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The "incel" phenomenon is likely a deliberate government policy/psyop

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you talk about how people especially men work harder to be praised by women

Where have I said such things?
 

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But, what I’m getting it is what are your thoughts on work relationships essentially where workers start becoming intimate, rather than seeking a partner outside of the work place.
 

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“They believed that sexually dissatisfied men are motivated in general, in regards to any objective.” I guess that maybe what I was interpreting, and paraphrased it in my brain.
 

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“They believed that sexually dissatisfied men are motivated in general, in regards to any objective.”

That is what the article is saying, not me. I was just summarizing it.
As far as men ending up with coworkers - it is not surprising, considering nowadays people spend 8-10 hours a day at work, so the opportunity to date out of the work circle are limited. Not many people have the excess energy for doing extra effort to shower/workout/prep AFTER 8-10 hours of work and then going on a date for another 4-5 hours with a stranger that more often than not ends up not being a good match. It makes sense to focus the efforts on the work place, especially if the employer is a large company and has many young people running around and trying match up. There are many studies on this topic. If you Google for "cupid at the workplace" (no quotes when you search) you will find a lot of articles and studies.
 

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It is hard to believe that the government would engage in such absurd actions, but according to the article below the US military was convinced as far back as early 20th century that sexual DIS-satisfaction was key to making men angry, aggressive and homicidal and the military designed official policies towards sexually manipulating its soldiers in WWI towards such a dissatisfied state. If the government holds the firm belief that sexually satisfied soldiers are happy, anti-war, and disobedient and the govt has openly pushed the incel "phenotype" on its soldiers as far as back as WWI, then it does not seem too much of a conspiracy to assume the same would be (or has already been) attempted on a nationwide scale, and not just in regards to military service. Note that the "powerful figures" (as the article calls them) that came up with the WWI "incel" policy did not envision its applicability only in regards war/military. They believed that sexually dissatisfied men are motivated in general, in regards to any objective. Considering CIA ops such as Mockingbird or MKULTRA, a psyop on manipulating the sexuality of the populace towards facilitating obedience and lifelong hard (low-paid?) work seems like an innocent cartoon in comparison. There is an old proverb saying "The rich thrive when the poor strive", and apparently one of the best ways to ensure that the "plebs" (both men and women) "strive" (especially at work) is to deprive them of sexual satisfaction. The "incel" movement is hardly a niche problem any more. A number of large recent studies showed that a record number of Western citizens are completely celibate, and the highest rate of celibacy is in the youngest cohort. The rates of sexual deviancy are also through the roof and keep increasing.

Just a decade ago, such findings would be unthinkable, but now they are a reality and resonate strikingly well with other studies finding chronic diseases to be skyrocketing in the young instead of the old. In other words, it looks like there is a "war on the young", that war is not at all coincidental, and sexuality is a major target in that war.

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USA sexually ‘teased’ its troops in the First World War to make them fight harder
"...Initially neutral, the US began to change its position after a German U-boat sank the Lusitania in 1915, and when it was revealed that Germany sought to urge Mexico to attack the United States. But even as their first troops landed in France in June 1917, few Americans fully understood let alone supported this faraway conflict. In a study published in the Journal of the History of Sexuality, Eric Wycoff Rogers argues that the US Government and military took drastic action to use sexuality to motivate its conscripted soldiers to embrace their roles in the war. “The war didn’t feel relevant to young American men in the way it did to European men,” Rogers says. “Particularly after President Wilson’s sudden U-turn on American belligerency, the government had to work hard to convince civilians to support the war, and this was doubly true for soldiers, many of whom were drafted against their will. “In this context, the War Department actively exploited sexuality to psychologically manipulate American soldiers to fight.” This involved enforcing sexual abstinence while simultaneously exposing soldiers to carefully controlled forms of sexual stimulation. Believing that sexually satisfied men could not be easily motivated, the aim of this teasing was to generate unmet sexual desire, which the War Department could leverage as motivation to fight, especially through appeals to chivalry and heroism."

"...Drawing on the relatively neglected records of the morale agency, and the writings of the academics and reformers who led it, Rogers shows that these powerful figures believed that sexual climax wasted the energy which fuelled a man’s motivation. They also believed, however, that stimulating and then diverting a soldier’s sex drive could boost his motivation. Based on this “parasexual logic”, as Rogers terms it, these theorists of morale designed a range of manipulative policies and activities that both regulated and stimulated soldiers."

