Trump Elected Again?

[Homo Consumericus]

Wtf, this is a nice name for someone once bandied about for SCOTUS. It's good for the clown show.

 

[yerrag]

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Long live the SCOTUS*

*Show of Clowns of The United States

 

[LeeLemonoil]

I assume you meant the liberation by the Taliban of Afghanistan. I fail to understanding what you mean though. Why would anyone think it was unplanned. Engaging in war is always planned, isn't it?

I think there is some kind of lost in translation going on here though.

I don’t think that your „Zionists“ were defeated of surprised here. If anything the to be expected exodus of millions of Afghans is a deliberate and planned scheme. Afghanistan was planned to be de-occupied and retaken by the taliban by your Zionists.
All are in league one way or another. The taliban will have permission by USA and China to do some things they like but any valuable resources are a no no.

In any case fostering additional chaos by migration along the casspian Region and into Central Europe is apparently now more worthwhile than staying in Afghanistan

 

[yerrag]

I don’t think that your „Zionists“ were defeated of surprised here. If anything the to be expected exodus of millions of Afghans is a deliberate and planned scheme. Afghanistan was planned to be de-occupied and retaken by the taliban by your Zionists.
All are in league one way or another. The taliban will have permission by USA and China to do some things they like but any valuable resources are a no no.

In any case fostering additional chaos by migration along the casspian Region and into Central Europe is apparently now more worthwhile than staying in Afghanistan

I can see what you mean now.

But there is one problem with your interpretation of what transpired in the past 20 years in Afghanistan. There is a denial of defeat of the Zionist American forces in saying that. Were it not for the plan to flood Europe with Afghan immigrants, Afghanistan would still be in Zionist American control, according to your analysis. But rather than seeing Zionist American exhausted and burdened by this war, you see it as a masterful execution of something planned well. It had to take 20 years of warfare to plan the importation of 3 million Afghans into Western Europe?

You seem to forget that in 1975, American forces left Saigon with tails in between its legs. What makes the defeat in Saigon and the defeat in Afghanistan any different? Was the plan then to import defeated Vietnamese into the US as well?

 

[LeeLemonoil]

I don’t claim to know for certain. It would be a plausible case though.

2021 isn’t 1975. They are much more advanced now and control has ripened.

20 years ago there wasn’t a flood Europe plot or it was at another stage.

2015 has shown that millions of migrants from a different cultural background coming in within mere month can cause incredible turmoil - the longterm destabilizing not yet included

You had 2015. You had Covid. Now you habe inflation rising, climate change hysteria and now another turn of heavy migrant inflow with plausible deniability scenario. They turn up the heat because the opportunity is there and the timing is Perfect for their aims

 

[yerrag]

You may be right as these folks know how to turn defeat into victory. They are very diabolical and they do things with no second thoughts about consequences. Consequences are something they just as easily slip under the rug with no compunction. They are cold as steel and that is their strength. The rest of Christianity are sitting ducks. No Richard the Lionhearted among our midst. No Henry Martel. No Joan of Arc. No Siegfried either. But the Muslims may still have a Saladdin in them.

The Zionists made sure modern versions were assassinated. What we have in Trump is a court jester for the Zionist court.

 

[haidut]

I don’t claim to know for certain. It would be a plausible case though.

2021 isn’t 1975. They are much more advanced now and control has ripened.

20 years ago there wasn’t a flood Europe plot or it was at another stage.

2015 has shown that millions of migrants from a different cultural background coming in within mere month can cause incredible turmoil - the longterm destabilizing not yet included

You had 2015. You had Covid. Now you habe inflation rising, climate change hysteria and now another turn of heavy migrant inflow with plausible deniability scenario. They turn up the heat because the opportunity is there and the timing is Perfect for their aims

