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Discussion in 'Ebola' started by charlie, Sep 30, 2014.

  1. LucyL

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    The advantage to chlorhexidine gluconate (hibiclens is the popular brand name you can buy at walgreens etc.) is that if left on the skin it will act as a coating and continue to kill stuff for up to 6 hours. If you use soap or alcohol hand sanitizers they will counteract the chlorhexidine and you would then have to reapply. I don't know if a chlorhexidine based mouthwash would have some other agent that would inactivate the long term protective effect. For example you can buy hand wipes that are a combination of chlorhexidine and alcohol, which will kill just about everything, but don't provide the long-term effect.

    The thing about ebola is you really don't want it on your skin. By the time you kill it after-the-fact, with a wipe or something, it may be too late.

    This page has some good information about how it functions - http://chlorhexidinefacts.com/mechanism-of-action.html
     
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    I was speculating based on the sloppy handling of the situation here in the U.S.(and the incubation period). I hope it will be different in Europe but I suppose only time will tell.
     
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    The nurse who was treating the Ebola carrier, turned up to hospital running a fever, and they sent her home with paracetamol, to be with her husband and dog for a few days. Then they tested her a few days later and found she had it, after she'd come in close contact with a bunch of people inside and outside the hospital. So... not handled much better ;)
     
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    Actually it was 6 days after she first reported mild fever. Then this:

    " She was then transported in an ambulance by paramedics not dressed in protective clothing to the emergency department of the Alcorcón hospital.

    Once there, after reportedly waiting some time in a busy waiting room, she informed medics that she feared she may have contracted the Ebola virus.

    "The nurses who dealt with me were wearing normal clothes without any protection when they took me to hospital," Mrs Romero told El País.

    Hospital staff at Alcorcón have complained that the patient was left in an improvised isolation area marked off by a curtained screen and security tape.

    Finally, six hours after tests confirmed she was infected with Ebola, she was transferred in a specialist ambulance to the isolation unit set up at Carlos III hospital where the missionaries had been treated.

    Some of the 84 people now under observation by Madrid health authorities are those she had contact with at her local hospital, others are family and friends with whom she had close contact with while feeling unwell, and the remainder those who also treated the repatriated missionaries. "
     
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    Sounds like that situation wasn't handled any better than the one in the U.S.
     
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    Dedicated Ebola Hospitals Sought After Nurse’s Infection

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-10-1 ... ction.html
     
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    Found this on Amazon and just like the pet aspirin that is better than human aspirin, here is pet chlorohexidine gluconate 2% that's better than hibiclense:
    http://www.amazon.com/Chlorhexidine-2%2 ... +gluconate
    I assume this is an acceptable hand wash but are you saying it could be left on the skin? Or does it stay on the skin after rinsing. Most everything says to rinse thoroughly after application.
     
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    By better I mean a lot less expensive and without some of the extra additives
     
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    I'm touched by your thoughtfulness. :grouphug
    I must say I feel better informed on how to protect myself with all the valuable information I received from the forum. I'm sure I could have researched all this and figured it out but it has been so nice to have others freely offer up such helpful and potentially life saving information. I truly hope I never have to use it but it's always best to be prepared. I can't thank everyone enough.
     
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    I sure hope it stays that way! :D
     
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    I just read that we are at 4447 now. And the WHO said they expect 10,000 cases a week soon, with a 70% kill rate..... :?
     
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    Article goes into some detail about how the ebola virus progresses in a patient and also about viral loads and such.

    Questions Rise on Preparations at Hospitals to Deal With Ebola

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/14/us/qu ... -ipad&_r=0
     
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    I really think the idea of designated hospitals is for more than just to protect healthcare workers. By phrasing it that way it gives the unspoken impression that it is really only healthcare workers at risk. It will be a form of quarantine which I think is highly appropriate but just as much to protect other patients as medical staff. Most ICU's are run with minimal staff to increase profits/save money. This is no disease where corners can be cut. If a worker has 10 people on ventilator life support that staff member can only be taking care of one person at any given time. The common way hospital acquired infections occur is from healthcare workers not either having time or taking the time to observe basic hand hygiene between patients. In an ICU where seconds count the choice often comes down to washing your hands for the proper length of time or saving someone's life because the ventilator has become disconnected or something similar. Our system is currently set up for breaches in infection control but now instead of spreading c-diff, mrsa ect. it could be Ebola which is much more deadly. I'm all for these decision makers taking this very seriously and hope they do so quickly.
     
  15. gummybear

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    http://www.businessweek.com/news/2014-1 ... ses-a-week

    Not really that alarming but still not so good.

    The number of Ebola cases in three West African nations may jump to between 5,000 and 10,000 a week by Dec.
     
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    WHO: Ebola 'out of control' in West Africa
    Admits some patients take longer than 21 days to show symptoms


    http://www.wnd.com/2014/10/who-ebola-ou ... st-africa/
     
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    Ebola research: Fever not a surefire sign of infection

    http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-101 ... tml#page=1
     
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    :shock:

    Nurses at Texas hospital: ‘There were no protocols’ about Ebola

    http://fox8.com/2014/10/14/nurses-at-te ... out-ebola/
     
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    Ridiculous, but not surprising.
     
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