The Manufacturing Of 60s Culture /"rock&roll"

[Mjhl85]

sometimes a cigar is just a cigar

Yip. And often there are more than you thought

 

[AJC]

To be honest I just wish these guys could lay out some clear reasoning...that article jumps all over the place. Has anybody written about this stuff in a more refined and polished manner (so more people could take it seriously)

 

[x-ray peat]

To be honest I just wish these guys could lay out some clear reasoning...that article jumps all over the place. Has anybody written about this stuff in a more refined and polished manner (so more people could take it seriously)

Dave McGowan probably did the best research on the 60s, the CIA. Aldous Huxley and all of the rock bands that came out of Laurel Canyon. The Doors, CSNY, Frank Zappa, Mamas and the Papas etc all children of military intelligence. He also has several amazing interviews on youtube
Laurel Canyon
Weird Scenes Inside the Canyon: Laurel Canyon, Covert Ops & the Dark Heart of the Hippie Dream: David McGowan, Nick Bryant: 8601420866638: Amazon.com: Books

From there you cam branch off into the Beatles and the British Invasion etc. John Coleman interviews are good or his book Committee of 300.

The elite have always used music and theater in order to control the public. Plato wrote about how this was done in Ancient Greece where attendance at the theater was mandatory. People follow the stars after all.

 

[x-ray peat]

Yip. And often there are more than you thought

only to the profane and uninitiated.

 

[AJC]

Dave McGowan probably did the best research on the 60s, the CIA. Aldous Huxley and all of the rock bands that came out of Laurel Canyon. The Doors, CSNY, Frank Zappa, Mamas and the Papas etc all children of military intelligence. He also has several amazing interviews on youtube
Laurel Canyon
Weird Scenes Inside the Canyon: Laurel Canyon, Covert Ops & the Dark Heart of the Hippie Dream: David McGowan, Nick Bryant: 8601420866638: Amazon.com: Books

From there you cam branch off into the Beatles and the British Invasion etc. John Coleman interviews are good or his book Committee of 300.

unfortunately he died not too long ago

The elite have always used music and theater in order to control the public. Plato wrote about how this was done in Ancient Greece where attendance at the theater was mandatory. People follow the stars after all.

Thanks will look into it

 

[x-ray peat]

Thanks will look into it

here is a good interview of Dave McGowan and Laurel Canyon

 

[DaveFoster]

those damn gangs

"EFA deficiency encourages the human penis to grow to an inordinate length. I know from personal experience."

 

[Richiebogie]

While it is possible that the media pushed for cultural changes that emphasized selfishness and drug abuse, I disagree with the article when it claims the elderly German avant garde composer / socialist philosopher Theo Adorno composed the songs for the Beatles.

Listening to the Beatles songs you can pick distinct styles.

Paul McCartney's songs are happy and whimsical (eg. Hello Goodbye, Penny Lane) and sound like his later songs with Wings (Let 'em in) and Michael Jackson (Say, Say, Say) long after Theo Adorno's death in 1969.

John Lennon's songs are dark and complex (eg Help, Revolution) which continue on in his solo work (Imagine).

You can hear both of these styles in some songs. eg. A day in the life has each composer singing his own work:

Lennon:
I read the news today, oh boy
About a lucky man who made the grade
And though the news was rather sad
Well I just had to laugh
I saw the photograph.
He blew his mind out in a car
He didn't notice that the red lights had changed
A crowd of people stood and stared
They'd seen his face before
Nobody was really sure
If he was from the House of Lords.

McCartney:
Woke up, fell out of bed,
Dragged a comb across my head
Found my way downstairs and drank a cup,
And looking up I noticed I was late.
Found my coat and grabbed my hat
Made the bus in seconds flat
Found my way upstairs and had a smoke,
Somebody spoke and I went into a dream.

Songs attributed to George Harrison are different again.

Music attributed to Theo Adorno stopped in the 1940's. It is not popular music. He disliked popular music and capitalism.

Here he explains his belief that popular music could not carry political messages:

 

[Mjhl85]

only to the profane and uninitiated.

oops wrong thread.

 

[Travis]

I read that Laurel Canyon book, or most of it anyway.

There is no way that someone can debunk that with a petty argument. Joe Rogan needs to try harder.

