This Is A Big Piece Of The Health Puzzle

[mt_dreams]

@Blossom

whole foods sells a gum called PUR for roughly $1 a pack. it has xylitol in it, though make sure to buy a flavor that does not include citric acid as I believe ellie said to avoid acid in gum and mint products. also if your saliva is alkaline you can rub your gums with a sterilized tooth brush which for me creates what seems like an oz of saliva.

ellie says to get the benefits of xylitol, you need to at least get 3g of it per day, with 5-10g being ideal. anything more than that will have no benefit.

 

[Blossom]

Thanks @mt_dreams. I will look for that brand of gum. If you don't mind me asking, how do you sterilize your toothbrush?

 

[Regina]

Thanks @meatbag!

 

[mt_dreams]

Thanks @mt_dreams. I will look for that brand of gum. If you don't mind me asking, how do you sterilize your toothbrush?

i swish it in a bit of natural listerine after every use like she mentioned. if money is not an issue, it would probably be even better to swish it in some closys before the listerine, though it would take another30 seconds or so, and the process already takes several mintues to do. i can't remeber if she said it was the alcohol or the ingredients in listerine that do the trick. if it's the alcohol, then i guess any alcohol would work. i dry the brushes on a south facing window sill in my sunroom. i bought the mouthwatchers toothbrushes which are anti-microbial. i've never felt brushes that feel as good as them. other types, even the bass brushes which are gentle would irratate me when using them on my gums.

 

[Blossom]

Hi @Regina!

i swish it in a bit of natural listerine after every use like she mentioned. if money is not an issue, it would probably be even better to swish it in some closys before the listerine, though it would take another30 seconds or so, and the process already takes several mintues to do. i can't remeber if she said it was the alcohol or the ingredients in listerine that do the trick. if it's the alcohol, then i guess any alcohol would work. i dry the brushes on a south facing window sill in my sunroom. i bought the mouthwatchers toothbrushes which are anti-microbial. i've never felt brushes that feel as good as them. other types, even the bass brushes which are gentle would irratate me when using them on my gums.

Thanks for the explanation. I really appreciate your help.

 

[ddjd]

Funny she doesn't mention vitamin K2 MK4. I use Carlson's powder capsules and open the caps and pour the powder into the cracks and crevices in my teeth and it completely heals them!

 

[ddjd]

Anyone else in Germany, this looks like a good xylitol gum and much cheaper than Ellie's

Xummi Spearmint Xylitol Gum

 

[whodathunkit]

I've been doing this program since early in Septembers. I use the Closys, make my own Listerine knock-up with grain alcohol, distilled water, xylitol, and essential oils of mint, and I rinse with granulated xylitol (half teaspoon in my mouth with a swig of water, slosh around until crystals dissolved). It definitely does help the plaque, and rinsing is superior to other, more aggressive forms of teeth cleaning.

I haven't read the whole thread since last time I contributed on Sept. 3, but in case no one else has noted this: BEWARE XYLITOL IF YOU HAVE ACID REFLUX.

I found out the hard way that xylitol is a known contributor to acid reflux, and if you already have a problem it can make it infinitely worse.

If you don't believe me, do a google search. Tons of evidence out there.

Even ingesting the small amounts the Zellie's mints causes an increase for me.

My experience ingesting xylitol has turned out to be a great thing for me because it made me realize I've had a "silent" acid reflux problem for a long time. The acute increase in acid reflux symptoms while ingesting xylitol allowed me to connect subacute twinges of symptoms that I've been experiencing for years (and attributed to other things) to acid reflux, and now I'm working to correct the problem.

BUT...the acute phase while ingesting xylitol was pretty bad, and it set me back on another healing trajectory I've been striving for. It's all related, but the short-term increase in acid reflux symptoms was a bad thing for me, even if it helped to change my long-term thinking.

I'm apparently still getting results from rinsing with xylitol, as evidenced by the comments of my hygienist during my last dental cleaning. And I'm also using it in my neti pot, as part of my sinus rinse.

But swallowing xylitol is a no-go for me. And again, anyone who has acid reflux should think twice before even using the mints.

 

[InChristAlone]

I've been doing this program since early in Septembers. I use the Closys, make my own Listerine knock-up with grain alcohol, distilled water, xylitol, and essential oils of mint, and I rinse with granulated xylitol (half teaspoon in my mouth with a swig of water, slosh around until crystals dissolved). It definitely does help the plaque, and rinsing is superior to other, more aggressive forms of teeth cleaning.

I haven't read the whole thread since last time I contributed on Sept. 3, but in case no one else has noted this: BEWARE XYLITOL IF YOU HAVE ACID REFLUX.

I found out the hard way that xylitol is a known contributor to acid reflux, and if you already have a problem it can make it infinitely worse.

