In another type of cross wiring, we see individuals that want to maintain their sexual identity, but mate with the member of their own gender ... These considerations lead to the idea that there are different groups of cells that correspond to different aspect of sexual behavior, and the different behavioral patterns we see are different permutations of the wirings among these groups of cells.
Plastic indeed. I offer a good example.
A young man learned to only enjoy copulation with a fruit loop box. He's a grown man now and can NOT have regular intercourse with a woman or man. It is a true story that I learned from a fascinating psychiatrist who specialized in treating sexual dysfunctions.
Story goes that as a young boy, while sitting at the breakfast table his mom asked if he could get up to fetch more milk for everyone. He would have been happy to except that his penis was a bit engorged at that moment. He was wracked with anxiety but hid himself behind his cereal box of fruit loops (irony). It eased his anxiety around a sexually stimulating event. From then on, Fruit Loop boxes were his thing. I think he said the man was in his 40's now and has tried everything to become "normal". His brain wired comfort/anti-anxiety = sex + cereal box at a very early and impressionable age.
I have, to this day, never looked at a Fruit Loop Box of cereal the same since...
Right!? We just could not make this stuff up... He has a laundry list of "how people develop crazy sexual fettishes" stories. I think my husband and I had nightmares for a week.Hhm, I wonder if American Pie got its idea for that scene from that story:) Maybe even its name...
Welcome to Ray Peat Erotica! Your only choice for food-based kinky stories.Story goes that as a young boy, while sitting at the breakfast table his mom asked if he could get up to fetch more milk for everyone. He would have been happy to except that his penis was a bit engorged at that moment. He was wracked with anxiety but hid himself behind his cereal box of fruit loops (irony). It eased his anxiety around a sexually stimulating event. From then on, Fruit Loop boxes were his thing. I think he said the man was in his 40's now and has tried everything to become "normal". His brain wired comfort/anti-anxiety = sex + cereal box at a very early and impressionable age.
I have, to this day, never looked at a Fruit Loop Box of cereal the same since...