It makes perfects sense for the CIA to draw crowds away from the anti-war bands by creating CIA-controlled bands from relatives of high-ranking military officials.

 

[sladerunner69]

"EFA deficiency encourages the human penis to grow to an inordinate length. I know from personal experience."

Please, he did NOT say that. Right?

 

[sladerunner69]

I read that Laurel Canyon book, or most of it anyway.

There is no way that someone can debunk that with a petty argument. Joe Rogan needs to try harder.

It makes perfects sense for the CIA to draw crowds away from the anti-war bands by creating CIA-controlled bands from relatives of high-ranking military officials.

The most glaringly obvious contradiction to that theory is the fact that all of the Laurel Canyon artists were staunchely Anti-war, maybe moreso then these bands the CIA was attempting to undermine. The doors, zappa, mamas and papas, I could barely think of bands that were more anti-american, anti-establishment and anti-war...

 

[Travis]

Yeah, I could never imagine Frank Zappa being a CIA musician.

Just The Doors really. Jim Morrison's dad was the Admiral in charge of the staged Gulf of Tonkin Incident.
Gulf of Tonkin incident - Wikipedia

The only war song by The Doors that I can think of is Unknown Soldier.

 

[x-ray peat]

While it is possible that the media pushed for cultural changes that emphasized selfishness and drug abuse, I disagree with the article when it claims the elderly German avant garde composer / socialist philosopher Theo Adorno composed the songs for the Beatles.

Listening to the Beatles songs you can pick distinct styles.

Paul McCartney's songs are happy and whimsical (eg. Hello Goodbye, Penny Lane) and sound like his later songs with Wings (Let 'em in) and Michael Jackson (Say, Say, Say) long after Theo Adorno's death in 1969.

John Lennon's songs are dark and complex (eg Help, Revolution) which continue on in his solo work (Imagine).

You can hear both of these styles in some songs. eg. A day in the life has each composer singing his own work:

Lennon:
I read the news today, oh boy
About a lucky man who made the grade
And though the news was rather sad
Well I just had to laugh
I saw the photograph.
He blew his mind out in a car
He didn't notice that the red lights had changed
A crowd of people stood and stared
They'd seen his face before
Nobody was really sure
If he was from the House of Lords.

McCartney:
Woke up, fell out of bed,
Dragged a comb across my head
Found my way downstairs and drank a cup,
And looking up I noticed I was late.
Found my coat and grabbed my hat
Made the bus in seconds flat
Found my way upstairs and had a smoke,
Somebody spoke and I went into a dream.

Songs attributed to George Harrison are different again.

Music attributed to Theo Adorno stopped in the 1940's. It is not popular music. He disliked popular music and capitalism.

Here he explains his belief that popular music could not carry political messages:

Whether it was Adorno or not the Beatles music was way too complex to be written by kids who couldn't even read music and didn't have a clue about music theory. Its obvious that they were helped by very experienced composers and lyricists. Many of their chord progressions are lifted right from classical music and opera. As for lyrics, is this what a 23 yo would sing about or an old man past his prime?

Yesterday all my troubles seemed so far away.
Now it looks as though they're here to stay.
Oh, I believe in yesterday.

Suddenly I'm not half the man I used to be.
There's a shadow hanging over me.
Oh, yesterday came suddenly.

Read the Laurel Canyon article and you will see how all of the most heavily pushed music comes from intelligence. Sgt Pepper actually refers to the head of MI6 in the US, John Pepper, who coordinated psy ops in the US in the 1940s.
"It was twenty years ago today
Sgt. Pepper taught the band to play"

 

[x-ray peat]

The most glaringly obvious contradiction to that theory is the fact that all of the Laurel Canyon artists were staunchely Anti-war, maybe moreso then these bands the CIA was attempting to undermine. The doors, zappa, mamas and papas, I could barely think of bands that were more anti-american, anti-establishment and anti-war...

That is how controlled opposition works. They appear to be on your side just to lure you in and then they lead you off into irrelevance. "Tune in , turn off and drop out" basically sums up the strategy of the hippie drug culture psy op. Also what if any anti-war songs did the Mamas and the Papas write. John Phillips was also the son of a military intelligence officer, attended Annapolis, and was most likely a CIA operative who was in Cuba working for the Cuban revolution. Yes the CIA put Castro in power and kept him there.