By Occam's razor there is much a simpler explanation. The war in Afghanistan had two aspects - the military and political/social. The military aspect was successful, the initial actions back in 2001-2004 did defeat the Taliban and, if you remember, they even offered to surrender officially (I think they proposed surrender meeting in Dubai, where most of their leaders remain to this day). Dubya said on TV back in 2005 that he refuses to "negotiate with terrorists" and behind the scenes apparently pushed for their total elimination, which did NOT succeed because the locals would not allow it. They started dressing/acting like the Taliban and at some point it became obvious that to eliminate the Taliban you'd have to erase Afghanistan from the face of the Earth, which was obviously not palatable to US (and other world) "leaders". So, again, the complete military eradication of the Taliban did not succeed as the locals refused to allow it but the initial military campaign to drive them out was quite effective and put 90%+ of country under US/Western control. Then, the US made the grave mistake of trying to introduce "democracy" into Afghanistan as a way of "fighting" the Taliban, hoping that if the country is modernized the Taliban would become irrelevant and retreat to the mountains and stay there as a largely irrelevant tribe/group that can be mostly ignored. However, that political pet project of the US (read: CIA) turned the people on the ground against the US and its allies as the ideas of promiscuous, berserk, toxic feminists running for political office against a background of annual gay parades somehow looked to the locals as something much worse than Taliban rule. That basically sealed the fate of the political/social aspect of the war, and as such the entire US effort in that country. If the local population is against the political structure, sooner or later that structure collapses. The US then tried to bribe various clan leaders and pit clans against each other, which led to internal skirmishes (rarely reported in the Western press), which destabilized the country and only alienated regular people on the street more, and gave the Taliban even more credibility. Sometime towards the end of Barry's presidency he was briefed that the social experiment in Afghanistan is a failure and, if you remember, he ordered a military "surge" to try to change the course but quickly realized it is a lost cause and handed it over to Trump, who also tried some things militarily but at the end simply negotiated with the Taliban to stay put while US gradually withdraws its troops and negotiates some sort of "mixed" govt that gives Taliban back some of the power and legitimizes them politically. Something must have failed quite dramatically over the last 2-3 years to allow the Taliban to think they can run an offensive over the entire country with about 50K fighters against 500K Afghan soldiers. My guess is that the US simply stopped paying bribes and the corrupt clan leaders made peace with the Taliban and told them the army won't fight them (the clan leaders all held top govt positions, so they decide what the army does/doesn't) if they try to take back the country. And that's all the Taliban needed, having already won the "hearts and minds" of the locals.
In summary, the military aspect of the war was successful until US got cocky and tried open extermination of everybody that they deemed a "terrorist". That spooked the locals many of whom (proudly) fit the US definition of a terrorist. They gradually turned against the US military presence and all the political/social plans (probably concocted by transgender freaks in Langley who never left the agency's basements) to defeat this attitude were a failure. So, at some point the US decided to cut its losses and withdraw, thinking it would do so gradually and safely as the negotiated (with the Taliban and clans) plan was. But somebody somewhere forgot to pay the corrupt Afghan "leaders" to follow the plan, who then told the Taliban to run an offensive and embarrass the Empire on its way out, by making it look like they won the war. They didn't. The US military won the war on the ground, but DC (read: CIA) lost the country. All the other talk about "sticking it to Russia" by leaving them an unstable Afghanistan, pouring refugees into Europe, etc are all distractions thrown in there to make it look like this was all planned. It may very well turn out to be a huge problem for Russia (and China) and there may be refugees, but this is all after the fact and largely spontaneous, not planned from the start.
TLDR: The US excels at fighting wars, but sucks at (re)building countries. And the reason it sucks at the latter is not that it does not know how to build countries, but that its political elite has been completely compromised by the "deep state", to whom rebuilding countries means establishing puppet, socially/sexually bizarre, debt-laden political structure that can be easily controlled while also enslaving the locals and destroying the economy. No population anywhere on the planet will support such puppet govts and that eventually dooms any prolonged military efforts. Don't bash the US military, it is second to none in quality, both the conventional and covert ops. However, the US political class (on "both" sides) is about the most abysmal scum to ever walk the face of this planet, which basically ensures eventual failure in any long-term international (or domestic, for that matter) political project the US gets involved with.
Just my 2c.
@yerrag

 

[LeeLemonoil]

Thanks @haidut - that’s indeed a plausible and coherent scenario.

