Trying GHB this weekend in hopes of curing my erectile dysfunction

[baudoman]

I have erectile dysfunction. It's embarrassing to say but I'd like to talk about it. It's not something i developed, it's something i've always had. I'm 25, got no real health issues, fit, etc. I get perfectly fine morning wood. I only get fully erect when I'm extremely aroused near the end but at that point i'll just orgasm. I have had sex with 1 girl in my life, we had a relationship. I would always use viagra (without her knowing). This worked 50% of the time. Without it, not a chance. I don't like viagra because it's non-peaty and has a bunch of nasty side effects.

Unfortunately i have been watching porn ever since I hit puberty. This quickly degraded into some cringy fetishes that no girls are into. This has obviously contributed to my issue but i don't think it's the whole story. I have quit watching porn a while ago but even while masturbating as a kid I often just had a semi. I think it's a combination of arousal/anxiety/physical issues. It's like my penis has an extremely high arousal threshold before it gets erect. It makes me feel completely inadequate as a man, I avoid sex, and I want to do everything I can to solve the problem

Anyway, onto the point of my story. I have heard amazing things about GHB (google it if you don't know). It is supposed to make your libido skyrocket while delaying your orgasm. It sounds exactly like what I need. It is dangerous in that you easily overdose and of course if you use it too often you get addicted. If you're careful however, it should be no problem. Governments are doing everything they can to ban this stuff. I managed to obtain it. Next weekend I have a couple potential hookups where I'm gonna be trying it out (on myself of course, I'm not drugging anyone).

It may sound like a crazy idea, but I don’t think it’s that crazy. If it works I may get my confidence back because I know I always have a backup plan. Peat has even spoken positively about MDMA for similar reasons (getting rid of learned helplessness). Also, peat has specifically, though scarcely, said some positive things about GHB.

The reason I'm sharing it is because i feel like this could be the journey of my lifetime which may completely change my life. At the same time i'm cautiously optimistic. I think this forum is openminded and who knows someone else will benefit from my experience. Perhaps someone even has some experience which I would love to hear about. I will keep this thread updated.

Hey @Gadsie ..
Stumbled upon this fairly recent article, recommending Niacin supplementation:

Erectile Dysfunction and Niacin

 

[tca300]

This is my personal experience, take from it what you will.

I've been peeping porn or nudy pics nearly everyday for ~16 years ( with a few month exception I'll mention below ). Before I was married I masturbated practically everyday, sometimes more than once per day. ED has happened to me under the following circumstances. When I was experimenting with a vegan diet, chronically fasting, ( 16:8 or sometimes 20:4 most days ) and not eating enough over a long period in an attempt to stay super lean or lose a few lbs. Forcing a bodyfat percentage that might be too low for optimal stress resistance and endocrine fuction can be a factor. I've noticed eating things that irritate my gut, cause bacteria overgrowth or are allergenic can lower my erection quality ( EQ ) a bit as well. When I'm eating well and avoiding bacteria overgrowth/gut irritants/allergens my EQ is like steel and it stays that way for several minutes even after ejaculation. I experimented with zero masterbating/sexy lady porn peepin for serveral months a few years ago, to test the benefits many were claiming to receive from this, and I personally found it to be a very frustrating period with little to no gain in anything ( workout sessions might of improved a bit but nothing serious ). Choosing to not satisfy my sex drive via sex or masterbating was mentally harmful. I wont ever do it again. Porn might be harmful to certain people, I've not noticed any issues myself though. Also if you deprive yourself of orgasims for very long periods, then go get with a woman, you will likely not be able to last very long making the experience not as good for her.

I hope you can figure your situation out without potentially dangerous substances.

Best wishes
The Milk man

 

[ironfist]

Like, I'm gonna agree with @tca300 pal above.

I did no fap for like six or nine months. I can't remember. It was a pretty weird time in my life. I never had an addition to porn, I was like maybe a 3-4 times a week masturbator anyway.

While doing nofap, I noticed the following weird ***t:

1) your **** wants to cum. You'll randomly feel cum passing through your taint. It's really ******* weird.
2) my interest in sex vanished

Some say they get super horny. I didn't.

3) cum starts to exit when you piss. You'll get some clumpy ***t at the end of your urination moments.
4) my piss started to get really weird. I mean like, it was milky and cloudy and just didn't even look like normal piss basically

The body wants to cum. There's no way long term abstinence is good.

When I finally masturbated again, it was like 30 seconds lol.

