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I look at it as a simple rephrasing of Peat's writings, nothing more.

This disturbs me even more then.

The only way to legitimately write your comments I quoted would be to have it happen to you, and to see it applied in the same way by others and have the same result (ie consciousness "regenerated", feel "reborn", "Like a child" again, and eat what you need when you want).

If it's just you re-writing your interpretation of Peat's words, then you definitely shouldn't be writing things like this, as really there is no evidence for it from your point of view. Only if you've worked with clients over an extended period and seen these results replicate themselves can you make those type of exceptianlly bold statements.

What does "consciousness regenerated" even mean? Or to feel "reborn"?
As I was editing above, while you were posting, I think we are in complete agreement here. The substance of claims, for me, should be individually verifiable, especially because it is very unlikely you can control for variables in data samples; there are simply too many known, and unknown variables.

I'm working to try to make a kind of open source program for everyone, that will allow you to replicate (or not) the results I've achieved.

The way I've come to understand what Peat means by consciousness and regeneration is to search in toxinless.com for the words 'consciousness' and 'regeneration'. And I'm not claiming I do understand it the same way you might. I only know what it feels like for me to come back from near dead, and to be reborn and just as vital and young now as I have ever been, even in childhood.

I really believe we can all do this, all be reborn this way, no matter how sick or old we may seem to be. I'm working to share how I, at least, have done it (but there may be others here who have done it too, milklove, such_saturation, pboy, perhaps in their own way), so that we all may try and discover for ourselves in our own way.
 

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I think it is very important for this forum that this thread has been started. I see many people here obsessing over small details of their diet and the dosing of supplements, but they totally neglect environmental factors.
I tried fixing my health by eating a perfect diet and supplementing everything my body could possibly need. Needless to say, it didn't work. I only regained my health when I started to look at environmental factors like light, co2 and positive stimulation and I now my health is definitely above average.
Peat himself is not a big fan of supplements as many of you are probably aware.

Using a CO2 tank gave me a lot of benefits, but since I am travelling quite a bit at the moment, I find the co2 tank very unpractical. So I wanted to try the nebulizer idea. I ordered myself a portable nebulizer and I am pleased that its use is of low noise level (and not like a helicopter as mentioned by some ;) ).
Somehow the effects of breathing sodium bicarbonate are not immediate as with pure co2, but at least for me they seem to stay a lot longer. I will keep you all posted on my results in the next days, but it looks like I will swap my co2 tank with a nebulizer even at home.

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You said that you experienced a tightening of your chest and an irritation of your nose. This normally shouldn't happen and it sounds to me like the particle size produced by your nebulizer is too big for your lungs. I experienced the same symptoms when the particle size produced by my nebulizer was too big, but now I don't really feel that I am breathing in something. It is a comfortable feeling.
This also might impair the delivery of the sodium bicarbonate.
 

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It is the particle size of the aerosolized substance that can irritate the airways and cause wheezing. I haven't tried the inhaled sodium bicarbonate yet but plan on doing so this weekend. I'll report back on the experience.
 

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It is the particle size of the aerosolized substance that can irritate the airways and cause wheezing. I haven't tried the inhaled sodium bicarbonate yet but plan on doing so this weekend. I'll report back on the experience.

You can also try lowering the concentration of the Sodium Bicarbonate solution in the beginning, from say 8g/100 ml saturated solution to 2g/100 ml water. I am experimenting both with the nebulizer and pure CO2 atm, and while I am fine with 8g/100 sat solution, my 14 year old son cant handle it and I have to dilute with half for him to tolerate it.

It's still early days but 1 thing I have noticed is a definite lowering of Diastolic BP of 10-15 points, at least during the inhalation and a bit less after that. By the same time the next day my BP is back to its old level though. I am also much more generally relaxed and breathe more slowly with the added benefit of more open nostrils after.

BTW, I have no issues with VisionofStrength and regard his inputs of high value. I'll be one of the first to call him out if I think he tries to abuse his "expertness" :) :D
 

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Milklove said:
Using a CO2 tank gave me a lot of benefits, but since I am travelling quite a bit at the moment, I find the co2 tank very unpractical.

Hi Milklove

You get these very small regulators you screw onto an small 16gram disposable CO2 cartridge. They should be perfect for travel purposes.

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Forgot to add, they are quite cheap too. About $12-$15 for the regulator and $1-50 for a 16g co2 cartridge if you buy them in bulk.
 