"...Through the Young Women’s Christian Association, the CTCA trained women and girls to support their aims. The CTCA dispatched speakers to cities and towns close to training camps to advise young girls and their mothers on guarding their sexuality from the troops. At the same time, military and civilian leaders set about extracting sexually active women and girls from areas frequented by soldiers. “By making sexual opportunities hard to find, the military sought to preserve men’s fighting strength.”"

"...Thousands of women were arrested, examined under duress and detained during the country’s brief involvement in the war. Rogers says: “One of my key findings is that venereal disease was primarily an excuse to police women and reduce sexual opportunities for soldiers. Morality, too, was a pretext for these programmes. “The real purpose of these horrific measures, however, was fundamentally about maintaining the sexual frustration that kept soldiers motivated.”

"“They also engaged in censorship,” Rogers says. “In a few instances, the Morale Branch’s staff opposed the inclusion of cartoons and other content that they deemed off-message.”

"...At the same time soldiers were pressed to write letters to women back home, supported by the provision of free envelopes and paper in YMCA huts and tents. CTCA officials hoped that when soldiers penned their love letters, the presence of attractive canteen workers would act as an exciting proxy for the women they were addressing. “Sexual denial, status anxiety and perceived pressure from women – this was a powerful combination,” Rogers says. “In striving for the approval of women, the morale planners hoped soldiers would perform their duties without complaint, fight harder, and be willing to risk their lives.”

"...The sudden end of the war did not mark the end of morale or sexualized motivation. After the war, Munson and some of his fellow morale planners published their theories as part of a new focus on human resources management which sought to boost morale and motivation in commercial industries. The campaigns to police women’s sexual behaviours – labelled the ‘American Plan’ – continued for over two decades, with police detaining thousands of women accused of being infected with STDs. According to Rogers, the spillover of the wartime programmes testifies to their enduring significance in modern society, and complicates how we periodize historical eras."

"...“The military’s ‘parasexual’ blend of constraint and stimulation offers a clear sketch of a cultural logic that runs deep in American culture: the use of sexual allure to motivate and to sell non-sexual experiences and products.” “Especially if we are going to navigate the tensions of the so-called ‘gender war’, we urgently need to understand the role that powerful individuals and organisations continue to play in manipulating sexuality and fuelling sexual frustration, not least in advertising, films and on social media.”
Yeah these are all psyops. When Regan dismantled the fairness act and Clinton signed the telecommunications act that allowed the monopolization of the media and that is when they were able to control the message.

But Then came the rise of social media and they were not able to kept strict control of the message. They still had major influence over it and It work to their advantage with the Obama campaign.

But the rise of trump who took the right wing agenda that had been on Fox News and right wing radio for years to get boring politicians like Romney and McConnell in office.

But trump took their playbook and got himself into office.

But what 95% of the people do not realize, the rise of Bernie sanders and almost taking down of Hillary Clinton scared them the most. So the FDR economic agenda Bernie was running on scared the elites and it was starting to catch fire and they needed to stop it.

So this is why you see the rise of this extreme wokeness. They needed lefties distracted on economic issues. Like the gop did to the right in the 80’s

The south was solid democrats after ww2 and they were Dixiecrats that voted on race and economic issues for the middle and working class.

But when LBJ passed the civil rights act and the GOP started using racist dog whistle politics to gain power and we started seeing a dismantling of the new deal that built the middle class in the 40’s 50’s and 60’s.

So when Bernie was campaigning on a return to new deal economics the elites had to divide and distract. They threw the kitchen sink at the internet. So they had to get the left so focused on culture issues they forget about the economic agenda.

Then things like incels who health has been so damaged by the toxic corporate food and big pharma medicines they are given and is killing their health and Instead of figuring out it is the corporate food they have been eating, it’s evil women.

And you can go down the list culture issues to divide and distract.
They can’t control the entire message of the internet. But you can distract. Blame your neighbor , blame men , blame women. The internet was actually connecting people and bringing people together like it does on this forum.
So they had to add so much fire to wedge issues, make it so tribal to get people to the point where if you like the opposing party everything else you say is evil also.