During this time I was vegetarian and probably chronically dehydrated and not eating enough.

I made the decision to masturbate because I thought NOT doing so was bad.

The argument can be made that the lack of wanting sex makes you more productive if you're not thinking about sex constantly. I dunno. I wasn't that productive and was in a pretty ***t period in my life anyway so maybe?

I think my selection to do nofap was more based around the fact that I was mad with things and didn't even want to wack anyway. I would notice, oh, it's been 7 days and I haven't even masturbated. That's weird. Then sometimes, I reduced drive, and would masturbate as my body needed to, not because I got horny. It's really weird.

Since restarting, stuff seems more back to normal. I mean, I get horny again and feel like jerking off.

Occasionally I'll get bored while masturbating. Do I even want to finish? I'm not really feeling it tbh. THIS ISN'T A PORN THING THIS HAS HAPPENED WHILE AVOIDING PORN. You hit that point where you're like... uh... it's more effort to finish than to keep going. You know like you start to lose wood and you aren't even in the mood anymore so the effort to actually get hard again really seems tedious -- like that.

The nofap crew on the internet is so ******* fierce. Like it resolves all your problems. I think the vast majority of guys are not addicted to porn. Or maybe I'm just not horny. Even in my youth, I'd jerk off twice a day sometimes, but usually a few times a week. If it's having you not do other things, then yeah, it's a problem. There have been points in my life where I didn't jerk off for a long time cuz I had a gf and got regular sex. I've heard about guys jerking off 5-6 times a day every day. Seriously?

 

[Gadsie]

Hey @Gadsie ..
Stumbled upon this fairly recent article, recommending Niacin supplementation:

Erectile Dysfunction and Niacin

Thank you

 

[Gadsie]

This is my personal experience, take from it what you will.

I've been peeping porn or nudy pics nearly everyday for ~16 years ( with a few month exception I'll mention below ). Before I was married I masturbated practically everyday, sometimes more than once per day. ED has happened to me under the following circumstances. When I was experimenting with a vegan diet, chronically fasting, ( 16:8 or sometimes 20:4 most days ) and not eating enough over a long period in an attempt to stay super lean or lose a few lbs. Forcing a bodyfat percentage that might be too low for optimal stress resistance and endocrine fuction can be a factor. I've noticed eating things that irritate my gut, cause bacteria overgrowth or are allergenic can lower my erection quality ( EQ ) a bit as well. When I'm eating well and avoiding bacteria overgrowth/gut irritants/allergens my EQ is like steel and it stays that way for several minutes even after ejaculation. I experimented with zero masterbating/sexy lady porn peepin for serveral months a few years ago, to test the benefits many were claiming to receive from this, and I personally found it to be a very frustrating period with little to no gain in anything ( workout sessions might of improved a bit but nothing serious ). Choosing to not satisfy my sex drive via sex or masterbating was mentally harmful. I wont ever do it again. Porn might be harmful to certain people, I've not noticed any issues myself though. Also if you deprive yourself of orgasims for very long periods, then go get with a woman, you will likely not be able to last very long making the experience not as good for her.

I hope you can figure your situation out without potentially dangerous substances.

Best wishes
The Milk man

Thanks tca for your input. I’ve always appreciated your posts. Is your current diet mostly milk?

I recognize the abstinence—> premature ejaculation thing. I’ve experienced it too when abstaining.

 

[Gadsie]

Like, I'm gonna agree with @tca300 pal above.

I did no fap for like six or nine months. I can't remember. It was a pretty weird time in my life. I never had an addition to porn, I was like maybe a 3-4 times a week masturbator anyway.

While doing nofap, I noticed the following weird ***t:

1) your **** wants to cum. You'll randomly feel cum passing through your taint. It's really ******* weird.
2) my interest in sex vanished

Some say they get super horny. I didn't.

3) cum starts to exit when you piss. You'll get some clumpy ***t at the end of your urination moments.
4) my piss started to get really weird. I mean like, it was milky and cloudy and just didn't even look like normal piss basically

The body wants to cum. There's no way long term abstinence is good.

When I finally masturbated again, it was like 30 seconds lol.

During this time I was vegetarian and probably chronically dehydrated and not eating enough.

I made the decision to masturbate because I thought NOT doing so was bad.

The argument can be made that the lack of wanting sex makes you more productive if you're not thinking about sex constantly. I dunno. I wasn't that productive and was in a pretty ***t period in my life anyway so maybe?