If you don't believe me, do a google search. Tons of evidence out there.

Even ingesting the small amounts the Zellie's mints causes an increase for me.

My experience ingesting xylitol has turned out to be a great thing for me because it made me realize I've had a "silent" acid reflux problem for a long time. The acute increase in acid reflux symptoms while ingesting xylitol allowed me to connect subacute twinges of symptoms that I've been experiencing for years (and attributed to other things) to acid reflux, and now I'm working to correct the problem.

BUT...the acute phase while ingesting xylitol was pretty bad, and it set me back on another healing trajectory I've been striving for. It's all related, but the short-term increase in acid reflux symptoms was a bad thing for me, even if it helped to change my long-term thinking.

I'm apparently still getting results from rinsing with xylitol, as evidenced by the comments of my hygienist during my last dental cleaning. And I'm also using it in my neti pot, as part of my sinus rinse.

But swallowing xylitol is a no-go for me. And again, anyone who has acid reflux should think twice before even using the mints.

I had a thought about silent reflux last night as some food burped up and I wondered if some of my teeth problems are an acid reflux problem. I will keep this in mind about the xylitol. Sugar alcohols I guess are really not that great to ingest.

 

[Lilac]

I, too, have not done the xylitol program to the letter. At first, I thought the xylitol was causing headache. I'm not sure about that now. But something makes tells me xylitol is not agreeable for my system. I have a bag of American birch xylitol (got it on Amazon), and I occasionally dissolve some in my mouth, then spit it out. Usually after I have had something sugary or acidic and bad for the teeth.

I also want to recommend brushing the gums, as recommended by Dr. Ellie. The brushing seemed to bring up little sores on my gums or the fleshy part of my mouth and even once on the tip of my tongue. I like to think that each sore was a latent problem resolving.

 

[whodathunkit]

I had a thought about silent reflux last night as some food burped up and I wondered if some of my teeth problems are an acid reflux problem. I will keep this in mind about the xylitol. Sugar alcohols I guess are really not that great to ingest.

I think it's been a major player in the sinus/tooth issue I'm battling at the moment. I don't have time to go into too much detail, but dental issues that also involve the bone in my sinus cavity is one thing my experience with xylitol clarified for me, with regards to silent acid reflux.

My symptoms over the years have been minor, not the burning of classic GERD (although once in a while I would get that, but seldom), but in hindsight they add up, especially the sinus issues. GERD is apparently a huge player in sinus problems. There are other things that contributed to the sinus issue for me, but again, the acute symptoms I got with xylitol allowed me to pinpoint the minor, chronic symptoms that were probably due to acid.

Absent xylitol, total daily fat, overeating, and the time I eat are the major players in reflux. I can tell now when I get a stuffy nose, that's an indication the reflux is acting up again.

Sadly, I've also had to revise downward my definition of what "overeating" is. And I only eat very lightly (like broth and a piece of fruit, something like that) after 6p. I like to be done eating by about 5p, but that's not always possible.

 

[sladerunner69]

Natural toothpicks in teatree oil have been very useful for me to pick plaque of my teeth that inevitably augments all over my gumline from drinking coffee and milk and eating fruit all day... i think maintaining a plaque free mouth will go a long way in preventing the acidic environment that has been demonstrated time and again to decay the human tooth

 

[whodathunkit]

Natural toothpicks in teatree oil have been very useful for me to pick plaque of my teeth that inevitably augments all over my gumline from drinking coffee and milk and eating fruit all day... i think maintaining a plaque free mouth will go a long way in preventing the acidic environment that has been demonstrated time and again to decay the human tooth

That was the other thing that I think kicked this whole problem with my teeth/jaw/sinus...eating Peaty. The acidification of the coffee and sugar, plus IMO all the gelatin just cemented the acid and sugar to teeth, giving the bad plaque bacteria a never-ending buffet. Add to that food particles and bad gut bacteria carried up into the back of the throat and sinuses along with the acid...ew.

Bacteria got around one of my dental implants and then went into the jawbone. Bad business. I was on clindamycin for almost two months to get the resulting acute infection under control.

I don't think it's any coincidence at all that this only happened to me after a year of experimenting with coffee, gelatin and sugar as is recommended so frequently around here. I cut the coffee and sugar and feel so much better for it. I don't need the coffee (I suspect most of us don't) and the only sugar I get is from fruit and OJ. Still doing gelatin and stuff like oxtail broth, though.

