Transmissible Viral Vaccines... how the shots are affecting those who haven't taken it. They may be designed to do exactly that

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@86317 - Isn't povidine iodine synthetic? Can 2% iodine work instead? Thanks for the recipe. Curious if nebulizing or diffusing these EOs would work as well?

I don't know about using 2% iodine instead of povidone. I've only seen that one study about the povidone.

Diffusing EOs would usually react with viral particles in the air and also give some immune system support as you inhale the oils, but I don't know how the spike proteins might react differently in the air or with the immune cells in the nose. I mean I doubt the diffused EOs would make what reacts in the air that you then inhale worse, so if you can afford it, yeah it's probably useful somehow. And diffusing the EOs would get some of the chemicals onto the mucous membranes of your nostrils and to the olfactory bulb, but depending how it reacts with the stuff in the air you don't want to inhale, you might be inhaling the stuff you want to touch your membranes and olfactory bulb and inhaling the stuff you don't want that hasn't been made less harmful by mixing with the EOs in the air, and so if (given what we don't know about the spike proteins) that's the situation then how much does the diffused EOs stop the stuff you don't want as they both come into contact with the inside of your nose? I think it might be more reliably effective to put a couple drops in your nose and rub it into the mucous membranes directly, to make sure better it's a protective covering, and snort it up to the olfactory bulb too. (Remember, dilute the essential oils.) Some of the EOs are inexpensive enough to diffuse and use in carrier oil directly (or if you're rich, diffuse rose otto and waft in it luxuriously).

Putting the oils in the nose and snorting it up to the olfactory bulb -- nasya is the Ayurvedic name for that. Sometimes it's just with plain sesame oil for keeping the mucous membranes moist, like after a saline nasal rinse with a neti pot which can be a little drying, but nasya includes the use of a variety of medicated oils. Traditionally the medicated oils would be prepared by infusing a carrier oil with the herbs. There are very specific recipes for making some traditional oil formulations. Those extensive combinations of ingredients might not be safe for nasya, I'm not sure, but it's an example of how detailed they were with the development of the formulations. Examples:

52 ingredients

72 ingredients

But nasya doesn't have to be complicated recipes to make infused oils. If an essential oil is diluted safely in the carrier oil, that can be a good way to do nasya too.

There are lots of articles online about nasya. For a description that's in a good bigger picture context of the Ayurvedic ideas, by someone who really understands the traditional concepts, the book Ayurveda and Panchakarma by Sunil Joshi is the best introduction to Ayurvedic ideas I've found. It can be downloaded free as PDF here (the author didn't post this; the book's still in print to buy new):


He's teaching Ayurveda and doing consultations still:
 
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But apparently it is not good to take D2. It can reduce D3 levels. But for a period of time to get rid of the prions... could work.

Or to combine it with D3.

@74one came up with a good idea, Makrosky. Put your white button mushrooms in the sun for a bit before you cook them and they will give you D2.

I wouldn't try to rely on D2 as your only protection. There are measures that can prove something "effective" that wouldn't satisfy you at all if you were the one trying to slow down your own prion disease.
 

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Thank you so much for this 863127 it seems like this spike protein transmission is a daunting thing, yet only a handful of people seem to have any inkling of the dangers. But thankfully I have this forum and because of it I feel a little more prepared for the ordeal yet to come.
We very much are living in a Matrix like world aren’t we? I think that I live in a very small minority now of those that have taken the red pill. The ones that took the blue pill are certainly in the majority.

So a friend who owns a business in town with 50ish employees just did a casual survey of his employees.

Out of the 50, only 11 are vaxxed. The rest said things like, "No way! There are people dying of that!"
 

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This whole thing makes me wonder if plandemics have been going on since the beginning of human history. It's pretty well documented that the Spanish Flu of 1918 was caused by the vaccine they were giving people. British settlers intentionally poisoned Native Americans with smallpox by giving them contaminated blankets.