I think my selection to do nofap was more based around the fact that I was mad with things and didn't even want to wack anyway. I would notice, oh, it's been 7 days and I haven't even masturbated. That's weird. Then sometimes, I reduced drive, and would masturbate as my body needed to, not because I got horny. It's really weird.

Since restarting, stuff seems more back to normal. I mean, I get horny again and feel like jerking off.

Occasionally I'll get bored while masturbating. Do I even want to finish? I'm not really feeling it tbh. THIS ISN'T A PORN THING THIS HAS HAPPENED WHILE AVOIDING PORN. You hit that point where you're like... uh... it's more effort to finish than to keep going. You know like you start to lose wood and you aren't even in the mood anymore so the effort to actually get hard again really seems tedious -- like that.

The nofap crew on the internet is so ******* fierce. Like it resolves all your problems. I think the vast majority of guys are not addicted to porn. Or maybe I'm just not horny. Even in my youth, I'd jerk off twice a day sometimes, but usually a few times a week. If it's having you not do other things, then yeah, it's a problem. There have been points in my life where I didn't jerk off for a long time cuz I had a gf and got regular sex. I've heard about guys jerking off 5-6 times a day every day. Seriously?

Thank you. The porn/masturbation thing remains complicated. Perhaps a natural thing is to masturbate while fantasing, i dont know.

 

[tca300]

@Gadsie Yes my diet is mostly milk but I dont think anyone else needs to do that to be healthy. Do you have any signs of low DHT and or Testosterone? If I remember correctly, testosterone is responsible for trapping blood in the peen. Also noticed currently, and other periods of higher testosterone my flaccid hang is much more significant. When my testosterone was low ( verified via blood work ) I had a horrible time maintaining and even getting a good quality erection.

 

[swarrior]

I studied neuroscience for several years (a phd, which I never finished).
It's not the substance, it's the mental configuration you've made around sex. GHB, will give you a number of physiological effects clearly, but what it will really do is "relax you mentally", you will be putting the onus on the substance and not yourself.
Which means that in order to feel comfortable, you will always want to turn to the substance.
You have to reconfigure how your brain thinks about sex, the best thing to do here would be to see a psychologist.


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[Gadsie]

@Gadsie Yes my diet is mostly milk but I dont think anyone else needs to do that to be healthy. Do you have any signs of low DHT and or Testosterone? If I remember correctly, testosterone is responsible for trapping blood in the peen. Also noticed currently, and other periods of higher testosterone my flaccid hang is much more significant. When my testosterone was low ( verified via blood work ) I had a horrible time maintaining and even getting a good quality erection.

I’m gonna have the levels checked, thanks.

 

[Gadsie]

I studied neuroscience for several years (a phd, which I never finished).
It's not the substance, it's the mental configuration you've made around sex. GHB, will give you a number of physiological effects clearly, but what it will really do is "relax you mentally", you will be putting the onus on the substance and not yourself.
Which means that in order to feel comfortable, you will always want to turn to the substance.
You have to reconfigure how your brain thinks about sex, the best thing to do here would be to see a psychologist.


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Well I wouldn’t mind requiring a substance if it actually allowed me to have proper sex. It’s a world of difference compared to not having sex, mentally. Of course it’s not suitable for a relationship but I’d be more than satisfied with having an occasional one night stand. My main concern is potential neurotoxicity. There are not a whole lot of studies on it, actually only 1.

 

[golder]

Well I wouldn’t mind requiring a substance if it actually allowed me to have proper sex. It’s a world of difference compared to not having sex, mentally. Of course it’s not suitable for a relationship but I’d be more than satisfied with having an occasional one night stand. My main concern is potential neurotoxicity. There are not a whole lot of studies on it, actually only 1.

Can you link the study? Thanks!

 

[Gadsie]

Can you link the study? Thanks!

Neurotoxic effects induced by gammahydroxybutyric acid (GHB) in male rats - PubMed

Gammahydroxybutyric acid (GHB) is an endogenous constituent of the central nervous system that has acquired great social relevance for its use as a recreational 'club drug'. GHB, popularly known as 'liquid ecstasy', is addictive when used continuously. Although the symptoms associated with acute...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[golder]

Neurotoxic effects induced by gammahydroxybutyric acid (GHB) in male rats - PubMed

Gammahydroxybutyric acid (GHB) is an endogenous constituent of the central nervous system that has acquired great social relevance for its use as a recreational 'club drug'. GHB, popularly known as 'liquid ecstasy', is addictive when used continuously. Although the symptoms associated with acute...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Thanks. Does this claim not worry you/anyone?:
‘’The results show for the first time that the repeated administration of GHB, especially at very low doses, produces neurotoxic effects.’’