But as you can see they are trying to censor the internet now. Because distracting helps keep control so they people do not understand why their lives suck now. But it’s also causing so much chaos in society and if there to much chaos in society you can’t control that either.

So all of this is psyops pushed by government and corporate agendas while they figure out a way to control the internet.
 

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That is what the article is saying, not me. I was just summarizing it.
As far as men ending up with coworkers - it is not surprising, considering nowadays people spend 8-10 hours a day at work, so the opportunity to date out of the work circle are limited. Not many people have the excess energy for doing extra effort to shower/workout/prep AFTER 8-10 hours of work and then going on a date for another 4-5 hours with a stranger that more often than not ends up not being a good match. It makes sense to focus the efforts on the work place, especially if the employer is a large company and has many young people running around and trying match up. There are many studies on this topic. If you Google for "cupid at the workplace" (no quotes when you search) you will find a lot of articles and studies.
Ya, that makes a lot of sense thank you Haidut 👍! Any studies on meaningful work that brings people a sense of purpose with helping keeping vitality up? I work a job that I believe brings me purpose and meaning, and some other people I know do as well, and we still have energy to do all those things, but if people are working soul sucking jobs than keeping things within an arm reach would be a reasonable option.
 

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I don't know if nofap is a govt op but I don't think it is healthy to artificially impose yet another "rule" in our lives. Sure, constant overstimulation and masturbation is certainly harmful but the latter is an attempt to reduce perceived stress, as Peat mentioned. If the stress is there 24x7, I don't think removing an, albeit less-than-optimal, stress relieve option would be beneficial. Porn is more likely to be a govt psyop than nofap, since porn degrades/devalues the human sexual interaction and turns it into a mere product/transaction, which over time leads men and women to treat each other with the same transactional attitude. As such, when conflict between a man and woman arises (inevitably), instead of being incentivized to work through their problems, both the man and the woman are incentivized to simply replace the "problematic" partner/product with another, less problematic one - i.e. the same way we are incentivized to replace an inferior household product with a better/cheaper one. In my experience, the replacement partner is very rarely better, and if such replacements are done a sufficient number of times this behavior builds a character/personality that is incapable of connecting with anybody, sexually or otherwise.

Yikes. Doesn't sin lead you to Hell, though? If anything, NoFap is a grassroots movement organized by young men who are sick of seeing their lives get ruined by their porn/masturbation addiction
 

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That is what the article is saying, not me. I was just summarizing it.
As far as men ending up with coworkers - it is not surprising, considering nowadays people spend 8-10 hours a day at work, so the opportunity to date out of the work circle are limited. Not many people have the excess energy for doing extra effort to shower/workout/prep AFTER 8-10 hours of work and then going on a date for another 4-5 hours with a stranger that more often than not ends up not being a good match. It makes sense to focus the efforts on the work place, especially if the employer is a large company and has many young people running around and trying match up. There are many studies on this topic. If you Google for "cupid at the workplace" (no quotes when you search) you will find a lot of articles and studies.
Hadiut on another note I’m kinda drunk but still pretty conscious, how does one achieve this loose state alcohol induced without consuming alcohol, I feel so free and just chill and ready to have good time anywhere also libido is pretty high right now, I was talking every girl I could in the club and having really good success, I just want to feel this way all the time without the toxic effects of alcohol lol. If there is anyway to achieve this blissful state again, without alcohol let me know. Side note I’m also very warm hands, nose and ears wondering if it has a transient effect on thyroid somehow, drink of choice all night was a gin based drink called long drink. I probably will feel like ***t after but whatever. I had a great time lol.
 

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Hadiut on another note I’m kinda drunk but still pretty conscious, how does one achieve this loose state alcohol induced without consuming alcohol, I feel so free and just chill and ready to have good time anywhere also libido is pretty high right now, I was talking every girl I could in the club and having really good success, I just want to feel this way all the time without the toxic effects of alcohol lol. If there is anyway to achieve this blissful state again, without alcohol let me know. Side note I’m also very warm hands, nose and ears wondering if it has a transient effect on thyroid somehow, drink of choice all night was a gin based drink called long drink. I probably will feel like ***t after but whatever. I had a great time lol.
Speech was also extremely fluid every word I needed came to me that made for an awesome interaction with all the girls I talked to, and even guys
 

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The way I see it - this victimisation stuff is a bit busted. All this talk about "the elites" and "them" manipulating everyone, and people being victims of "them", and "them" dominating people - while I get the desire for the banter, is a bit pointless and somewhat of a red herring.