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The way I've come to understand what Peat means by consciousness and regeneration is to search in toxinless.com for the words 'consciousness' and 'regeneration'. And I'm not claiming I do understand it the same way you might. I only know what it feels like for me to come back from near dead, and to be reborn and just as vital and young now as I have ever been, even in childhood.

I really believe we can all do this, all be reborn this way, no matter how sick or old we may seem to be. I'm working to share how I, at least, have done it (but there may be others here who have done it too, milklove, such_saturation, pboy, perhaps in their own way), so that we all may try and discover for ourselves in our own way.
P.S. In hindsight, I'm sorry I assumed that the effect of CO2 on regeneration was not at all in dispute. But I see that my friend Sukerbuik has his doubts, too, that anything in Peat's writings speaks to this thesis. Here, I'll just post for your own interpretation a number of Peatisms on the topic; please enjoy:
Ray Peat said:
“Over the oxygen supply of the body carbon dioxide spreads its protecting wings.”
- Friedrich Miescher, Swiss physiologist, 1885

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“People who live at very high altitudes live significantly longer; they have a lower incidence of cancer (Weinberg, et al., 1987) and heart disease (Mortimer, et al., 1977), and other degenerative conditions, than people who live near sea level. As I have written earlier, I think the lower energy transfer from cosmic radiation is likely to be a factor in their longevity, but several kinds of evidence indicate that it is the lower oxygen pressure itself that makes the biggest contribution to their longevity.”

“The end product of respiration is carbon dioxide, and it is an essential component of the life process. The ability to produce and retain enough carbon dioxide is as important for longevity as the ability to conserve enough heat to allow chemical reactions to occur as needed.

Carbon dioxide protects cells in many ways. By bonding to amino groups, it can inhibit the glycation of proteins during oxidative stress, and it can limit the formation of free radicals in the blood; inhibition of xanthine oxidase is one mechanism (Shibata, et al., 1998). It can reduce inflammation caused by endotoxin/LPS, by lowering the formation of tumor necrosis factor, IL-8 and other promoters of inflammation (Shimotakahara, et al., 2008). It protects mitochondria (Lavani, et al., 2007), maintaining (or even increasing) their ability to respire during stress.

The “replicative lifespan” of a cell can be shortened by factors like resveratrol or estrogen that interfere with mitochondrial production of carbon dioxide. Both of those chemicals cause skin cells, keratinocytes, to stop dividing, to take up calcium, and to begin producing the horny material keratin, that allows superficial skin cells to form an effective barrier. This process normally occurs as these cells differentiate from the basal (stem) cells and, by multiplying, move farther outward away from the underlying blood vessels that provide the nutrients that are oxidized to form carbon dioxide, and as they get farther from the blood supply, they get closer to the external air, which contains less than 1% as much CO2 as the blood. This normally causes their eventual hardening into the keratin cells, but when conditions are optimal, numerous layers of moist, translucent cells that give the skin the characteristic appearance of youth, will be retained between the basal cells and the condensed surface layers. (Wilke, et al., 1988)

In other types of tissue, a high level of carbon dioxide has a similar stabilizing effect on cells, preserving stem cells, limiting stress and preventing loss of function. In the lining of the mouth, where the oxygen tension is lower, and carbon dioxide higher, the cells don’t form as much keratin as the skin cells do. In the uterus, the lining cells would behave similarly, except that estrogen stimulates keratinization. A vitamin A deficiency mimics an estrogen excess, and can cause excessive keratinization of membrane cells.”

“Certain kinds of behavior, as well as nutrition and other environmental factors, increase the production and retention of carbon dioxide. The normal intrauterine level of carbon dioxide is high, and it can be increased or decreased by changes in the mother’s physiology. The effects of carbon dioxide on many biological processes involving methylation and acetylation of the genetic material suggest that the concentration of carbon dioxide during gestation might regulate the degree to which parental imprinting will persist in the developing fetus. There is some evidence of increased demethylation associated with the low level of oxygen in the uterus (Wellman, et al., 2008). A high metabolic rate and production of carbon dioxide would increase the adaptability of the new organism, by decreasing the limiting genetic imprints.”

