Ukraine Crisis

LeeLemonoil

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This purely hypothetical as long as no invasion takes place. But if it would, all reasons I can think of are scary.

Possible causes:

1.
Putin and Russia’s Leadership clearly are aware that an invasion would be endlessly costly for their state and their personal power.
Politically and economically Russia will become a pariah state indefinitely. More than the west already treats it.

So despite being seemingly prohibitively costly, NOT invading must seem even more costly for Putin and his faction.
Or, other way round, invading and occupying parts of Ukraine is strategically and politically better than not.

What could feasibly the reason for that?
Only that some circles within the US, west, nato, intelligence really threaten Russia behind the curtains more than we might wish to imagine.
The devilish globalist elites might threaten Putin et al im ways we never know. He might see no other way of defending than using Russia’s military might.

2.
Putin et al. are already and for a long time in league with said globalist elites and this is all a sharade to establish an ever deepening world crisis. A war in Ukraine would mean endless propaganda, military and intelligence empowerment, rising energy costs, inflation, migration - the entire sheebang - just more of it.
No coincidence then it happens now.

3.
Sort of a best case scenario:
Putin really is a beleaguered and anachronistic authoritarian that dreams of old sowjet or czarists glory and a cultural Empire.
The West really only is in defense here.


Any other conspiracy theories to add?
 

Mauritio

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This purely hypothetical as long as no invasion takes place. But if it would, all reasons I can think of are scary.

Possible causes:

1.
Putin and Russia’s Leadership clearly are aware that an invasion would be endlessly costly for their state and their personal power.
Politically and economically Russia will become a pariah state indefinitely. More than the west already treats it.

So despite being seemingly prohibitively costly, NOT invading must seem even more costly for Putin and his faction.
Or, other way round, invading and occupying parts of Ukraine is strategically and politically better than not.

What could feasibly the reason for that?
Only that some circles within the US, west, nato, intelligence really threaten Russia behind the curtains more than we might wish to imagine.
The devilish globalist elites might threaten Putin et al im ways we never know. He might see no other way of defending than using Russia’s military might.

2.
Putin et al. are already and for a long time in league with said globalist elites and this is all a sharade to establish an ever deepening world crisis. A war in Ukraine would mean endless propaganda, military and intelligence empowerment, rising energy costs, inflation, migration - the entire sheebang - just more of it.
No coincidence then it happens now.

3.
Sort of a best case scenario:
Putin really is a beleaguered and anachronistic authoritarian that dreams of old sowjet or czarists glory and a cultural Empire.
The West really only is in defense here.


Any other conspiracy theories to add?
Number 2 I'd say.

Number 3 is unlikely since he's in charge for so long . By now the powers that be would have found a way to get rid of him , if they wanted.
 

Perry Staltic

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NATO wants war, Russia doesn't. Russia has no desire/reason to invade Ukraine, except to stop NATO expansion there.
 
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LeeLemonoil

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NATO wants war, Russia doesn't. Russia has no desire/reason to invade Ukraine, except to stop NATO expansion there.

That’s scenario 1.
It’s clear that NATO military in the Ukraine would make Russia conventionally undefendable.

But most westerners don’t believe NATO would ever be the proactive aggressor / would attack Russia.

Russia’s leaders in that scenario must have come to the conclusion that they would.

I think a key point here is that many westeners and specifically Europeans are delusional and don’t believe anymore that war is just another form of politics.

Putin, if scenario 1 is real, must have come to the conclusion that Russia’s position is so weak and so prone to political blackmailing and pressure as soon as Ukraine is strategically lost so that he needs to conquer and secure that front preemptively.

If so, that really lets me shudder as to what goes on behind the curtains of geopolitical power struggles
 

Perry Staltic

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It’s clear that NATO military in the Ukraine would make Russia conventionally undefendable.

But most westerners don’t believe NATO would ever be the proactive aggressor / would attack Russia.

Russia’s leaders in that scenario must have come to the conclusion that they would.

Russia has no reason to trust anything NATO says. NATO already broke their promise to not expand into former soviet states.
 
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LeeLemonoil

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Russia has no reason to trust anything NATO says. NATO already broke their promise to not expand into former soviet states.
That seems the case, yes.

But here is the deal: if it was only about the west, NATO and EU trying to incorporate the entire Ukraine into their realm …. That’s of course nothing that is in the interest of Russia.
But if it’s „only“ about that then the price of invasion is still a lot higher than just accepting the loss of the Ukraine.

This means: russia must assume that the west / NATO / eu is not stopping at Ukraine - but that it really and actually desires to some way dominate and capture Russia. However they deem that feasible.

That’s what I mean with scenario 1. Behind the curtains the ***t must really have hit the fan so much that Putin is now positive that the west plans and is read to enact some sort of regime change or coup or attack of some sorts against Russia.

That would be another proof of the existence of an absolute reckless and evil western circle of elites that operate in the shadows and disguise
 

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This means: russia must assume that the west / NATO / eu is not stopping at Ukraine - but that it really and actually desires to some way dominate and capture Russia. However they deem that feasible.

They want to get intermediate and short range nukes closer, particularly to the Urals
 
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Russia has no reason to trust anything NATO says. NATO already broke their promise to not expand into former soviet states.
Perry, not only are we often on the same wavelength nutritionally but also politically...welcome brother.....
 
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First Covid, now Ukraine....the evil empire won't quit...greed rules...but I see hope...the empire is crumbling...I pray not too many more lives will be sacrificed...and I also pray for accountability...this lawlessness must stop...I am talking nice...
 

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I listen to Putin because he actually speaks like a normal person not like an idiot.

He says that NATO keep pushing further east, it’s historical tension.

It appears that NATO is on the offensive and Russia on the defensive despite the western media stating the opposite.

The Media keep saying IF Russia invades, it’s all threats and fear mongering.

Russia’s borders are vulnerable and would be hard work to defend them due to the size with NATO to the west and China to the east.
 
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"I listen to Putin because he actually speaks like a normal person not like an idiot.

He says that NATO keep pushing further east, it’s historical tension.

It appears that NATO is on the offensive and Russia on the defensive despite the western media stating the opposite.

The Media keep saying IF Russia invades, it’s all threats and fear mongering."


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West attacks DPR and LPR
Putin wants to cleanse Donetzk region
Ukrainians themselves do not want a war
Russians themselves neither

And meanwhile in Putin's Russia

And West wants to block trade with Russia?
 
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Meanwhile in Putin's Russia

Elderly starved on purpose

2 tonns of apples destroyed, reason is "to save you". People starving

Raiding trash (from supermarkets?)
 
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Meanwhile in Ukraine:
explosion of gas pipeling near lugansk

Gas pipeline for Lugansk purposefully destroyed

Donetzk without people because they fled after West-Ukraine announced offensive

Them being escorted to the Russian checkpoints

But you can not leave Russia from the checkpoints


East Ukraine being cleared, free for the taking for the West?
Some Ukrainian wanna chime in?
 
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