At every level of society there are people in "power" positions and those people tend to manipulate others - human nature. Exhibited from the most innocent settings - like in school playgrounds where the popular kid will dominate the narrative and influence what the other kids do and how they perceive their social world - through to religion, government and media controllers. It's nothing new, although granted it's important to be aware of. In other words “Them” and “they” are everywhere, always have been and are, at least for now, part of the way humans socialise and structure.

If one were to be concerned with manipulative forces in society, rather than look at "them" who are doing it to "us", it would probably be better to take a more systemic perspective. Money, for example, is the most manipulative mechanism in all of human history with it's only rival for that top mantel being religion. It is the motivating and driving force in all things when it comes to getting people to do things they otherwise wouldn't.. but money is systemic. To get rid of money, would mean to get rid of society and the world as we know it and I'm sure most people wouldn't want that. But let's be honest, the economic system is set up in such a way that it makes manipulation so easy. If you want something done that someone would never normally do on their own accord (which would be a high percentage of human activities), then just pay them an amount that motivates them. Money, of course, has many positive benefits as well, so in this regard it's taking the good with the bad and just being aware of the situation. In a sense I guess you could say the same of religion, although religion has far less benefits and arguably greatly hinders progress and evolution.

And now comes a little bit of harsh reality, and the recognition of the human condition - If there are people in the world that allow themselves to be that easily manipulated, and are that out of touch with their own nature that they can't navigate and realise when they are straying way off centre, and not self reflect on and grow in order to filter out the crap being fed to them... Then I guess they are just loosing in the game of life, right. It's just the way it works, if animals (humans included) aren't evolving they are getting left by the wayside. So if people are that easily influenced by ridiculous narratives, the media, influencers, religion and of course financial incentives.. then there's not much hope for them either way and they certainly aren't evolving.

The point here is to be more aware of NOT being influenced by forces and persuaded of things that are clearly well out of line with our nature. An innate compass to navigate what those things are is something that is procured over time and requires practice and conscious awareness. It takes patience and a willingness to periodically throughout the day be absent of sensory stimulation and to reflect and be present internally as well as externally. Being a quality human in modern society takes effort, training and discipline. Banging away at keyboards, and being angry at "them" certainly doesn't do that, and probably just plays into the entire viscous cycle.

Who knows, what may arise from all this is a new generation of humans that aren't as easily manipulated and influenced by media, religion, gurus, myths, money and populist opinion. If that happened society as we know it, and the human world in general would certainly change.

I hope not to offend anyone but I do find the comments on Christianity in this thread ironically amusing, since in all likely hood the religion was fabricated to exert power and control over the masses through threats of hell and damnation for disobedience and promises of heaven and glory for conformity.. and fit the "elites" such as kings and queens, the court structure and the law, and of course the church structure etc into the tapestry of the divine hierarchy. Turn the other cheek and accept how life is, even if you feel it is unjust, for it is god's will and in death you will reap all the benefits. Slaves accept your masters and you too will be saved. The message is hilarious. And nothing is private and yours - even god watches and judges your private intimate moments if it is not condoned through the institution of "marriage". Funny stuff.

It is funny stuff - you didn't offend anyone - all you really did was expose yourself as a HYPOCRITE and a illogical CLOWN

You LITERALLY believe in Evolution - a theory created and forced into the Education System (Which they own) for the sole purpose of justifying their Eugenics Program that they are rolling out this decade to cull PLEBS LIKE YOU

There is no proof of Evolution - not a SINGLE SHRED of Evidence (if you think there is show it to me and I'll dismantle it for your PLEB BRAIN) - Masons have OPENLY PUBLISHED works ADMITTING they made the whole thing up and BRAGGING about how dumb plebs have to be to believe in this trash

Neil Degresse Tyson, Richard Dawkins, and Christopher Hutchins, etc all these pseudo-intellectuals get paid checks to write this made up trash that you shill on here for free

The Education System is the MAIN TOOL of Indoctrination - ALL US UNIVERSITIES Participated in the CIA's Mind Control Program - Nearly ALL US UNIVERSITIES were forced to have the vaxxx mandate - these are YOUR PUPPETMASTERS

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DONT try to use the term puppet or puppetmaster to describe anyone on here When you lack basic critical thinking skills.

