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Really no one has any experience with the Supp?
I used to take a pre-workout (adipex) that had that among other ingredients. LOVED IT!!! ENERGY,MOOD,FAT LOSS!! Of course they discontinued it. Never taken 7 keto by itself ...let me know..Dear Members,
I couldn´t find much User-Infos about this Supp.
In Theory it sounds like a perfect Supp -> Increasing Metabolism without modulating sex-hormones...
What do you think - any experinces?
11-keto dht?Ras has warned against any kind of keto varieties.
11-keto dht?
11-keto-dht will soon be pulled from the store.My partner says that it gives him cognitive enhancement. He is 65. He uses 4 drops of Keto-DHT (topical every other day), 4 drops Pansterone (topical daily) and 1 drop Progest-E(orally daily). He also takes 50mg Pregnenolone (capsule formula) three times per week. He adores the combination. It took some time for us to get the stack right....this one works FOR HIM.
Wow. What brand is the best oneI know this is late (I'm new here) but when I started reading about DHEA supplementation I experimented with both DHEA and 7-Keto and found I felt better on 7-Keto. Recently saw that an NIH study found that it reduced desire for alcohol and that's consistent with my experience when I started taking it in 2006. I also lost weight without intentionally making any changes in diet or activity. Digestion seemed better and I got a congnitive boost. Less is more, so the 25mg dose works for me. It had no effect on my cycle (now menopausal) or body hair or any other obvious hormonal effects.
Now that I'm trying pregnenolone (to replace imparied adrenal function), I'm not sure if I need it. Trying now to understand how to optimize the conversions of pregnenolone in the body after taking it, and I think if conversions are happening as they're supposed to it may not be necessary anymore. Still only just learning about pregnenolone and brand new to Ray Peat.
Hi spudchick, from what I've read on this forum, pregnenolone still has a lot to be learned about, in order to really know how to optimize it consistently. Haidut, who produces and sells custom supplements, provides some good information on it on this thread: Optimal Dose Of Pregnenolone For Androgen Synthesis. Granted, you most likely don't want androgen synthesis, but it could still help to give understanding:I know this is late (I'm new here) but when I started reading about DHEA supplementation I experimented with both DHEA and 7-Keto and found I felt better on 7-Keto. Recently saw that an NIH study found that it reduced desire for alcohol and that's consistent with my experience when I started taking it in 2006. I also lost weight without intentionally making any changes in diet or activity. Digestion seemed better and I got a congnitive boost. Less is more, so the 25mg dose works for me. It had no effect on my cycle (now menopausal) or body hair or any other obvious hormonal effects.
Now that I'm trying pregnenolone (to replace imparied adrenal function), I'm not sure if I need it. Trying now to understand how to optimize the conversions of pregnenolone in the body after taking it, and I think if conversions are happening as they're supposed to it may not be necessary anymore. Still only just learning about pregnenolone and brand new to Ray Peat.
I think the smoking gun really is the lack of inhibition of progesterone from any dose pregnenolone. This is consistent with the human studies showing oral high dose pregnenolone raised progesterone and allopregnanolone more than anything else. The anti-androgen effects of high levels of progesterone in males are well known. So, to me the more important message is that pregnenolone in higher doses probably has anti-androgenic effects (libido aside).
Bottom line - high dose pregnenolone is definitely pro-progesterone and potentially androgen synthesis inhibiting as well. That may not have a direct effect on serum androgens but the overall tone of the organism will probably shift towards progesterone and as such will be anti-androgenic."
...which means for optimal androgen synthesis, less than 10mg pregnenolone per dose may be optimal to avoid inhibition of androstenedione and DHEA
In lower doses part of pregnenolone stays as pregnenolone and other parts get converted to downstream steroids like progesterone, DHEA and a number of pheromones which are only beginning to understand. Lower doses of pregnenolone are sedative in humans. There is an old study showing 1mg - 5mg pregnenolone dose improved sleep in stressed out people and most people on the forum using doses of 10mg or less reported sedative/calming effects.
Why don't you want androgen synthesis?you most likely don't want androgen synthesis,
I use NOW brand, partly because I have used it for other products and partly because they were the first one I could find at 25mg.Wow. What brand is the best one
Hi spudchick, from what I've read on this forum, pregnenolone still has a lot to be learned about, in order to really know how to optimize it consistently. Haidut, who produces and sells custom supplements, provides some good information on it on this thread: Optimal Dose Of Pregnenolone For Androgen Synthesis. Granted, you most likely don't want androgen synthesis, but it could still help to give understanding:
Haidut sells his own pregnenolone product and that thread:StressNon - Liquid Pregnenolone, has some info also--here is a excerpt:
With regard to 7-Keto, are you still taking it, and if so, can you conclude that it has not boosted/helped your adrenals--your reason for looking into pregnenolone?
When I say 'less is more', I mean that for myself since I find lower than recommended doses of anything (except maybe Mg) are often best. I take 25mg 7-keto twice a day unless I'm doing really well and then I can go down to AM only. Others, especially men, may do better on more.