“Frogs and toads, being amphibians, are especially dependent on water, and in deserts or areas with a dry season they can survive a prolonged dry period by burrowing into mud or sand. Since they may be buried 10 or 11 inches below the surface, they are rarely found, and so haven’t been extensively studied. In species that live in the California desert, they have been known to survive 5 years of burial without rainfall, despite a moderately warm average temperature of their surroundings. One of their known adaptations is to produce a high level of urea, allowing them to osmotically absorb and retain water. (Very old people sometimes have extremely high urea and osmotic tension.)

Some laboratory studies show that as a toad burrows into mud, the amount of carbon dioxide in its tissues increases. Their skin normally functions like a lung, exchanging oxygen for carbon dioxide. If the toad’s nostrils are at the surface of the mud, as dormancy begins its breathing will gradually slow, increasing the carbon dioxide even more. Despite the increasing carbon dioxide, the pH is kept stable by an increase of bicarbonate (Boutilier, et al., 1979). A similar increase of bicarbonate has been observed in hibernating hamsters and doormice.

Thinking about the long dormancy of frogs reminded me of a newspaper story I read in the 1950s. Workers breaking up an old concrete structure found a dormant toad enclosed in the concrete, and it revived soon after being released. The concrete had been poured decades earlier.

Although systematic study of frogs or toads during their natural buried estivation has been very limited, there have been many reports of accidental discoveries that suggest that the dormant state might be extended indefinitely if conditions are favorable. Carbon dioxide has antioxidant effects, and many other stabilizing actions, including protection against hypoxia and the excitatory effects of intracellular calcium and inflammation (Baev, et al., 1978, 1995; Bari, et al., 1996; Brzecka, 2007; Kogan, et al., 1994; Malyshev, et al., 1995).”

“Bats have a very high metabolic rate, and an extremely long lifespan for an animal of their size. While most animals of their small size live only a few years, many bats live a few decades. Bat caves usually have slightly more carbon dioxide than the outside atmosphere, but they usually contain a large amount of ammonia, and bats maintain a high serum level of carbon dioxide, which protects them from the otherwise toxic effects of the ammonia.

The naked mole rat, another small animal with an extremely long lifespan (in captivity they have lived up to 30 years, 9 or 10 times longer than mice of the same size) has a low basal metabolic rate, but I think measurements made in laboratories might not represent their metabolic rate in their natural habitat. They live in burrows that are kept closed, so the percentage of oxygen is lower than in the outside air, and the percentage of carbon dioxide ranges from 0.2% to 5% (atmospheric CO2 is about 0.038). The temperature and humidity in their burrows can be extremely high, and to be very meaningful their metabolic rate would have to be measured when their body temperature is raised by the heat in the burrow.”

“Besides living in a closed space with a high carbon dioxide content, mole rats have another similarity to bees. In each colony, there is only one female that reproduces, the queen, and, like a queen bee, she is the largest individual in the colony. In beehives, the workers carefully regulate the carbon dioxide concentration, which varies from about 0.2% to 6%, similar to that of the mole rat colony. A high carbon dioxide content activates the ovaries of a queen bee, increasing her fertility.

Since queen bees and mole rats live in the dark, I think their high carbon dioxide compensates for the lack of light. (Both light and CO2 help to maintain oxidative metabolism and inhibit lactic acid formation.) Mole rats are believed to sleep very little. During the night, normal people tolerate more CO2, and so breathe less, especially near morning, with increased active dreaming sleep.

A mole rat has never been known to develop cancer. Their serum C-reactive protein is extremely low, indicating that they are resistant to inflammation. In humans and other animals that are susceptible to cancer, one of the genes that is likely to be silenced by stress, aging, and methylation is p53, a tumor-suppressor gene.

If the intrauterine experience, with low oxygen and high carbon dioxide, serves to “reprogram” cells to remove the accumulated effects of age and stress, and so to maximize the developmental potential of the new organism, a life that’s lived with nearly those levels of oxygen and carbon dioxide might be able to avoid the progressive silencing of genes and loss of function that cause aging and degenerative diseases.”



“I think of high altitude as analogous to the protected gestational state. (Both progesterone and carbon dioxide are increased in people adapted to high altitude.) Respiratory acidosis, meaning the retention of carbon dioxide, is very protective, and is an outstanding feature of life in the uterus. Even at the time that an embryo is implanting in the uterus, adequate carbon dioxide is crucial. Many of the mysteries of embryology and developmental biology have been explained by the presence of a high level of carbon dioxide during gestation. For example, an injury to the fetus heals without scarring, that is, with complete regeneration instead of the formation of a sort of collagenous plug. Over the last fifty years, several people have discovered that simply enclosing a wound (for example an amputated finger tip) in an air-tight compartment allows remarkably complete regeneration, even in adults, who supposedly have lost the power of regeneration. (Exposure of tissues to air causes them to lose carbon dioxide.)”