An article about the causes of this sudden victory of the taliban offensive in a German Outlet today corrobated the but you write about gradual bribing of individual generals, regional leaders and highly placed figures in Kabul.

According to the article the nail in the coffin was when the trump admin announced the negotiations with the taliban to transition power. Elements in the army willing to fight lost the resolve to do so and corruption became more rampant because if at all the allied forces were the only ones that sometimes policed too opel bribery.

The German foreign ministry and Intelligence was surprised and caught off guard by the quickness of events as well - that much can be gathered here.

An utter failure of intelligence services of the west? Could it be? I hope so.

Regarding Afghanistan: I have no idea how that society functions. Let them live like they live. There certainly will be oppressed people or many that struggle or suffer under that sort of society and way life.

Is there a society anywhere where it is any different?

 

[haidut]

An utter failure of intelligence services of the west? Could it be? I hope so.

Yep, and not the first time the "intel" shadow groups has subverted the war. The last time war was mostly fought by the military, with its own planners and goals, was WWII. Ever since then - Korean War, Vietnam War, Cold War, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Lybia, etc have all been intel (the assortment of 3-letter agencies) led/driven wars, and have invariably all led to failure. A crude analogy would be to compare the "intelligence" agencies and the military to the second and first signal system of Pavlov respectively. A former is abstract, theoretical and has little correspondence to reality while the latter is (or at least has been so far) hands-on and experimental/empirical. If you want success in the real world, the first signal system should always be given priority while the second one should be used mostly for knowledge (memory, in Peat's world) gathering and analysis that may inform future policy (at the state level). Perversely, since the 1950s it has been the other way around with intelligence agencies largely deciding who should be fought and how, and the military just doing the grunt work. We are now seeing another sad outcome of such an approach, and unfortunately the same approach seems to have beset most of the West in virtually every aspect of life, because the "deep state" dominates not only the military/politics but most aspects of life in Western societies. Hopefully, just as that approach collapsed completely and rapidly in Afghanistan, the same will happen soon in societies.

 

[yerrag]

Yep, and not the first time the "intel" shadow groups has subverted the war. The last time war was mostly fought by the military, with its own planners and goals, was WWII. Ever since then - Korean War, Vietnam War, Cold War, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Lybia, etc have all been intel (the assortment of 3-letter agencies) led/driven wars, and have invariably all led to failure. A crude analogy would be to compare the "intelligence" agencies and the military to the second and first signal system of Pavlov respectively. A former is abstract, theoretical and has little correspondence to reality while the latter is (or at least has been so far) hands-on and experimental/empirical. If you want success in the real world, the first signal system should always be given priority while the second one should be used mostly for knowledge (memory, in Peat's world) gathering and analysis that may inform future policy (at the state level). Perversely, since the 1950s it has been the other way around with intelligence agencies largely deciding who should be fought and how, and the military just doing the grunt work. We are now seeing another sad outcome of such an approach, and unfortunately the same approach seems to have beset most of the West in virtually every aspect of life, because the "deep state" dominates not only the military/politics but most aspects of life in Western societies. Hopefully, just as that approach collapsed completely and rapidly in Afghanistan, the same will happen soon in societies.

i agree about the failure of the 3 letter agencies, but I don't agree on this having been a failure since the 1950s.

There were abject failures that can be attributable to poor intelligence gathering in the 2nd World War. Pearl Harbor is a prime example of that. How the Germans managed to surprise the Allied Forces by breaching the Maginot Line - that is another. What happened in Dunkirk (I think it was Dunkirk) when Allied landing forces were left unprotected without enough cover, that was another. These were not really intelligence failures, but successes - when you speak from the Zionist Mossad perspective. They were intended to shape the psychology of the war to egg the enemy to become too bold to make a gamble of a sure thing happen in Germany's siege of Stalingrad. They were also intended to pour more resources in munitions building, and that was what happened when the US had to make war bonds and to convert factories and even hire women in an all-out "patriotic" effort to build the military-industrial complex we now are saddled with.