"As Barry Miles has written in his coffee-table book, Hippie, there were some hippies involved in anti-war protests, "particularly after the police riot in Chicago in 1968 when so many people got injured, but on the whole the movement activists looked on hippies with disdain." Peter Coyote, narrating the documentary "Hippies" on The History Channel, added that "Some on the left even theorized that the hippies were the end result of a plot by the CIA to neutralize the anti-war movement with LSD, turning potential protestors into self-absorbed naval-gazers." An exasperated Abbie Hoffman once described the scene as he remembered it thusly: "There were all these activists, you know, Berkeley radicals, White Panthers ... all trying to stop the war and change things for the better. Then we got flooded with all these 'flower children' who were into drugs and sex. Where the hell did the hippies come from?!""
From Inside The Laurel Canyon

 

[Travis]

Wow, that is interesting. From Wikipedia's page for British Security Co-ordination (under 'talk' tab).

John Arthur Reid Pepper[edit]
Why is there no article on John Arthur Reid Pepper who was the head of BSC in 1947?

Is it because the producers of the Beatles Sergeant Pepper album slipped up and nearly compromised Pepper and exposed the reason why the band was created and popularized (as part of BSC “to mobilize pro-British opinion in the US," set up by Winston Churchill)? Lennon wanted out in 1980 so they faked his "assassination". Lennon likely lives in Ontario, Canada most of the time. The CIA produced a film about him called Let Him Be as damage control for Lennon's cover being exposed. It ended up backfiring because there was a close up shot of John Lennon in the film and for other reasons.

Whether anyone wants to be convinced Lennon's fake assassination or not, John Arthur Reid Pepper was head of BSC in 1947. His article is suspiciously missing

 

[DaveFoster]

Please, he did NOT say that. Right?

That's just a joke quote.

 

[x-ray peat]

Music attributed to Theo Adorno stopped in the 1940's. It is not popular music. He disliked popular music and capitalism.
Here he explains his belief that popular music could not carry political messages:

Adorno seems to be telling the truth here in that popular music cannot be used for effective political protest as it is a tool of authority and consumerism. That is the main point of this thread IMO, that popular music is manufactured by the establishment and was used in the 60s to derail any real protest. Let it Be for example wasn't exactly a fight song but more of a call to go back to sleep. However this doesn't mean that Adorno wasn't part of Tavistock and using music to social engineer the masses. I think he was.

 

[Footscray]

What was happening in England at the time was much different to what was happening in America. England was still at the tail end of rationing after nearly having their country taken from them not too many years earlier. They had the crap bombed out of them, they were happy to still be English and the music was happier overall. America never really had such a threat, much of their protest music was a similar thing to what we have now with spoilt middle class kids complaining bitterly that about their oppressed lives from the "authorities" who were striving to keep these rich kids "oppressed", with their disapline and religion. But just like now, life is here to be lived without worrying about the "authorities". The freedoms have been hard won. Now we must use them and stop being paranoid about the "authorities". Live life truthfully.

 

[Queequeg]

What was happening in England at the time was much different to what was happening in America. England was still at the tail end of rationing after nearly having their country taken from them not too many years earlier. They had the crap bombed out of them, they were happy to still be English and the music was happier overall. America never really had such a threat, much of their protest music was a similar thing to what we have now with spoilt middle class kids complaining bitterly that about their oppressed lives from the "authorities" who were striving to keep these rich kids "oppressed", with their disapline and religion. But just like now, life is here to be lived without worrying about the "authorities". The freedoms have been hard won. Now we must use them and stop being paranoid about the "authorities". Live life truthfully.

The short lived history of freedom says quite a different thing.

“Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty; power is ever stealing from the many to the few. The manna of popular liberty must be gathered each day or it is rotten. The living sap of today outgrows the dead rind of yesterday. The hand entrusted with power becomes, either from human depravity or esprit de corps, the necessary enemy of the people. Only by continued oversight can the democrat in office be prevented from hardening into a despot; only by unintermitted agitation can a people be sufficiently awake to principle not to let liberty be smothered in material prosperity.”
American Abolitionist Wendell Phillips January 28, 1852.