“During gestation, after organs have differentiated, nerve cells extend their fibers from the brain to innervate muscles and other tissues. The special conditions of life in the uterus support this process, but something similar can happen during adult life, when damaged nerves regenerate. A major difference between injury to the fetus, and injury to an adult, is that the wound regenerates perfectly without a scar in the fetus, but in the adult, regeneration is often impaired, and a connective tissue scar replaces normally functioning tissue.”

“In childhood, wounds heal quickly, and inflammation is quickly resolved; in extreme old age, or during extreme stress or starvation, wound healing is much slower, and the nature of the inflammation and wound closure is different. In the fetus, healing can be regenerative and scarless, for example allowing a cleft palate to be surgically corrected without scars (Weinzweig, et al., 2002).”

“The amount of disorganized fibrous material formed in injured tissue is variable, and it depends on the state of the individual, and on the particular situation of the tissue. For example, the membranes lining the mouth, and the bones and bone marrow, and the thymus gland are able to regenerate without scarring. What they have in common with each other is a relatively high ratio of carbon dioxide to oxygen. Salamanders, which are able to regenerate legs, jaw, spinal cord, retina and parts of the brain (Winklemann & Winklemann, 1970), spend most of their time under cover in burrows, which besides preventing drying of their moist skin, keeps the ratio of carbon dioxide to oxygen fairly high.

The regeneration of finger tips, including a well-formed nail if some of the base remained, will occur if the wounded end of the finger is kept enclosed, for example by putting a metal or plastic tube over the finger. The humidity keeps the wound from forming a dry scab, and the cells near the surface will consume oxygen and produce carbon dioxide, keeping the ratio of carbon dioxide to oxygen much higher than in normal uninjured tissue.

Carbon dioxide is being used increasingly to prevent inflammation and edema. For example, it can be used to prevent adhesions during abdominal surgery, and to protect the lungs during mechanical ventilation. It inhibits the formation of inflammatory cytokines and prostaglandins (Peltekova, et al., 2010, Peng, et al., 2009, Persson & van den Linden, 2009), and reduces the leakiness of the intestine (Morisaki, et al., 2009). Some experiments show that as it decreases the production of some inflammatory materials by macrophages (TNF: Lang, et al., 2005), including lactate, it causes macrophages to activate phagocytic neutrophils, and to increase their number and activity (Billert, et al., 2003, Baev & Kuprava, 1997).

Factors that are associated with a decreased level of carbon dioxide, such as excess estrogen and lactate, promote fibrosis. Adaptation to living at high altitude, which is protective against degenerative disease, involves reduced lactate formation, and increased carbon dioxide. It has been suggested that keloid formation (over-growth of scar tissue) is less frequent at high altitudes (Ranganathan, 1961), though this hasn’t been carefully studied. Putting an injured arm or leg into a bag of pure carbon dioxide reduces pain and accelerates healing.”

“In the fetus, especially before the fats from the mother’s diet begin to accumulate, signals from injured tissue produce the changes that lead quickly to repair of the damage, but during subsequent life, similar signals produce incomplete repairs, and as they are ineffective they tend to be intensified and repeated, and eventually the faulty repair processes become the main problem. Although this is an ecological problem, it is possible to decrease the damage by avoiding the polyunsaturated fats and the many toxins that synergize with them, while increasing glucose, niacinamide, carbon dioxide, and other factors that support high energy metabolism, including adequate exposure to long wavelength light and avoidance of harmful radiation. As long as the toxic factors are present, increased amounts of protective factors such as progesterone, thyroid, sugar, niacinamide, and carbon dioxide can be used therapeutically and preventively.”

“For hundreds or thousands of years, the therapeutic value of carbonated mineral springs has been known. The belief that it was the water’s lively gas content that made it therapeutic led Joseph Priestley to investigate ways to make artificially carbonated water, and in the process he discovered oxygen. Carbonated water had its medical vogue in the 19th century, but the modern medical establishment has chosen to define itself in a way that glorifies “dangerous,” “powerful” treatments, and ridicules “natural” and mild approaches. The motivation is obvious–to maintain a monopoly, there must be some reason to exclude the general public from “the practice of medicine.” Witch doctors maintained their monopoly by working with frightening ghost-powers, and modern medicine uses its technical mystifications to the same purpose.vAlthough the medical profession hasn’t lost its legal monopoly on health care, corporate interests have come to control the way medicine is practiced, and the way research is done in all the fields related to medicine.”

