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TocoVit - Liquid Vitamin E From Wheat Germ Oil

Discussion in 'IdeaLabs' started by haidut, May 6, 2016.

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    Wow, amazing! Thanks so much for reporting.
     
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    Sorry if this has been answered somewhere else in the thread, but why do you think there's such a difference between this E and the rest? Seeing as the newer formulation only contains the waxes alongside the E, could it be chalked up to this? Or just the superior quality?
     
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    I don't know for sure, but this formulation is high-alpha mixed tocopherols and most other products on the market are high-gamma. The alpha tocopherol seems to be better at estrogen antagonism while gamma tocopherol seems better as scavenger of NO and other reactive nitrogen species. So, for something like gyno I would expect the alpha tocopherol to work better. The policosanols also have effects, usually by opposing PUFA.
     
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    @haidut Have you tried reacting the new formula with ubiquinone to see if it produces a black color?

     
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    Yes, it does. And it produces black color when mixed with vitamin K and/or emodin too, which is expected since K2/emodin are quinones.
     
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    Awesome!
     
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    Is there a limit to how much one can take in a day?

    Also besides pufa inactivation and estrogen lowering, what are the benefits of Vit E?
     
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    Ok, so I know the issue of vitamin K and Vitamin E interacting in the bloodstream has been discussed many times on the forum. There should be at least 6 hours between using Vitamin K and Vitamin E to avoid having them in the bloodstream at the same time.

    But what about other quinones? Is it ok to use vitamin E and Lapodin? Or Vitamin E with a tetracycline antibiotic? These are quinones like vitamin K so do they also negatively interact with vitamin E?
     
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    Vitamin E in doses above 800 IU daily seems to delete vitamin K and increase risk of bleeding. It may also irritate the gut in some people, especially in higher doses.
     
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    As I mentioned to you in a PM, all quinones likely have this interaction effect. I have tried with vitamin K and emodin and both turn the vitamin E solution pitch black when mixed, similar to the experiment with CoQ10 Peta mentioned in one of his articles.
     
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    Thanks. I also read it may flip over into an oxidant at doses above 1,100 IU.
    It is more effective than vitamin A or K, or iodine or selenium for lowering estrogen, from my use
    I will have to see how it feels when I'm not estrogen excessive (which I'm using it to treat but I want to know what effects it gives me in a healthy state)
     
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    When I click the link on the site it brings me to this thread, how do I purchase?
     
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    I think it says add to cart option
     
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    Sorry if this has been answered already, but what is the absorption rate through skin @haidut ? I tried a different Vit E and it had irritated my gut.

    Also any idea how far apart do Vit K and E need to be taken? I take A,D,K during breakfast and was thinking of taking B vitamins and E after lunch
     
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    Peat says about 30%-35% absorption of vitamin E/MCT combinations. I would firs take the vitamin K as it has relatively short half life and then 2-3 hours later the vitamin E.
     
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    Would you be kind enough to let me know if you experience the same effects on the 'new' formulation of Tocovit since Haidut purified into just the mixed tocopherols/policosanol? I’m having slightly different effects but I’m very keen to see if this new formulation induces menstruarion shortly after a large dose, as that would be a reliable marker of estrogen reduction. Thanks @whodathunkit.
     
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    Do you know that absorption percentage for oral use?

    And about the timing, do you think it is a good strategy to take vitamin K with breakfast, and vitamin A, D and E with lunch?
     
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    Timing should not matter as long as it is a few hours before/after the vitamin K. Probably better to use K/D first then a few hours later to use the E/A. Oral absorption should be close to 100%.
     
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    This is interesting. :): Any update from the Tocovit (vs Magnoil)-only approach?
     
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