I honestly wonder if those who rule the world intentionally spread the bubonic plague
Yes, I think you are right to question how what's going on now resonates with those histories. Within caste systems a priestly class usually exists which has access to secret knowledge. I have a book "The Art of Magic" that is a companion to a PBS documentary from the 90s and that illustrates this example:

"In ancient times authorities used their knowledge of science to astonish people in magical ways. For example, more than 2,000 years ago, in his book Pneumatics, Hero of Alexandria described temple doors that opened mysteriously when a nearby fire was lit by priests"

This secret art of trickery, social conditioning, and political theater has some deep and mysterious roots.
 

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Good post! Completely agree with oils being great backup. Remembering to reapply as the esters evaporate so quickly is all I would add.
At what frequency do you think would provide adequate protection?
 

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So a friend who owns a business in town with 50ish employees just did a casual survey of his employees.

Out of the 50, only 11 are vaxxed. The rest said things like, "No way! There are people dying of that!"
I might need to get a new set of friends after this is all said and done. But it is great news that people are becoming aware. I just had an in depth leveraging style of conversation with my family on me getting the jab. They pulled all the guilt tricks out of the bag, responsibilities to friends, family, country, my own health.
All I can say is thank you everyone for giving and sharing the knowledge you have on this contentious topic.
For all others in this predicament it is difficult for people to refute peer reviewed clinical studies, let alone find someone in the crowd that will actually read them. When the only rebuttals they have is,” anyone can put anything on the internet”, or,” yeah but the Doctor that has that remedy just wants your money”. Then you know the discussion is just about over. While it is true anyone can put anything on the internet, not everyone can put anything in Pub Med or JAMA.
So thank you everyone for giving me the knowledge and the tools to help myself and stay the course. My family is another story, while I can show the pathway the response that,”you have to strong of an opinion on this to discuss it with you”. Does hit a little hard, but reality is this is something that has the potential to do so much damage in so many different vectors, the Spike Protein indeed is as Dr Tenpenny put it,” the perfect killing machine”, in that it does not even need to start a fight for people to get hurt or killed, Hell they line up for it and happily accept it without any concern for what is in it, how it works, or what the side effects are.
 

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Giraffe, please read my posts more carefully.

I have never believed the mainstream media propaganda on Covid-19 or variants. I am concerned about the Delta variant because scientist Walter Chestnut is pointing out that it manifests first as vasculitis and unusual cancers, and he's providing evidence of that.

Mike Yeadon hasn't refuted Walter Chestnut. Mike Yeadon spoke in general terms about mutations, not about specific information related to the Delta variant.

The fact is, first symptoms are runny nose with soaring ferritin levels. That's the hallmark of vasculitis. Chestnut is saying the Delta variant zombifies cells throughout your body. It eats away at the lining of your blood vessels and destroys your organs.

So I'm concerned about the Delta variant.

It's just as bad to reassure people that everything is lies and fear porn, nothing to see here, as it is to peddle lies and fear porn.

Don't ever accuse me again of peddling mainstream propaganda and fear porn.

Walter M Chesnut is a musician.

Data from England show that the death rate and rate of hospitalization is lower with the delta variant than with the other ones.

So Michael Yeadon hasn't refuted Walter M Chesnut? Are you serious?

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I was just curious because I suddenly heard it mentioned on the radio, newspapers etc. In my world everything is linking to covid but perhaps I am becoming hypervigilant
You probably heard inflammation of the heart muscle, the myocardium. Aka myocarditis from people that got v@xx’d. Takutsobo is stressed induced and heart fx is severely depressed w clear coronaries although they maybe constricted. Heart can be enlarged as well and risk of death. I had an Aunt who died in MD. They had the funeral and burial and the next day the sister died. We were all shocked and devastated from what had happened. Broken heart syndrome/stress induced cmp/takutsobo can do that.

Implementing a Ray Peat inspired lifestyle by lowering stress is a good prevention IMO. I guess that’s why we’re all in here right!
 
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You probably heard inflammation of the heart muscle, the myocardium. Aka myocarditis from people that got v@xx’d. Takutsobo is stressed induced and heart fx is severely depressed w clear coronaries although they maybe constricted. Heart can be enlarged as well and risk of death. I had an Aunt who died in MD. They had the funeral and burial and the next day the sister died. We were all shocked and devastated from what had happened. Broken heart syndrome/stress induced cmp/takutsobo can do that.