I can even argue that the intelligence of Western countries have long been compromised, and that before Mossad was formalized withe the establishment of Israel as a state, it had been doing splendid work undermining gullible kingdoms and empires. Doesn't it make you wonder why England, Zion's boy, was able to beat the equivalent of the US military in Spain's heyday in the invincible Spanish Armada, using toy boats in the English fleet? It was Mossad's intelligence favoring England. The Mossad made use of the diapora's reach, and the depth of Zion's members reaching its tentacles into the highest offices in each country in Western Europe. The Freemasons helped as well, and they have been the unheralded victors, even as the gullible victors in each war heralded their greatness.

When we see talk of how great America is, and we look at how the greatness lies in how American has been pulled by the Zionist string, this greatness is only a perjorative as in a great idiot.

 

[Pistachio]

True, but Shekelpiro is so ridiculously blue-pilled that it makes one feel embarrassed to ever side with him.



Wtf, I never heard this before!

Alexander Litvinenko 'murdered because he accused Putin of being a paedophile'

Mr Litvinenko wrote an article making the accusations four months before he was poisoned

www.independent.co.uk

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uWEaKLzwUg

 

[yerrag]

Alexander Litvinenko 'murdered because he accused Putin of being a paedophile'

Mr Litvinenko wrote an article making the accusations four months before he was poisoned

www.independent.co.uk

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uWEaKLzwUg

The Russian public didn't recoil in horrow. It may just be what a godfather does to a godson in Russian culture. What do you think @Inaut ?

 

[Pistachio]

The Russian public didn't recoil in horrow. It may just be what a godfather does to a godson in Russian culture. What do you think @Inaut ?

Grabbing random five-year-old boys, lifting their shirts, and kissing them on the stomach is not a Russian custom.

 

[haidut]

i agree about the failure of the 3 letter agencies, but I don't agree on this having been a failure since the 1950s.

There were abject failures that can be attributable to poor intelligence gathering in the 2nd World War. Pearl Harbor is a prime example of that. How the Germans managed to surprise the Allied Forces by breaching the Maginot Line - that is another. What happened in Dunkirk (I think it was Dunkirk) when Allied landing forces were left unprotected without enough cover, that was another. These were not really intelligence failures, but successes - when you speak from the Zionist Mossad perspective. They were intended to shape the psychology of the war to egg the enemy to become too bold to make a gamble of a sure thing happen in Germany's siege of Stalingrad. They were also intended to pour more resources in munitions building, and that was what happened when the US had to make war bonds and to convert factories and even hire women in an all-out "patriotic" effort to build the military-industrial complex we now are saddled with.

I can even argue that the intelligence of Western countries have long been compromised, and that before Mossad was formalized withe the establishment of Israel as a state, it had been doing splendid work undermining gullible kingdoms and empires. Doesn't it make you wonder why England, Zion's boy, was able to beat the equivalent of the US military in Spain's heyday in the invincible Spanish Armada, using toy boats in the English fleet? It was Mossad's intelligence favoring England. The Mossad made use of the diapora's reach, and the depth of Zion's members reaching its tentacles into the highest offices in each country in Western Europe. The Freemasons helped as well, and they have been the unheralded victors, even as the gullible victors in each war heralded their greatness.

When we see talk of how great America is, and we look at how the greatness lies in how American has been pulled by the Zionist string, this greatness is only a perjorative as in a great idiot.

