The US postal service (USPS) is apparently a domestic spy agency

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Bizarre...or quite expected? Not sure, but apparently even the lawyer who was reviewing the illegal NSA surveillance program is at a loss to explain why the USPS is involved in domestic surveillance. At least NSA has a legitimate need/interest to do that based on its mission/charter, even though it did the surveillance illegally.
Interestingly enough, this is not the first time USPS has been caught red-handed. Back in 2015 the CBS journalist Sherryl Atkinson sued the federal govt for illegal surveillance and hacking into her computer using the USPS network. The attacks came from a USPS IP address, as one of the ZH users commented. Apparently, no agency of the federal govt is what it seems. They may be all actually surveillance/enforcement agencies simply doing other things "on the side" - i.e. the side gig of USPS is delivering mail...when it is not busy spying on us.
So, if the USPS is a rogue intelligence agency, maybe it is not far-fetched at all for them to compromise...say...mail-in votes and, as such, a Presidential election!

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"...The US Postal Service (USPS) has been running a secret program to track and collect Americans' social media posts - including those about planned protests, according to a document obtained by Yahoo News. The surveillance program - operated by the law enforcement arm of the USPS, is known as iCOP or "Internet Covert Operations Program" - has not been previously made public according to the report."
"..."Analysts with the United States Postal Inspection Service (USPIS) Internet Covert Operations Program (iCOP) monitored significant activity regarding planned protests occurring internationally and domestically on March 20, 2021," reads a government bulletin dated March 16, marked as "law enforcement sensitive" and distributed throughout the Department of Homeland Security's fusion centers. "Locations and times have been identified for these protests, which are being distributed online across multiple social media platforms, to include right-wing leaning Parler and Telegram accounts." The report cites intelligence that 'a number of groups were expected to gather in cities around the globe on March 20 as part of a World Wide Rally for Freedom and Democracy' against pandemic lockdown measures. "Parler users have commented about their intent to use the rallies to engage in violence. Image 3 on the right is a screenshot from Parler indicating two users discussing the event as an opportunity to engage in a ‘fight’ and to ‘do serious damage,’" reads the bulletin," though it hedges with "No intelligence is available to suggest the legitimacy of these threats." The bulletin includes screenshots of posts concerning the protests from Facebook, Parler, Telegram and other social media sites (only one of which - Parler - was 'canceled' by big tech). "iCOP analysts are currently monitoring these social media channels for any potential threats stemming from the scheduled protests and will disseminate intelligence updates as needed," reads the bulletin."
"..."It's a mystery" said University of Chicago law professor Geoffrey Stone - who was appointed by President Obama to review the National Security Agency's bulk data collection program revealed by Edward Snowden. "I don’t understand why the government would go to the Postal Service for examining the internet for security issues."


Comment from one of the ZH users, reminding the public that USPS was probably the rogue agency that hacked into her computer on orders from DOJ and Obama's inner circle.
"[Ponchoramic]: Sharyl Attkisson found out that Rod Rosenstein used the FBI and a USPS IP address to spy and hack her and her family's computers, for years, during the Zero administration."

"...In March 2015, Attkisson and her family filed suit in the Superior Court of the District of Columbia against Holder, Postmaster General Patrick R. Donahoe, and unnamed agents of the US Department of Justice, the US Postal Service and the United States, alleging that they had been subject to illegal surveillance activities.[61][62]"
 

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"...The US Postal Service (USPS) has been running a secret program to track and collect Americans' social media posts - including those about planned protests, according to a document obtained by Yahoo News. The surveillance program - operated by the law enforcement arm of the USPS, is known as iCOP or "Internet Covert Operations Program" - has not been previously made public according to the report."

Wow. So, in addition to delivering the mail, the USPS is also an intelligence agency, AND has their own police force.

The are also specifically names as a "Financial Institution" in the US Code (see 2V)-

 

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this website is surely being tracked right? just based off key words that show up on some database. they probably track everything on the internet, there is no privacy anywhere. not that this website is meant to be private, but the government shouldn't be surveiling it
 
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Business Insider picked it up.

I wonder if this can be used in a future lawsuit to challenge the 2020 election results. I mean, if the agency in charge of transporting/securing the very "votes" that decided the election is in the business of domestic spying, intelligence and law enforcement, how can one be sure the piece of mail they deliver (votes in this case) are not compromised??
 
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Wow. So, in addition to delivering the mail, the USPS is also an intelligence agency, AND has their own police force.