Implementing a Ray Peat inspired lifestyle by lowering stress is a good prevention IMO. I guess that’s why we’re all in here right!
Thank you but I think you are still missing my point. I know what this condition is. What I am suggesting is that it seems odd that all of a suddenly a few media outlets suddenly cover stories about it. Why now? I wondered if there is a concerted effort to find other explanations for heart injuries by vaccination...........pure speculation on my part.
 
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@863127 - Thanks much!

@Pina - There's always reason behind everything. IMO it gives healthcare and pharm industry a reason to find cure/treatment for these condition. You may be right on your speculation.
 

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Time to look again at the August 2015 FDA document issued to the vax industry on recommended design and analysis of shedding studies for gene therapy like the Covid vax:


Fleming says (at 3:35), "They didn't spend this kind of money and time testing for something that they didn't know existed."

 

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I don't know about using 2% iodine instead of povidone. I've only seen that one study about the povidone.

Diffusing EOs would usually react with viral particles in the air and also give some immune system support as you inhale the oils, but I don't know how the spike proteins might react differently in the air or with the immune cells in the nose. I mean I doubt the diffused EOs would make what reacts in the air that you then inhale worse, so if you can afford it, yeah it's probably useful somehow. And diffusing the EOs would get some of the chemicals onto the mucous membranes of your nostrils and to the olfactory bulb, but depending how it reacts with the stuff in the air you don't want to inhale, you might be inhaling the stuff you want to touch your membranes and olfactory bulb and inhaling the stuff you don't want that hasn't been made less harmful by mixing with the EOs in the air, and so if (given what we don't know about the spike proteins) that's the situation then how much does the diffused EOs stop the stuff you don't want as they both come into contact with the inside of your nose? I think it might be more reliably effective to put a couple drops in your nose and rub it into the mucous membranes directly, to make sure better it's a protective covering, and snort it up to the olfactory bulb too. (Remember, dilute the essential oils.) Some of the EOs are inexpensive enough to diffuse and use in carrier oil directly (or if you're rich, diffuse rose otto and waft in it luxuriously).

Putting the oils in the nose and snorting it up to the olfactory bulb -- nasya is the Ayurvedic name for that. Sometimes it's just with plain sesame oil for keeping the mucous membranes moist, like after a saline nasal rinse with a neti pot which can be a little drying, but nasya includes the use of a variety of medicated oils. Traditionally the medicated oils would be prepared by infusing a carrier oil with the herbs. There are very specific recipes for making some traditional oil formulations. Those extensive combinations of ingredients might not be safe for nasya, I'm not sure, but it's an example of how detailed they were with the development of the formulations. Examples:

52 ingredients

72 ingredients

But nasya doesn't have to be complicated recipes to make infused oils. If an essential oil is diluted safely in the carrier oil, that can be a good way to do nasya too.

There are lots of articles online about nasya. For a description that's in a good bigger picture context of the Ayurvedic ideas, by someone who really understands the traditional concepts, the book Ayurveda and Panchakarma by Sunil Joshi is the best introduction to Ayurvedic ideas I've found. It can be downloaded free as PDF here (the author didn't post this; the book's still in print to buy new):


He's teaching Ayurveda and doing consultations still:
You can perform nasry with a product called Ponaris. Pine, peppermint, eucalyptus, cajeput in cottonseed oil. Lay down flat and tip head back, squuze drops into nose and snort, pinch nostrils to coat. Super relief after using salt water to cleanse the sinus. I started recommending the NeilMed vertical saline rinse over the cumbersome neti pot followed by this emollient to some mine workers, then to my classes at State of Alaska Railroad. Those guys said it changed their lives immensely, and they couldnt believe what they saw rinsed out.
 

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You can perform nasry with a product called Ponaris. Pine, peppermint, eucalyptus, cajeput in cottonseed oil. Lay down flat and tip head back, squuze drops into nose and snort, pinch nostrils to coat. Super relief after using salt water to cleanse the sinus. I started recommending the NeilMed vertical saline rinse over the cumbersome neti pot followed by this emollient to some mine workers, then to my classes at State of Alaska Railroad. Those guys said it changed their lives immensely, and they couldnt believe what they saw rinsed out.
I can vouch for the NeilMed, it’s very effective. Only thing I’d say is don’t use more than 3 or 4 days in a row as it can end up with water lodged in the sinus in my experience if you’re too vigorous with it.
 