Good news is that this protocol seems to go a long way towards cleaning up the mouth and keeping it bacteria free, since bad bacteria apparently can't make a meal out of xylitol. Also seems to buffer the acid. Even though I can't ingest xylitol I can still keep my teeth and gums more or less bathed in it by rinsing after every time I eat. It seems to work. Putting xylitol in a neti pot along with saline is effective, too.​

 

[Blossom]

@achillea or anyone else doing Dr. Ellie's program:
I'm hoping for some opinions on how to handle days when it's impossible to do the entire mouth care regimen twice per day. Currently a couple times per week I pull a 16 hour night shift at work and can only manage to do the routine completely once a day during those times. So far I'm just chewing the zellie's gum when I work but I've been considering using the ACT rinse on those nights as well. My main issue right now seems to be demineralization. I'd be grateful for your input!

 

[michael94]

That was the other thing that I think kicked this whole problem with my teeth/jaw/sinus...eating Peaty. The acidification of the coffee and sugar, plus IMO all the gelatin just cemented the acid and sugar to teeth, giving the bad plaque bacteria a never-ending buffet. Add to that food particles and bad gut bacteria carried up into the back of the throat and sinuses along with the acid...ew.

Bacteria got around one of my dental implants and then went into the jawbone. Bad business. I was on clindamycin for almost two months to get the resulting acute infection under control.

I don't think it's any coincidence at all that this only happened to me after a year of experimenting with coffee, gelatin and sugar as is recommended so frequently around here. I cut the coffee and sugar and feel so much better for it. I don't need the coffee (I suspect most of us don't) and the only sugar I get is from fruit and OJ. Still doing gelatin and stuff like oxtail broth, though.

Good news is that this protocol seems to go a long way towards cleaning up the mouth and keeping it bacteria free, since bad bacteria apparently can't make a meal out of xylitol. Also seems to buffer the acid. Even though I can't ingest xylitol I can still keep my teeth and gums more or less bathed in it by rinsing after every time I eat. It seems to work. Putting xylitol in a neti pot along with saline is effective, too.​

I posted a link talking about this in one of my threads, but Ill repost. This doctor uses lactoferrin and xylitol to save the limbs of diabetic patients. Very pertinent interview: Interview with Dr. Randall Wolcott, bacterial biofilm wound specialist

 

[lollipop]

@achillea or anyone else doing Dr. Ellie's program:
I'm hoping for some opinions on how to handle days when it's impossible to do the entire mouth care regimen twice per day. Currently a couple times per week I pull a 16 hour night shift at work and can only manage to do the routine completely once a day during those times. So far I'm just chewing the zellie's gum when I work but I've been considering using the ACT rinse on those nights as well. My main issue right now seems to be demineralization. I'd be grateful for your input!

Hi @Blossom. I use xylitol candies homemade to survive these kind of days. Scroll back in this thread for the recipe or PM me and I will upload a detailed recipe that I have figured out.

Actually truth is my husband and I do not do full regime but have gotten crazy amazing results. Here is what I do;

*Use Crest 2-3 days a week - and earthpaste the rest of the days. (I threw out all my glycerin toothpaste)

*On crest days rinse with a clean mouthwash like Listerine called Dr. Tichner’s. Then follow with a xylitol candy.

*On earthpaste Days put a small piece of xylitol candy and let it dissolve with saliva and swish in mouth for 3-5 min and spit out.

*We use the toothbrush she recommends.

*Stopped using floss.

*Use a piece of xylitol candy after every single thing I eat or drink and try to wait an hour in between eating or drinking something to let my saliva work on my teeth.

*Truth is sometimes I only brush once a day - sooo busy. Just before bed, I have a xylitol for overnight bacteria feast - lol.

Amazing difference for us

 

[InChristAlone]

Still doing the system, without the ACT rinse, I do everything else, just rinse with water after the Listerine. And it's going well. I think I'm going to cancel my next cleaning in a couple months. I feel it has not been enough time to get my teeth scraped again. And they will assume I need it since every other time was bad. But I suspect the aggressive scraping is what has caused cavities near the gumline, they weren't there before I started getting the aggressive cleanings.

 

[Blossom]

Thanks @lisaferraro and @Janelle525! I read about your candies lisaferraro and they sound wonderful. Hopefully I will get back to a place in life soon where I have time to make them.

I think I'm noticing some slight improvement already in less than 1 week since starting the cloSYS, crest, listerine, ACT and xylitol combo. I've just been cleaning my toothbrush since it was only a couple days old when I first read this thread.

It seems from your replies that even if you can't or don't do all parts of the regimen it's still beneficial. I appreciate it ladies!

 

[achillea]

In her book Dr. Ellie remarked that she was amazed how the patients that used only the Crest anticavity had the healthiest mouths. She specifically calls it a TOTAL oral health system to get the best results but has emphasized the xylitol and clean toothbrush and Crest Anticavity.

In her last interview she talked about the importance of gently massaging the gums to get blood into them.

We have always known how important oral health was but this is the first time we have a scientifically and experientially verified methodology.

 

[Blossom]

Thanks @achillea! I'll just try to brush with crest when I work a long shift and keep up with the xylitol!