I am sure Zion has always been involved when there is war and money to be made. I am only speaking of the influence of what is now "intel" agencies in steering the actual events on the ground during war. WWII was probably the last time the chief of the Office of Strategic Service (OSS) truly reported to the chief military officer and was under his/her command. Since then, the intel agencies became not only independent but completely overshadowed the military in terms of importance (and budget) in political life (at least in the US). CIA and NSA now each has a budget that exceeds the Pentagon's, and they probably run at least 5-10 times more in "dark" money. Bitcoin and other crypto currencies come to mind here. Moreover, the intel agencies got heavily involved in social/political life after WWII and now effectively control public/private life while the military is just "dumb"and "cannon fodder" as Kissinger once said. Whatever happened in Afghanistan, you can bet it was entirely planned in places like Langley and the military simply followed the (stupid) orders/plans handed to them from above. Anecdotal pieces of evidence that come to mind were things such as the plan to have a beauty pageant contest for Miss Kabul with women in thongs, an annual gay parade in major Afghani cities, a feminist party/caucus in Afghani Parliament, a "transgender rights" agency attached to the social services Ministry in the Kabul govt, etc. The US military did not come up with these plans, the intel agencies did and have tried such bizarre "democratic" projects in other invaded countries too. You can bet those plans did a lot to alienate the Afghani population and make them (re)endorse the Taliban, and ultimately doom US military efforts in the country.

 

[Pistachio]

Soviets created child-sex-trafficking rings in the West for blackmail: scholar

Soviets created child-sex-trafficking rings in the West for blackmail: scholar, Fitzpatrick Informer

The rings are believed to be still operating [caption id="attachment_5857" align="aligncenter" width="1024"] Children are given their Komsomol memberships...

tinyurl.com

In Putin's case, his own KGB blackmailed him. No honour among thieves.

 

[yerrag]

Since then, the intel agencies became not only independent but completely overshadowed the military in terms of importance (and budget) in political life (at least in the US). CIA and NSA now each has a budget that exceeds the Pentagon's, and they probably run at least 5-10 times more in "dark" money.

Now we know where America's brightest went. That didn't end too well for Scarface.

 

[Inaut]

View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HeS3Eq4e8Qs


maybe he’s just a nice guy... @yerrag ????unlikely dough.

the Old boys club typically involves young boys so I’d tend to believe there was a level of truth to the accusations, especially if the accuser ends of muerted

 

[yerrag]

View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HeS3Eq4e8Qs


maybe he’s just a nice guy... @yerrag ????unlikely dough.

the Old boys club typically involves young boys so I’d tend to believe there was a level of truth to the accusations, especially if the accuser ends of muerted

Thanks.

I'd make sure not to follow Putin with his custom of rubbing and kissing navels when in Moscow. I'll limit it to my cat.

 

[Regina]

