The Linus Pauling Collagen Drink That Tastes Good

[R J]

I knew Travis was smart but I didn’t realize how utterly based he was until now when I googled his name
and found pages and pages of people absolutely reeeee’ing out against his trolling on pro vaccine pro mainstream science pages. What a guy.

He threatened the sensitive normies so much one person even posted Travis’ name and address publically. People were so butt hurt . Dudes a legend.

 

[R J]

Here’s his quora page Travis Schwochert - Quora

 

[johnwester130]

something i am interested even better than lysine/taurine and vitamin c

chondroitin sulfate

may actually work better than pauling therapy

 

[Peatness]

chondroitin sulfate

How did you get on with this?

 

[johnwester130]

How did you get on with this?

it was okay

Nothing noticeable long term

 

[Peatness]

it was okay

Nothing noticeable long term

Thanks

 

[Kray]

it was okay

Nothing noticeable long term

Are you still doing the C/proline/lysine? I have taken in the past, thinking of restarting. (Some years ago, my doctor ordered the Lp(a) test for me, which came back very high.) I did my own homework and started on this product- Cardio-C Original Pauling-therapy Drink Mix (Quali-C®) - $54.95 : Zen Cart!, The Art of E-commerce

Not sure if necessary now given that I incorporate gelatin/collagen in my diet these days (back then I wasn't). I think it helped me, and the doses in Cardio-C, for example, are pretty high insofar as targeting cardio issues, vs. the amounts of same contained in gelatin. Not sure if I want to include extra glycine, or if needed. I don't think Pauling had that in his formula.

 

[johnwester130]

Are you still doing the C/proline/lysine? I have taken in the past, thinking of restarting. (Some years ago, my doctor ordered the Lp(a) test for me, which came back very high.) I did my own homework and started on this product- Cardio-C Original Pauling-therapy Drink Mix (Quali-C®) - $54.95 : Zen Cart!, The Art of E-commerce

Not sure if necessary now given that I incorporate gelatin/collagen in my diet these days (back then I wasn't). I think it helped me, and the doses in Cardio-C, for example, are pretty high insofar as targeting cardio issues, vs. the amounts of same contained in gelatin. Not sure if I want to include extra glycine, or if needed. I don't think Pauling had that in his formula.

You can make your own

quali-c, highest quality vitamin C
proline
lysine
mix into one jar

so basically cardi-C

 

[Kray]

You can make your own

quali-c, highest quality vitamin C
proline
lysine
mix into one jar

so basically cardi-C

Yes, I should have been more clear. I have all the separate ingredients to make my own, except for the proline, and I have done VC/lysine off and on for a long time, since I last used/ran out of Cardio-C some years ago (I have been using Quali-C for years now- the best available out there). In the Cardio-C formula, the ratio of proline to C and lysine is pretty low. I have queried the Vit C Fndtn to refresh my memory on why proline is considered a necessary part of the their formula. If you would like, I'll get back to you if they respond to me.

From some reading mostly on the forum, I shied away from so much lysine (although I never took 2.5g/day, more like 1 g) because there is some concern about individual amino acids long-term, such as lysine and taurine, to name a few. I don't really understand why it is a problem, but realize it's not a complete "food" as gelatin is, so I am guessing it's all about balance. I would like to lower my methionine and tryptophan, so I will probably bring back more collagen or gelatin regularly, whether or not I decide to do a cardio mix again.

Do you still continue with these supplements?

Thanks!

 

[johnwester130]

Yes, I should have been more clear. I have all the separate ingredients to make my own, except for the proline, and I have done VC/lysine off and on for a long time, since I last used/ran out of Cardio-C some years ago (I have been using Quali-C for years now- the best available out there). In the Cardio-C formula, the ratio of proline to C and lysine is pretty low. I have queried the Vit C Fndtn to refresh my memory on why proline is considered a necessary part of the their formula. If you would like, I'll get back to you if they respond to me.

From some reading mostly on the forum, I shied away from so much lysine (although I never took 2.5g/day, more like 1 g) because there is some concern about individual amino acids long-term, such as lysine and taurine, to name a few. I don't really understand why it is a problem, but realize it's not a complete "food" as gelatin is, so I am guessing it's all about balance. I would like to lower my methionine and tryptophan, so I will probably bring back more collagen or gelatin regularly, whether or not I decide to do a cardio mix again.

Do you still continue with these supplements?

Thanks!

• Vitamin C converted the frayed three-strand collagen amino acids into hydroxyaminos, making it impossible for the sticky Lp(a) to adhere to the collagen, causing buildup.
• L-lysine reduced the stickiness of Lp(a), thereby sealing the binding sites on Lp(a) and further preventing plaque buildup at the frayed collagen ends.
• L-proline, the final piece to the puzzle, is lipophilic, meaning it prefers oil to water, unlike its hydrophilic counterpart L-lysine. Because Lp(a) is composed of the hydrophilic protein apo(a) and an oily cholesterol, Pauling hypothesized that L-proline would take care of any leftover receptors on the Lp(a) molecule not blocked by L-lysine. He was right.