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I can vouch for the NeilMed, it’s very effective. Only thing I’d say is don’t use more than 3 or 4 days in a row as it can end up with water lodged in the sinus in my experience if you’re too vigorous with it.
Good point, thanks for adding that. The men who worked just downwind of the coal plant didnt have that luxury though, they had been snorting chlorinated water in the shower and the steam helped. But getting into upper sinus was telling with Neilmed. Whether salt water or chlorinated water, the Ponaris brought them back to breathing easier and calmed inflammation of their sinus membrane on a daily basis.
 

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Time to look again at the August 2015 FDA document issued to the vax industry on recommended design and analysis of shedding studies for gene therapy like the Covid vax:


Fleming says (at 3:35), "They didn't spend this kind of money and time testing for something that they didn't know existed."

Nemo-
Just a word of thanks. I got the IVM and HCQ (from Front Line MD's) and I'm on the second day. The pain in my foot is gone.
I'm grateful for this thread and that everyone who is trying to help others. I'm praying these remedies are made available to all.
 

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Nemo-
Just a word of thanks. I got the IVM and HCQ (from Front Line MD's) and I'm on the second day. The pain in my foot is gone.
I'm grateful for this thread and that everyone who is trying to help others. I'm praying these remedies are made available to all.

Oh, I'm so glad! I'm so glad the pain in your foot is gone!

Thanks for letting us know.
 

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Thank you bzmazu. I had bought a nebulizer last year but put it away. To make it simple, I bought little packets of salt water. I have 13% H2O2. Now to figure out the amount to use with my salt water packets. I tossed my Lugol's years ago after reading Ray's comments on it. My husband has reduced lung capacity so I want to give this a try. I had lost track of the info that you posted and you reminded me of all that. tyvm
 
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Thank you bzmazu. I had bought a nebulizer last year but put it away. To make it simple, I bought little packets of salt water. I have 13% H2O2. Now to figure out the amount to use with my salt water packets. I tossed my Lugol's years ago after reading Ray's comments on it. My husband has reduced lung capacity so I want to give this a try. I had lost track of the info that you posted and you reminded me of all that. tyvm
Some more, Birdie....

 

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Excellent info, 863127. Do you think there is significant benefit to the oil over say a teaspoon of ground seeds? I enjoy the ground seeds mixed with honey and assumed the seeds will retain many other synergistic compounds perhaps lost in the oil.

Ehhhmm..... didn't you post this a couple of days ago? haha

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https://dergipark.org.tr/en/download/article-file/424185
"Interestingly, all the samples examined were found to contain only thymoquinone in significant amounts, and not the other derivatives such as dithymoquinone and thymohydroquinone. Although the percentages of thymoquinone vary for each sample, oils were found to contain higher amounts of thymoquinone compared to the seeds in general..."

Table 2. Concentrations and amounts of thymoquinone in seeds (in mg)

0.0098 - 0.376 % of weight


Table 3. Concentrations and amounts of thymoquinone in seed oils (in mg)

0.050 - 0.619 % of weight



Oh yeah. Cool. Thanks.


thymoquinone in seeds (in mg)

0.0098 - 0.376 % of weight

I found this volume to weight conversion for black cumin seeds:


The volume measurement can be changed to tablespoon.

So the weight of one tablespoon of black cumin seeds is 15 grams or 0.53 ounce.

Thymoquinone is 0.0098 - 0.376 % of weight.

15 g x 0.000098 = 0.00147 g = 1.47 mg

15 g x 0.00376 = 0.0564 g = 56.4 mg

So, because that's a big range, I'm gonna look at what the data points excluding the extremes are, and get an average calculated without those extremes.

(page 5)

Thymoquinine in seeds table.png


So after excluding the maximum (0.376%) and minimum (0.010%), then there are pretty much two groups: around 0.100% and around 0.015% percent.

So the average of the ~0.100% group: (0.101 + 0.107 + 0.085 + 0.107 + 0.167) / 5
= 0.1134%

The average of the ~0.015% group:
(0.015 + 0.021 + 0.014) / 3
= 0.0167%

So amount of thymoquinone in a tablespoon (15 g) of seeds using those percentages...