By Occam's razor there is much a simpler explanation. The war in Afghanistan had two aspects - the military and political/social. The military aspect was successful, the initial actions back in 2001-2004 did defeat the Taliban and, if you remember, they even offered to surrender officially (I think they proposed surrender meeting in Dubai, where most of their leaders remain to this day). Dubya said on TV back in 2005 that he refuses to "negotiate with terrorists" and behind the scenes apparently pushed for their total elimination, which did NOT succeed because the locals would not allow it. They started dressing/acting like the Taliban and at some point it became obvious that to eliminate the Taliban you'd have to erase Afghanistan from the face of the Earth, which was obviously not palatable to US (and other world) "leaders". So, again, the complete military eradication of the Taliban did not succeed as the locals refused to allow it but the initial military campaign to drive them out was quite effective and put 90%+ of country under US/Western control. Then, the US made the grave mistake of trying to introduce "democracy" into Afghanistan as a way of "fighting" the Taliban, hoping that if the country is modernized the Taliban would become irrelevant and retreat to the mountains and stay there as a largely irrelevant tribe/group that can be mostly ignored. However, that political pet project of the US (read: CIA) turned the people on the ground against the US and its allies as the ideas of promiscuous, berserk, toxic feminists running for political office against a background of annual gay parades somehow looked to the locals as something much worse than Taliban rule. That basically sealed the fate of the political/social aspect of the war, and as such the entire US effort in that country. If the local population is against the political structure, sooner or later that structure collapses. The US then tried to bribe various clan leaders and pit clans against each other, which led to internal skirmishes (rarely reported in the Western press), which destabilized the country and only alienated regular people on the street more, and gave the Taliban even more credibility. Sometime towards the end of Barry's presidency he was briefed that the social experiment in Afghanistan is a failure and, if you remember, he ordered a military "surge" to try to change the course but quickly realized it is a lost cause and handed it over to Trump, who also tried some things militarily but at the end simply negotiated with the Taliban to stay put while US gradually withdraws its troops and negotiates some sort of "mixed" govt that gives Taliban back some of the power and legitimizes them politically. Something must have failed quite dramatically over the last 2-3 years to allow the Taliban to think they can run an offensive over the entire country with about 50K fighters against 500K Afghan soldiers. My guess is that the US simply stopped paying bribes and the corrupt clan leaders made peace with the Taliban and told them the army won't fight them (the clan leaders all held top govt positions, so they decide what the army does/doesn't) if they try to take back the country. And that's all the Taliban needed, having already won the "hearts and minds" of the locals.
In summary, the military aspect of the war was successful until US got cocky and tried open extermination of everybody that they deemed a "terrorist". That spooked the locals many of whom (proudly) fit the US definition of a terrorist. They gradually turned against the US military presence and all the political/social plans (probably concocted by transgender freaks in Langley who never left the agency's basements) to defeat this attitude were a failure. So, at some point the US decided to cut its losses and withdraw, thinking it would do so gradually and safely as the negotiated (with the Taliban and clans) plan was. But somebody somewhere forgot to pay the corrupt Afghan "leaders" to follow the plan, who then told the Taliban to run an offensive and embarrass the Empire on its way out, by making it look like they won the war. They didn't. The US military won the war on the ground, but DC (read: CIA) lost the country. All the other talk about "sticking it to Russia" by leaving them an unstable Afghanistan, pouring refugees into Europe, etc are all distractions thrown in there to make it look like this was all planned. It may very well turn out to be a huge problem for Russia (and China) and there may be refugees, but this is all after the fact and largely spontaneous, not planned from the start.
TLDR: The US excels at fighting wars, but sucks at (re)building countries. And the reason it sucks at the latter is not that it does not know how to build countries, but that its political elite has been completely compromised by the "deep state", to whom rebuilding countries means establishing puppet, socially/sexually bizarre, debt-laden political structure that can be easily controlled while also enslaving the locals and destroying the economy. No population anywhere on the planet will support such puppet govts and that eventually dooms any prolonged military efforts. Don't bash the US military, it is second to none in quality, both the conventional and covert ops. However, the US political class (on "both" sides) is about the most abysmal scum to ever walk the face of this planet, which basically ensures eventual failure in any long-term international (or domestic, for that matter) political project the US gets involved with.
Just my 2c.
@yerrag

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[Regina]

I am sure Zion has always been involved when there is war and money to be made. I am only speaking of the influence of what is now "intel" agencies in steering the actual events on the ground during war. WWII was probably the last time the chief of the Office of Strategic Service (OSS) truly reported to the chief military officer and was under his/her command. Since then, the intel agencies became not only independent but completely overshadowed the military in terms of importance (and budget) in political life (at least in the US). CIA and NSA now each has a budget that exceeds the Pentagon's, and they probably run at least 5-10 times more in "dark" money. Bitcoin and other crypto currencies come to mind here. Moreover, the intel agencies got heavily involved in social/political life after WWII and now effectively control public/private life while the military is just "dumb"and "cannon fodder" as Kissinger once said. Whatever happened in Afghanistan, you can bet it was entirely planned in places like Langley and the military simply followed the (stupid) orders/plans handed to them from above. Anecdotal pieces of evidence that come to mind were things such as the plan to have a beauty pageant contest for Miss Kabul with women in thongs, an annual gay parade in major Afghani cities, a feminist party/caucus in Afghani Parliament, a "transgender rights" agency attached to the social services Ministry in the Kabul govt, etc. The US military did not come up with these plans, the intel agencies did and have tried such bizarre "democratic" projects in other invaded countries too. You can bet those plans did a lot to alienate the Afghani population and make them (re)endorse the Taliban, and ultimately doom US military efforts in the country.