“I have been using aging (menopause and the ovaries) and cancer (carbon monoxide as a hormone of “cellular immortality”) to explore the issue of cell renewal and tissue regeneration. Yesterday, Lita Lee sent me an article about K. P. Buteyko, describing his approach to the role of carbon dioxide in physiology and medicine. Buteyko devoted his career to showing that sufficient carbon dioxide is important in preventing an exaggerated and maladaptive stress response. He advocated training in “intentional regulation of respiration” (avoiding habitual hyperventilation) to improve oxygenation of the tissues by retaining carbon dioxide. He showed that a deficiency of carbon dioxide (such as can be produced by hyperventilation, or by the presence of lactic acid in the blood) decreases cellular energy (as ATP and creatine phosphate) and interferes with the synthesis of proteins (including antibodies) and other cellular materials.

When I first heard of Buteyko’s ideas, I saw the systemic importance of carbon dioxide, but I wasn’t much impressed by his idea of intentionally breathing less. If the hyperventilation is produced by anxiety, then a deliberate focussing on respiration can help to quiet the nerves. Knowing that hyperventilation can make a person faint, because loss of carbon dioxide causes blood vessels in the brain to constrict, I saw that additional carbon dioxide would increase circulation to the brain. This seemed like a neat system for directing the blood supply to the part of the brain that was more active, since that would be the part producing the most carbon dioxide.

In a nutrition class, in the late 70s, I described the way metabolically produced carbon dioxide opens blood vessels in the brain, and mentioned that carbonated water, or “soda water,” should improve circulation to the brain when the brain’s production of carbon dioxide wasn’t adequate. A week later, a student said she had gone home that night and (interpreting soda water as bicarbonate of soda in water) given her stroke-paralyzed mother a glass of water with a spoonful of baking soda in it. Her mother had been hemiplegic for 6 months following a stroke, but 15 minutes after drinking the bicarbonate, the paralysis lifted, and she remained normal. Later, a man who had stroke-like symptoms when he drank alcohol late at night, found that drinking a glass of carbonated water caused the symptoms to stop within a few minutes.

Realizing that low thyroid people produce little carbon dioxide, it seemed to me that there might be a point at which the circulatory shut-down of unstimulated parts of the brain would become self-sustaining, with less circulation to an area decreasing the CO2 produced in that area, which would cause further vasoconstriction. Carbon dioxide (breathing in a bag, or drinking carbonated water, or bathing in water with baking soda) followed by thyroid supplementation, would be the appropriate therapy for this type of functional ischemia of the brain.”

“I have been concerned about the probable effects on the fetus of the silly panting respiration that is being taught to so many pregnant women, to use during labor. Panting blows out so much carbon dioxide that it causes vasoconstriction. Possibly the uterus is protected against this, and possibly the fetus produces enough carbon dioxide that it is protected, but this isn’t known. Especially if the mother is hypothyroid, it seems that this could interfere with the delivery of oxygen to the fetus. Besides vasoconstriction, Buteyko points out that the Bohr effect, in which CO2 causes hemoglobin to release oxygen, means that a low level of carbon dioxide decreases the availability of oxygen. If the Bohr effect applies to fetal hemoglobin, then this suggests that the mother’s panting will deprive the fetal tissues of oxygen.

It is normal for the fetus to be exposed to a high concentration of carbon dioxide. Recent experiments with week-old rats show that carbon dioxide, at the very high concentration of 6% powerfully protects against the brain damage caused by oxygen deprivation (tying a carotid artery and administering 8% oxygen). (R. C. Vannucci, et al., 1995.)”

