Thoughts Of Nofap?

TypicalJock

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Hey guys so I was reviewing some of the old threads here on nofap and it seems that everyone has a mixed opinion on it
Which made my kinda lost.
I am on day 16 of nofap,currently doing to prevent hairloss and lower prolactin
but I feel very dopamine deprived
What are your thoughts on nofap?
 

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There is about a million threads on nofap and the forum is never going to agree unanimously, as you saw in the previous threads. This one will be no different!

If you feel better than you did before, keep doing it, if you don't, don't.
 
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There is about a million threads on nofap and the forum is never going to agree unanimously, as you saw in the previous threads. This one will be no different!

If you feel better than you did before, keep doing it, if you don't, don't.
thanks for the response!
I feel very dopamine deprived atm but I want to keep my prolactin low so I dont get further hairloss cuz that would be a problem for me
 

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thanks for the response!
I feel very dopamine deprived atm but I want to keep my prolactin low so I dont get further hairloss cuz that would be a problem for me

FWIW I think porn/excess masturbation is a major factor in the current trends in hair loss and prolactin. One of my elderly relatives commented how many bald young men there are these days, said it was unheard of to see someone in their 20s with hair loss, now it's the norm. Just trust how you feel.
 
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I've noticed that my social ebb and flow gets dramatically thrown off if I jerk off regularly. It's such an empty reward.

It also impacts my sleep quality, willingness to wake up quickly versus snoozing and drowsily waking up to speed.

Also puts a dent in my workout recovery between sets. Abstaining for a few days will even out the perceived effort of every set, but if my balls are depleted, the 'mind over matter' aspect of each set becomes significantly more challenging comparatively.
 

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I just need to say this. Just because men are more bald now than 70 years ago, doesnt mean its just because of availability of pornography. There are many other variables that come in to play here, like: EMF, increased toxins in the environment, worse food supply, not to mention the lack of organ meats in the diet, big increase in PUFAs, and I think the most important factor: poor health in mothers womb.
 

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I just need to say this. Just because men are more bald now than 70 years ago, doesnt mean its just because of availability of pornography. There are many other variables that come in to play here, like: EMF, increased toxins in the environment, worse food supply, not to mention the lack of organ meats in the diet, big increase in PUFAs, and I think the most important factor: poor health in mothers womb.

Of course, but why add an extra stress on top of all of that?
 

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I wouldnt call masturbation a stressor. It reduces cortisol, and the raise in prolactin isnt that significant.
 

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If you start it you should continue researching ideas and techniques because the metaphysical ramifications of fapping after a long semen retention streak and what all goes with it can be pretty serious. Whatever is going on behind the veil takes notice when u adjust ur vibrations via semen retention. I don’t think it’s to be played with lightly if u do it. I’m talking quitting fapping for good not about streaks of a few weeks here and there . It changes you as a man. I tested at 130+ iq a year into it after being a lifelong fapper and not doing particularly well in studies and now like two years in I feel way smarter than at that point so who knows what I’m at now. I feel a wider experienced if existence now and that went along with fixing metabolic health. I don’t think I carry so much fear anymore
 

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I wouldnt call masturbation a stressor. It reduces cortisol, and the raise in prolactin isnt that significant.

If you think it’s just about prolactin and cortisol than do u believe the essence of your conciousness is just other neurotransmitters to?
 

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I feel a wider experienced if existence now and that went along with fixing metabolic health. I don’t think I carry so much fear anymore
Please would you share how you fixed your metabolic health, what did you suffer from and what improved it.
 

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Hey guys so I was reviewing some of the old threads here on nofap and it seems that everyone has a mixed opinion on it
Which made my kinda lost.
I am on day 16 of nofap,currently doing to prevent hairloss and lower prolactin
but I feel very dopamine deprived
What are your thoughts on nofap?
I felt dopamine deprived at first too. I guess receptors and other things take time to resensitize. Ideally I think if you aren’t having sex regularly it’s better to cultivate the tone of your nervous system with things like Qi Gong, weightlifting, yoga, brief occasional cold exposure etc. There isn’t really any substitute for sex imo. Occasional masturbation isn’t likely going to ruin your life or health, but it’s better to focus on getting your life in order for a sexual relationship rather than put energy into masturbation and porn.
 

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Please would you share how you fixed your metabolic health, what did you suffer from and what improved it.
Coffee aspirin lots of easily digesting foods, sunlight, when it’s available, and continually letting go of built up neuroticisms , stressors
 

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I'm only a month into semen retention. I don't consider it "NoFap" as I masturbate occasionally. I simply keep my stimulation lower than normal, only very, very rarely even come close to 'edging' or actually edge, and do not ejaculate.

The benefits so far have been profound. I've been working out daily with only a couple days off, whereas before I was working out twice a week at the absolute most. I'm working on reprocessing sexual stimuli. It started because Rexulti caused severe premature ejaculation, so severe that I fear I may never actually be able to have sex again for the rest of my life and the damage may be permanent.

It started with that, and trying to psychologically reprogram my ejaculation response, but now it's taken on a whole life of its own.

Do not listen to the naysayers. You need to experience it for yourself. 16 days is great. Keep going and see how you feel. In my short experience so far, I've been through a couple miserable days, but it cleared up fairly soon. Those negative suicidal states used to linger much longer. Don't let them throw you off.