The are also specifically names as a "Financial Institution" in the US Code (see 2V)-


I guess the fact that the US Postmaster General is 4th or 5th in line of succession in case of catastrophic events is not a coincidence. I wonder how much there is we don't know about the "postal" agency...
 
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It seems they are all part of the empire with friendly front businesses but primarily dark forces in practice.
NASA, the Space Force, NSA, darpa, google, facebook, twitter, patreon. And obviously NATO, UN, WHO, CDC, CIA, etc.......
Should we make up fluffy names for what we want to talk about?
 
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It seems they are all part of the empire with friendly front businesses but primarily dark forces in practice.
NASA, the Space Force, NSA, darpa, google, facebook, twitter, patreon. And obviously NATO, UN, WHO, CDC, CIA, etc.......
Should we make up fluffy names for what we want to talk about?

I don't think it matters. They know about us and we know about them. Might as well keep talking about them openly...for posterity and the undecided souls who stumble upon this forum through non-censored search engines.
 

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I don't think it matters. They know about us and we know about them. Might as well keep talking about them openly...for posterity and the undecided souls who stumble upon this forum through non-censored search engines.
True that. I like the 'just tell the truth' way.
 

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This news site reports that the spying on Americans by the post office was politically motivated:
 

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Bizarre...or quite expected? Not sure, but apparently even the lawyer who was reviewing the illegal NSA surveillance program is at a loss to explain why the USPS is involved in domestic surveillance. At least NSA has a legitimate need/interest to do that based on its mission/charter, even though it did the surveillance illegally.
Interestingly enough, this is not the first time USPS has been caught red-handed. Back in 2015 the CBS journalist Sherryl Atkinson sued the federal govt for illegal surveillance and hacking into her computer using the USPS network. The attacks came from a USPS IP address, as one of the ZH users commented. Apparently, no agency of the federal govt is what it seems. They may be all actually surveillance/enforcement agencies simply doing other things "on the side" - i.e. the side gig of USPS is delivering mail...when it is not busy spying on us.
So, if the USPS is a rogue intelligence agency, maybe it is not far-fetched at all for them to compromise...say...mail-in votes and, as such, a Presidential election!
The USPS wants to mine and sell data gathered from your mail
2:09 PM 04/16/2014

The United States Postal Service is looking to get in on the big-data-for-profit game played by tech giants like Facebook and Google, and begin mining and selling private data gathered from personal mail sent from and received by Americans everywhere.

USPS chief marketing and sales officer Nagisa Manabe recently told the forward-looking PostalVision 2020 conference that the post office is “actively looking for ways to build new business lines around what not long ago might have been considered science fiction,” eCommerce Bytes reports.

[defunct link may find on the wayback machine:]

While some of those ideas included new delivery services from partnerships like grocery chains, others seek to increase revenues from advertising by mining, storing and analyzing customer data. By mapping those datasets and determining consumer behavior, advertisers and retailers could target more effectively through traditional mail, much the same way Facebook and Google target ads based on search, profile, email and other data.

Manabe described an example scenario in which a woman test drives two different types of cars and two different dealerships while trying to decide which to buy.
“We’re at the point where, all too soon… We’re going to know exactly that she was shopping at two different car dealers looking at cars, and both of those car dealers should be mailing her communication about that vehicle, right?” Manabe said. “And we’re there now, folks. I mean, you all know this. There are dozens of folks out there who are supplying that kind of information. If we’re not testing and exploring some of that together, we should.”

Manabe described the obvious marketing opportunity as too big for USPS to pass up in the emerging digital world.

“As we know more and more about how consumers are traveling around and making their decisions, it behooves us to get involved and actually send them information to actually close the deal,” Manabe said. “For me, it’s all about speed and accuracy of the mail.”

Similar practices have been employed by Silicon Valley’s biggest companies for years, but have recently come under increased scrutiny since the disclosures of widespread National Security Agency bulk Internet and telephone data collection and surveillance programs were leaked by former contractor Edward Snowden last year.

The agency recently revealed private companies like Facebook, Google and others cooperated with one of NSA’s biggest Internet surveillance programs after months of denial, raising the potential for similar and ever greater cooperation between federal intelligence agencies like NSA and an independent agency like USPS.
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I guess the fact that the US Postmaster General is 4th or 5th in line of succession in case of catastrophic events is not a coincidence. I wonder how much there is we don't know about the "postal" agency...

Benjamin Franklin is the only man who's picture appears on dollar bills that wasn't a President. But, he was Postmaster General.
 

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The paranoia of the ruling class is impressive, they clearly engage in conspiracy theories about what the masses might be doing. Ted Kaczynski probably set this madness off.