“In general, lactic acid in the blood can be taken as a sign of defective respiration, since the breakdown of glucose to lactic acid increases to make up for deficient oxidative energy production. Normal aging seems to involve a tendency toward excess lactic acid -production, and age-pigment is known to activate the process. Eliminating respiratory toxins (such as unsaturated oils, estrogenic and antithyroid substances, lead, and excess iron) is the most obvious first step to take when there is excess lactic acid formation. Carbon dioxide supplements have been shown experimentally to reduce residual lactate production. Many people experience exhilaration when they go to very high altitudes, and it is known that people generally bum calories faster at high altitude. It has been found that, during intense exercise (which always produces a lactic acid accumulation in the blood), a lower peak accumulation of lactate occurs at high altitude, and this seems to be caused by a reduction in the rate of glycolysis, or glucose consumption. (B.Grassi, et aI.) Since there is less oxygen at high elevation, and since oxygen is used to consume lactic acid, this effect is the opposite of what many people expected. In some sense, respiration becomes more efficient at high altitude. Youth and increased times supported the process by helping to stabilize the high energy metabolism of the brain, and even by stabilizing the “energized” state of water’ that supports brain efficiency. Roman Schmitt has proposed that, 66 million years ago when dinosaurs became extinct and mammals began their rapid evolution, “at that time hydrothermal venting went wild,” releasing huge volumes of carbon dioxide and other substances into the atmosphere.

Antarctic ice cores show there were large increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide in relatively recent times: 10,200, 11,600, and 12,900 years ago, and two broad peaks in carbon dioxide release occurred just 4,200 and 7,700 years ago (Figge and White.) Local or regional increases in carbon dioxide from volcanism could have more continuous effects on brain development.

In times of lower atmospheric carbon dioxide, our Krebs cycle still produces it internally, and the rapid development of the brain during gestation takes advantage of the high concentration of carbon dioxide in the uterus. (These ideas make me doubt the safety of the rapid breathing encouraged by some obstetricians.)”

Source: http://www.functionalps.com/blog/2012/0 ... eneration/
 

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SAFarmer said:
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Using a CO2 tank gave me a lot of benefits, but since I am travelling quite a bit at the moment, I find the co2 tank very unpractical.

Hi Milklove

You get these very small regulators you screw onto an small 16gram disposable CO2 cartridge. They should be perfect for travel purposes.

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Forgot to add, they are quite cheap too. About $12-$15 for the regulator and $1-50 for a 16g co2 cartridge if you buy them in bulk.

Thanks SAFarmer. This would definitely be a good travel option!
Just wondering, have you tried both a CO2 tank and the nebulizer? If so, which one do you prefer?
I just started experimenting with the nebulizer, so I don't have any long term experience with it, but at the moment I prefer the nebulizer.

EDIT: I forgot to add. The airline told me I'm not even allowed to take the small catridges on a plane.
 

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I'm grateful for VoS posting on this topic. I was regularly posting on CO2 back in the winter months and got away from it due to family obligations. It's wonderful that VoS has taken up presenting this information to the forum. Thanks VoS!
 

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Hi visionofstrength,

I didn't feel like making a post like aquaman's, as your intentions are all very good and usually the information you're providing is true (not everything you say, but no one is perfect or knows it all. However the latter does not directly apply to any information in this thread - just in general!). Also your intentions of making things aware that 'medicine' neglects or ignores is something I can only applaud :). It is just that we are dealing with 'life', and 'life' is so much more than single substances. Or "bio-hacks"? A word I can still not understand to be honest. And that makes me having a rare feelings, as does the word 'life-strategy' used somewhere else.

How important one thing ever may ever be, it is part of a system. I know you know, but it's the enthusiasm maybe? that suggests (at least to me) that you lost this out of sight. Or my consciousness is just not allowing me to follow up ;). Anyway what I mean is there are so many important molecules and if you're good you can write about any of those molecules as if they're THE key to health, while they actually all are - reality. All are being regulated by the interactions of the whole and the indivudual relevance varies, since you know this I won't go further.

Then it's also the context in which Peat says things that is important. Because you have assimilated everything Peat said, I assume based on your knowledgeable answers, you're aware of that context. When you're making 'short' posts, usually the context is not known for someone not completely into the subject. Although, I have not read it all yet, thanks for your effort putting this information here. Which is part of the context I am talking about.

Don't take this as an offense. It is just a minor thing (hence some note not directly visible in this topic), not worth arguaing in my opinion. Everyone interprets things differently, depending on their consciousness and personal expriences.
"Until you see something as the answer to an urgent question, you can’t see that it has any value" Quote from Dr. Peat. Maybe that's the case for me?

Anyway, said what I wanted to say, don't take this as an offense and thanks for bringing important pieces of information to awareness. The toxinless search bar isn't providing me any results by the way.
 
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Milklove said:
II only regained my health when I started to look at environmental factors like light, co2 and positive stimulation and I now my health is definitely above average.