 

[Gadsie]

Thanks. Does this claim not worry you/anyone?:
‘’The results show for the first time that the repeated administration of GHB, especially at very low doses, produces neurotoxic effects.’’

Yes it does, it’s the reason im hesitant. There are a lot of critiques for this study though. It’s strange that low dose is neurotoxic whereas high dose isn’t. Also there is supposedly a 60% neuron loss over a period of 15 days. If this were true for humans it would mean that people who have used it for years wouldn’t have anything left, which is not the case

 

[ThinPicking]

Yes it does, it’s the reason im hesitant. There are a lot of critiques for this study though. It’s strange that low dose is neurotoxic whereas high dose isn’t. Also there is supposedly a 60% neuron loss over a period of 15 days. If this were true for humans it would mean that people who have used it for years wouldn’t have anything left, which is not the case

It makes sense, pharmacological effects are biphasic/concentration dependant.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1471-4159.1991.tb02012.x

A specific gamma-hydroxybutyrate receptor ligand possesses both antagonistic and anticonvulsant properties - PubMed

Administration of gamma-hydroxybutyrate (GHB) to animals induces electroencephalographic and behavioral changes that resemble petit-mal seizures. Furthermore, these GHB-induced electroencephalogram-behavioral changes can be blocked by anticonvulsant drugs, which are specific in their action...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Also worth noting it's serotonin/tryptophan effects. Suggests to me cypro on the downside might be protective.

Gamma-hydroxybutyrate increases tryptophan availability and potentiates serotonin turnover in rat brain - PubMed

Gamma-hydroxybutyrate (GHB) is both a therapeutic agent and a recreative drug. It has sedative, anxiolytic and euphoric effects. These effects are believed to be due to GHB-induced potentiation of cerebral GABAergic and dopaminergic activities, but the serotonergic system might also be involved...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Note: I've never used GHB, have no intention of doing so and I'm not here to endorse the context of your experiment. I'm just interested in drug pharmacology. @LLight gave you some great advice on the first page, keep that in mind.

 

[joaquin]

GHB is dangerous. Don't try it.

 

[golder]

GHB is dangerous. Don't try it.

Why do you think Ray spoke of it in a somewhat favourable light on a couple of occasions? I imagine it’s not something that he looks closely at, but probably just some about it hypothetically..?

 

[joaquin]

Why do you think Ray spoke of it in a somewhat favourable light on a couple of occasions? I imagine it’s not something that he looks closely at, but probably just some about it hypothetically..?

I have not looked at his writings on it.

There are many dangerous things that we can find that can be purported to have beneficial effects. When I was younger I tinkered with a few. The lesson I learned and hope to pass on is just to walk away. There is seldom a situation where one needs to try something that has such harmful potential.

 

[dukesbobby777]

Thanks man, were you ever addicted?
My rule is to not take more than twice a month. My worst fear is building a tolerance so that it doesn’t work anymore.

There is this phenomenon where morphine js addictive for a normal person, but when used to treat pain, it isn’t. Perhaps it’s the same with GHB, where I’m using it purely to cure ED, and it’s not as addictive

Yes, I have taken (abused) GBL (a precursor to GHB) for prolonged periods over the space of about 15 years. I've been clean for two years now. And I have no plans to ever take it again. It resulted in a few psychotic episodes in 2020 where I now have ongoing mental health issues (probably has resulted in me developing early schizophrenic like symptoms).

Fortunately, I no longer suffer the voices that I had in the early days of psychosis, but I am now dealing with lingering ongoing anxieties that will pretty much be with me forever now. G is one hell of a drug if you can control its use, but very few people are able to. It gave me some of the best memories of my life when I was partying. MDMA always the ultimate, but GHB was a close second. If you can control it and not become its b!tch, then hats off to you.

Just be very very careful with it is all I can recommend really.

 

[dukesbobby777]

It makes you extremely horny. you will probably be able to break a brick on your d*ck. you will definitely need to have a girl there lol. There is a threshold with the dosage, too little and it won't do anything too much and you will pass out. Most people who do die from it aren't actually taking the real deal they are taking a precursor which takes longer to work, so people re-dose before the first dose has kicked in and then it all kicks in at once.

GBL hits instantly and is quicker to hit you than GHB itself. Not sure what precursors you are referring to.

GBL is basically the crack cocaine version of GHB.