15 g x 0.00134 = 0.0201 g = 20 mg

15 g x 0.000167 = 0.0025 g = 2.5 mg

2.5 - 20 mg.

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I guess hope you get seeds that are about 0.1% thymoquinone instead of 0.01%.

So assuming you get the 0.01% TQ seeds, you could eat 10 tablespoons and assume you're getting as much TQ as eating 1 tablespoon of the 0.1% TQ seeds. But if that's a wrong assumption and you're eating the 0.1% TQ seeds, then you'd be eating ~200 mg of TQ. You could split your bets and use five tablespoons, and so be eating either ~10-15 mg or ~100 mg.

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Next, the dosages of thymoquinone in the oil...

Table 3 Thymoquinone in seed oils.png


Removing the minimum and maximum makes the range 0.142% - 0.486%.

I got an 8 oz bottle of black cumin seed oil, and it says on the label serving size of 1 teaspoon (5 ml) has 4.6 grams weight of oil in it. Compare that to the seeds weighing 15 grams per tablespoon. So to compare the dosages of seeds and oil I'll calculate the amount of thymoquinone in 3 of the teaspoon servings (3 tsp=1 tbsp), 14.2 grams, of the oil.

14.2 g x .00142 = .0201 g = 20 mg

14.2 g x .00486 = .069 g = 69 mg

So 20 - 69 mg thymoquinone per 3 teaspoons (1 tablespoon) of the oil.

Compared to 2.5 - 20 mg in 1 tablespoon (and about the same weight) of the seeds.

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So how much is safe?



"The maximum tolerated dose for intraperitoneal injection and oral ingestion of thymoquinone was determined in male and female Wistar rats. A range of dose levels of thymoquinone: ... 200, 300 and 500 mg/kg body weight for oral ingestion... tested for acute toxicity in rats... The results showed that the maximum tolerated dose for... oral ingestion was 250 mg/kg in both male and female rats. There were different signs of toxicity shown in rats which received intraperitoneal injection from those that received oral ingestion of thymoquinone... Rats which received oral ingestion of thymoquinone showed transient toxicity signs. Two deaths were reported at dose of 500 mg/kg as a result of bowel obstruction complications."



"Several toxicological studies indicated that oral administration of TQ in the range of 10 to 100 mg/kg has no toxic or lethal effects in mice.45-49"



"The oral and intraperitoneal lethal dose (LD50) in animal models such as rats and mice has been successfully assigned by earlier researcher [143, 144]. The safety, tolerability, and less toxicity of N. sativa at higher doses are established via human clinical trials. A study showed that TQ at the concentrations of 0 to 10μM was not cytotoxic to fibroblast-like synoviocytes [145]. Earlier study showed that Nigella sativa did not show any toxicity effect on liver and supplementations of Nigella sativa reduce the alanine aminotransferase (ALT) level and aspartate aminotransferase (AST) level treated rats compared to the control doses of rats [146]. Another study reported that 0.6 mg/kg/day oral dose of TQ is suitable for humans [145] and 0.05 mg/kg/day of Nigella sativa extract for postmenopausal women [147]. Another report showed that the LD50 of oral administration of TQ was 2.4 gm/kg (1.52–3.77, 95% CL). Numerous studies in the support of N. sativa have shown that no evidence of N. sativa fixed oil toxicity was observed, when administered in different doses up to 10 mL/kg body wt., p.o. [148]. N. sativa and its seed powder did not show any toxic effects and were safe at very high doses (28 gm/kg orally) and its oil was also safe at dose (28.8 ml/kg) in rabbits and rats respectively [149, 150]."


"Another study reported that 0.6 mg/kg/day oral dose of TQ is suitable for humans"

200 lb person = 90.7 kg
0.6 mg/kg x 90.7 kg = 54.4 mg per day safe dose for humans (apparently?)

The range of thymoquinone in 1 tablespoon of oil is 20 - 69 mg. The range in 1 tablespoon of seeds is 2.5 - 20 mg.


I'll try to find info about dosages of thymoquinone that are effective for neuroprotection next.
 
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