What does the bolded mean?
 

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We discussed this shortly over here: viewtopic.php?f=10&t=4298&hilit=creative

Essentially, you want to avoid stressful stimuli, like endurance exercise or constantly stressing out over small things, and want to increase the amount of positive stimuli.
Positive stimulation can mean reading an interesting book rather than watching a mindless TV-show. Having a creative outlet like drawing, singing, dancing or playing an instrument can also enormously benefit your health. This can be exhausting a first, if you have been sick for a long time (believe me, I know), but personally it made me a lot more stress resistant.

Another aspect is living in a stimulating environment. As living in a dull, grey flat can have a bad effect on your mood, living in a nicely decorated flat can improve your mood. Just rearranging or redocorating your flat can be quite nice as well.
 
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Milklove said:
...I tried fixing my health by eating a perfect diet and supplementing everything my body could possibly need. Needless to say, it didn't work. I only regained my health when I started to look at environmental factors like light, co2 and positive stimulation and I now my health is definitely above average.
From my ongoing study of Peat's body of works, it looks like he thinks that red light increases carbonates rather directly, by its effect on cytochromase c oxidase (CCO). When activated by red light, CCO increases metabolic activity, and the increased metabolic activity generates carbonates (more if glucose is being metabolized, less if fatty acids).

My own experiments seem to show Peat is right, here, since I can measure an increase in exhaled CO2 when a sufficient energy of red light of certain frequencies is applied to a sufficient area of skin.

When it comes to positive stimulation, it looks like Peat thinks this increases carbonates a little indirectly, by its effect of inhibiting serotonin in the brain/gut axis, similar to the compounds lisuride, ondansetron, cyproheptadine, LSD and others. Serotonin, when inhibited by creativity, aesthetics, pangs of love, or chortles of laughter, is the primary signal that's it's safe for the liver or thyroid to make t3. Perhaps 15 minutes to an hour or so later, the new t3 increases metabolic activity, and carbonates are generated.

I haven't yet been able to verify Peat here with experiments. But in theory, the increase in carbonates should be measurable, even though indirect.

Of course, this is a bit of a narrative, without much context. I urge you to explore Peat's work for yourself. For me, reading and thinking along with Peat is very gratifying, and a great serotonin inhibitor itself.

Thanks for bringing this up, milklove!
 

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Red light is such a powerful tool. Some of its effects are systemic, as you described, and some of its effects are local. Red light stimulates the formation of new cells and their differentiation, which makes it very valuable for wound healing. I have experienced this myself multiple times.
 

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jyb said:
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Really the only safe, practical solutions I've been able to find, after bio-hacking every idea I can find on the internet, is breathing CO2 from a paintball canister, and breathing sodium bicarbonate from a nebulizer or fast inhaler.

What would be the difference between that and a training mask? Training mask is as inconvenient as bag breathing, but safer and you can chose what elevation to simulate by modulating the intake air passage size.
The supplements page lists (but doesn't recommend) a high elevation training mask (http://www.trainingmask.com). How effective do you think it would be, compared to VoS's mask?
 

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dd99 said:
The supplements page lists (but doesn't recommend) a high elevation training mask (http://www.trainingmask.com). How effective do you think it would be, compared to VoS's mask?

I think of it as a more involved bag breathing technique, you spend more time breathing in it, but it will have a more long lasting impact on your breathing pattern.

EDIT: I mean compared to just bag breathing, not compared to other techniques discussed here.
 

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I would give the buteyko idea a try. Becoming aware of ones own breathing tends to activate the relaxation response. One may surpriesed how often in a day hyperventilation can take place. Changing ones responses and habits to these stimuli (that invites one for overbreathing )can be also become a big health distributer. ( through not throwing out this precious Co2.)Besides all the supplements! It is fun and it's for free!
 

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From my ongoing study of Peat's body of works, it looks like he thinks that red light increases carbonates rather directly, by its effect on cytochromase c oxidase (CCO). When activated by red light, CCO increases metabolic activity, and the increased metabolic activity generates carbonates (more if glucose is being metabolized, less if fatty acids).

My own experiments seem to show Peat is right, here, since I can measure an increase in exhaled CO2 when a sufficient energy of red light of certain frequencies is applied to a sufficient area of skin.
How are you measuring an increase in exhaled co2? Are you using an oximeter or capnometer?
 

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He posted previously about using a capnometer to measure end tidal CO2.
 

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