You can’t even get mail delivered in peace these days, dogs have it right about the postman.
 
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The USPS wants to mine and sell data gathered from your mail
2:09 PM 04/16/2014

The United States Postal Service is looking to get in on the big-data-for-profit game played by tech giants like Facebook and Google, and begin mining and selling private data gathered from personal mail sent from and received by Americans everywhere.

USPS chief marketing and sales officer Nagisa Manabe recently told the forward-looking PostalVision 2020 conference that the post office is “actively looking for ways to build new business lines around what not long ago might have been considered science fiction,” eCommerce Bytes reports.

[defunct link may find on the wayback machine:]

While some of those ideas included new delivery services from partnerships like grocery chains, others seek to increase revenues from advertising by mining, storing and analyzing customer data. By mapping those datasets and determining consumer behavior, advertisers and retailers could target more effectively through traditional mail, much the same way Facebook and Google target ads based on search, profile, email and other data.

Manabe described an example scenario in which a woman test drives two different types of cars and two different dealerships while trying to decide which to buy.
“We’re at the point where, all too soon… We’re going to know exactly that she was shopping at two different car dealers looking at cars, and both of those car dealers should be mailing her communication about that vehicle, right?” Manabe said. “And we’re there now, folks. I mean, you all know this. There are dozens of folks out there who are supplying that kind of information. If we’re not testing and exploring some of that together, we should.”

Manabe described the obvious marketing opportunity as too big for USPS to pass up in the emerging digital world.

“As we know more and more about how consumers are traveling around and making their decisions, it behooves us to get involved and actually send them information to actually close the deal,” Manabe said. “For me, it’s all about speed and accuracy of the mail.”

Similar practices have been employed by Silicon Valley’s biggest companies for years, but have recently come under increased scrutiny since the disclosures of widespread National Security Agency bulk Internet and telephone data collection and surveillance programs were leaked by former contractor Edward Snowden last year.

The agency recently revealed private companies like Facebook, Google and others cooperated with one of NSA’s biggest Internet surveillance programs after months of denial, raising the potential for similar and ever greater cooperation between federal intelligence agencies like NSA and an independent agency like USPS.
[source]

Imagine how much data the NSA/CIA have on regular people they can monetize. It will probably make even Facebook salivate...
 
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this website is surely being tracked right? just based off key words that show up on some database. they probably track everything on the internet, there is no privacy anywhere. not that this website is meant to be private, but the government shouldn't be surveiling it

At this point, you can safely assume anything on the Internet or coming from a device connected to the Internet is being tracked. The govt (in all countries) has always treated "laws" as guidelines (at best) instead of actual laws, so things like "should" and "shouldn't" don't really figure much in their thinking. The first rule of military analysis is always to "judge capabilities, not intentions/constraints/laws". If a capability exists and can be used for a power grab, it probably will. I find that true just about any entity of power/authority.
 

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At this point, you can safely assume anything on the Internet or coming from a device connected to the Internet is being tracked. The govt (in all countries) has always treated "laws" as guidelines (at best) instead of actual laws, so things like "should" and "shouldn't" don't really figure much in their thinking. The first rule of military analysis is always to "judge capabilities, not intentions/constraints/laws". If a capability exists and can be used for a power grab, it probably will. I find that true just about any entity of power/authority.

Yep. Bill Binney basically said this is the case, and has been since at least October 2001-


View: https://www.bitchute.com/video/gZFckcWjtQE/


Notice how he says 100% of anything done online, but many activites that you think of "offline" as well, like going for a walk with your cellphone and such.
 

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At this point, you can safely assume anything on the Internet or coming from a device connected to the Internet is being tracked. The govt (in all countries) has always treated "laws" as guidelines (at best) instead of actual laws, so things like "should" and "shouldn't" don't really figure much in their thinking. The first rule of military analysis is always to "judge capabilities, not intentions/constraints/laws". If a capability exists and can be used for a power grab, it probably will. I find that true just about any entity of power/authority.
be on the look out for more and more "cyber attack" false flags, all so the NSA and CIA can come in and create "patches" for private companies. The capabilities will continue to be expanded, although thats no surprise.

 

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At this point, you can safely assume anything on the Internet or coming from a device connected to the Internet is being tracked. The govt (in all countries) has always treated "laws" as guidelines (at best) instead of actual laws, so things like "should" and "shouldn't" don't really figure much in their thinking. The first rule of military analysis is always to "judge capabilities, not intentions/constraints/laws". If a capability exists and can be used for a power grab, it probably will. I find that true just about any entity of power/authority.
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