I would say not to be militant about masturbating. Stimulating yourself is not going to do any harm IMO as long as you're not edging constantly. I have been keeping it at about a 5 or 6 out of 10, let's say edging is an 8 and a 9.

Taoism is big on not sexually repressing yourself, but focusing on semen retention. And even then people are mixed, with some advocates saying you need to find an ejaculation schedule that works for you. For me right now I feel better just not ejaculating at all but am not in a relationship. And I have the demon of premature ejaculation on my back that is a pressing issue. I'm not sure if I'll ever be capable of non-orgasmic sex again (as I used to be) because of this medication, and the last 10 times I tried resulted in ejaculation immediately upon insertion, literally could not last even one thrust. It's just what it is, these medications can be absolutely evil. I've come to terms with it. But I mention that because my reasons for this journey are likely very different from yours. So keep that in mind.

I used to think it was BS until I started doing it. For me now, it's unequivocal that ejaculation is draining and should not be done recklessly. I did it recklessly until I was 30 years old and it got me nowhere. If just one month of retention has resulted in me having the energy to work out daily when I thought I was basically bedridden before, that basically tells me all I need to know. Placebo effect be damned.
 
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I'm only a month into semen retention. I don't consider it "NoFap" as I masturbate occasionally. I simply keep my stimulation lower than normal, only very, very rarely even come close to 'edging' or actually edge, and do not ejaculate.

The benefits so far have been profound. I've been working out daily with only a couple days off, whereas before I was working out twice a week at the absolute most. I'm working on reprocessing sexual stimuli. It started because Rexulti caused severe premature ejaculation, so severe that I fear I may never actually be able to have sex again for the rest of my life and the damage may be permanent.

It started with that, and trying to psychologically reprogram my ejaculation response, but now it's taken on a whole life of its own.

Do not listen to the naysayers. You need to experience it for yourself. 16 days is great. Keep going and see how you feel. In my short experience so far, I've been through a couple miserable days, but it cleared up fairly soon. Those negative suicidal states used to linger much longer. Don't let them throw you off.
Placebo effect be damned.
@Jib Please keep this thread updated with your progress, wishing you the very best overcoming PE :):
 

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And I have the demon of premature ejaculation
Have you thought about trying Cialis for premature ejaculation? Ive seen many reports showing that Cialis can help with this maybe worth a shot?
 

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@Jib Please keep this thread updated with your progress, wishing you the very best overcoming PE :):

I'll do my best. I hooked up with my ex tonight, made her orgasm, but did not ejaculate. She didn't stimulate me or touch me at all. I just used my hands. It was actually a relief not to have sex and for her not to touch me. However there is a lot of trauma from that relationship. One thing retention is teaching me is the value of my seed, and the emotional trauma that can result from carelessly throwing it around. There is so much trauma with her I don't think it's reconcilable at all. But I was horny and getting her off was a rush, and maintaining my clear headedness the whole time (and after) was interesting.

For the time being, I'm okay with the idea of giving women orgasms, even as casual partners, but have no interest in being stimulated myself, and certainly not ejaculating or intercourse. This is a personal issue though and has nothing to do with retention. I went through a lot of trauma with my ex that I won't get into (I mean actual trauma related to legitimate fear of finding her dead, but I won't get into that)...

...anyway. Tangent. But the premature ejaculation issue has been so traumatizing to me I've seriously felt I've had to accept the idea that at 30 years old I will never have sex again for the rest of my life. I've already mostly come to terms with that, but I certainly don't want to live like that. It's tempting to give up.

The only hope I have is perhaps finding a girl I can feel connected to. I feel extremely damaged at this point and completely averse to connection, but I could imagine if I could find any girl in the world I could feel remotely comfortable with, I might consider intercourse again. I used to really enjoy intercourse and a part of me would like to believe I don't have to go the rest of my entire life without it.

But the confidence that comes with retention? If that was the case, I can survive. I can live with that. Even if I don't like it. So to the OP -- I absolutely recommend semen retention for the mental and emotional control it can give you. The stability. Despite going through very difficult things. I seriously feel like even in one month, this journey has been turning me into a psychological titan. Things are just not bothering me like they used to.

Have you thought about trying Cialis for premature ejaculation? Ive seen many reports showing that Cialis can help with this maybe worth a shot?

It very well may be worth a shot. I'll keep that in mind. I've heard you can get this overseas as well without a prescription? Or perhaps online doctors that could prescribe it? I'm not in a situation where I would use it yet, but it may be worth experimenting with if I ever find another girl I would feel comfortable having intercourse with. I do have a small supply of Tramadol, which I've heard is good for PE, but don't want to squander it.

@TypicalJock

In what way do you feel dopamine deprived? Being a month in, I've consistently felt extremely "horny" and have used that energy to work out and focus on projects in my workshop, and more.

I've had a couple days where I felt absolutely miserable, but the norm has been feeling horny and redirecting that energy. If anything, I've been feeling like I've been taking a dopamine booster this whole time, like just powerful surges of energy I don't remember having since I was 18 or 19 years old 12 years ago.

What has been your experience feeling dopamine deprived? Has it varied at all, or since day 1 have you been feeling this way consistently? I want you to be successful on this journey.
 

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