Yes, I am going to restart but this time using quali-C, which I never used before.

 

[Kray]

• Vitamin C converted the frayed three-strand collagen amino acids into hydroxyaminos, making it impossible for the sticky Lp(a) to adhere to the collagen, causing buildup.
• L-lysine reduced the stickiness of Lp(a), thereby sealing the binding sites on Lp(a) and further preventing plaque buildup at the frayed collagen ends.
• L-proline, the final piece to the puzzle, is lipophilic, meaning it prefers oil to water, unlike its hydrophilic counterpart L-lysine. Because Lp(a) is composed of the hydrophilic protein apo(a) and an oily cholesterol, Pauling hypothesized that L-proline would take care of any leftover receptors on the Lp(a) molecule not blocked by L-lysine. He was right.

Yes, I am going to restart but this time using quali-C, which I never used before.

Ok! Thanks for that! Can I ask- do you plan to use same dosage as Cardio-C? How many times a day? Are you doing it as preventive, or for medical needs? You don't have to answer, just want a better sense of protocol, since I haven't done this in about 4 years or so. Would you consider it too much to supplement this along with daily collagen or gelatin? I should clarify- I am interested in gelatin to add a bit more protein balance to red meat consumption, but not more than 12g/day.

 

[johnwester130]

Ok! Thanks for that! Can I ask- do you plan to use same dosage as Cardio-C? How many times a day? Are you doing it as preventive, or for medical needs? You don't have to answer, just want a better sense of protocol, since I haven't done this in about 4 years or so. Would you consider it too much to supplement this along with daily collagen or gelatin? I should clarify- I am interested in gelatin to add a bit more protein balance to red meat consumption, but not more than 12g/day.

Just a teaspoon a day for personal use

Gelatin can also be used

LP5 powder adds gelatin to their mixture I think and also glycine

 

[Kray]

Just a teaspoon a day for personal use

Gelatin can also be used

LP5 powder adds gelatin to their mixture I think and also glycine

Are you saying 1 tsp of each- lysine, proline, vit C?

I'm not familiar with LP5 powder- can you provide link?

 

[Kray]

P.S. Just found the LP5 website. Thanks for pointing out the name for reference.

 

[johnwester130]

This may mean nothing but I noticed proline powder felt weird, slightly oily with a weird texture.

It may mean something about what it does in the body.

 

[Kray]

This may mean nothing but I noticed proline powder felt weird, slightly oily with a weird texture.

It may mean something about what it does in the body.

This is really interesting, I don't remember this being why proline was in the Cardio-C mix when I took it. But it makes sense, based on the post you made, below.

• L-proline, the final piece to the puzzle, is lipophilic, meaning it prefers oil to water, unlike its hydrophilic counterpart L-lysine. Because Lp(a) is composed of the hydrophilic protein apo(a) and an oily cholesterol, Pauling hypothesized that L-proline would take care of any leftover receptors on the Lp(a) molecule not blocked by L-lysine. He was right.

Thanks for sharing all your info regarding recipe. Do you think there's an issue mixing the two AAs together with Vitamin C? I can't see why. Only thing I might suggest is using a dessicant in the mix to keep it from moisture? Otherwise, I might just put each in its own jar, then mix together, just to be safe.

I think I may try to keep the same ratio and amounts of C:lysine:proline as Cardio-C, but spread over the day in 2 doses. I really like Quali-C; it dissolves quite easily, is good quality, and I hope you'll like it. Very affordable.

 

[johnwester130]

This is really interesting, I don't remember this being why proline was in the Cardio-C mix when I took it. But it makes sense, based on the post you made, below.

• L-proline, the final piece to the puzzle, is lipophilic, meaning it prefers oil to water, unlike its hydrophilic counterpart L-lysine. Because Lp(a) is composed of the hydrophilic protein apo(a) and an oily cholesterol, Pauling hypothesized that L-proline would take care of any leftover receptors on the Lp(a) molecule not blocked by L-lysine. He was right.

Thanks for sharing all your info regarding recipe. Do you think there's an issue mixing the two AAs together with Vitamin C? I can't see why. Only thing I might suggest is using a dessicant in the mix to keep it from moisture? Otherwise, I might just put each in its own jar, then mix together, just to be safe.

I think I may try to keep the same ratio and amounts of C:lysine:proline as Cardio-C, but spread over the day in 2 doses. I really like Quali-C; it dissolves quite easily, is good quality, and I hope you'll like it. Very affordable.

mixing it should be fine

 

[Kray]

mixing it should be fine

Thanks, I'll give it a shot. What ratios did you use in your mix?

 

[johnwester130]

Thanks, I'll give it a shot. What ratios did you use in your mix?

well i used 250 g qualic
100 gram each of proline/lysine
not sure what that equals

 

[Kray]

well i used 250 g qualic
100 gram each of proline/lysine
not sure what that equals

Great, thanks for sharing. Hope you have great results.