WHETHER YOU BELIEVE in God or not - the fact of the matter is that THE MOST HISTORICALLY ACCURATE texts you will find in this world are ALL religious documents - it is literally more LOGICAL to believe in religion than to believe in Evolution/Big Bang - all this other made up trash they put in schools to turn you into a mind-controlled slave
 

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Have you ever read any of the gospels, or the other books of the New Testament?
No he didn't tanka - just skimmed through it and continued reading his masonic indoctrination books

I went to a Christian school, I’ve got the gist of it… is there something you’re referring to specifically?
That means NOTHING - they don't actually teach kids the Bible in Christian Schools and I would know because I went to a Christian school for 10 years - These schools still have curriculum they are REQUIRED to teach which are carefully crafted to breed hostility to religion
 

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You LITERALLY believe in Evolution
Well yeah, I mean evolution in the sense of societal and personal progress. Ie I didn't used to be able to hold a handstand but now I can for over a minute.. Didn't used to be able to squat much but now I can smash out 8 reps of 100+kgs. I have evolved physically and so has my training. My knowledge of food and nutrition has also evolved as has my knowledge of physiology over the years. My knowledge of people, relationships, and so forth has evolved. My knowledge of myself has evolved. My knowledge of business and investment has evolved. This is the sense in which I am using the term.

As far as societal progression and evolution, we now have far better surgical procedures for example (we used to cut peoples arms off but now we can fix soft tissue and bone injuries).. We have evolved in terms of our scientific understanding of energy and harnessing its abilities - light switches and electricity for example. Cars and planes, and other transport methods, heaters, food availability and production. I could go on and on.. But this is what I was referring to as evolving as people and society.

I was also referring to the concepts of survival, and survival of the fittest. Weak animals die off. That's not really controversial is it.. Weak humans will die off too in the long run, or get used and taken advantage of. Do you not agree that weak animals don't do well in the wild and will struggle unless they learn to adapt to their environmental conditions? This is what I mean in terms of adapting and recognising what you refer to as "them" when "they" are attempting to manipulate you and being able to filter through the crap. Humans in general will need to learn how to intuitively do this if not to get taken advantage of.

The greater concept of evolution in terms of species adaption to environmental factors over immense time periods is another thing entirely and something I am not discussing here, it has no relevance.
There is no proof of Evolution
This term is quite triggering for you.
THE MOST HISTORICALLY ACCURATE texts you will find in this world are ALL religious documents
all you really did was expose yourself as a HYPOCRITE and a illogical CLOWN
you lack basic critical thinking skills.
they are rolling out this decade to cull PLEBS LIKE YOU

Maybe take a second to calm down, you seem very offended. Like I said, not my intention in that post.
 
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Tinder is solely responsible for the incel phenomenon. With online dating apps female behavior also changed. I live on a university campus. Literally every woman takes the earliest classes possible and leaves campus before 12. No attractive one lives on campus or ever lingers around. When they go to gyms it is female only, female only social events, etc. They have turned socially avoiding men into an art. I am never in proximity to a woman of my age in my daily life. The only way to meet women as a young man now is though online dating apps, on their terms, where the competition is high, and their egos are grossly inflated (an average girl can log in to Tinder and schedule sex with a male model looking guy within minutes).

Pre-Tinder people met through social circle, events, or nightclubs. this is no longer the case.
 
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Tinder is solely responsible for the incel phenomenon. With online dating apps female behavior also changed. I live on a university campus. Literally every woman takes the earliest classes possible and leaves campus before 12. No attractive one lives on campus or ever lingers around. When they go to gyms it is female only, female only social events, etc. They have turned socially avoiding men into an art. I am never in proximity to a woman of my age in my daily life. The only way to meet women as a young man now is though online dating apps, on their terms, where the competition is high, and their egos are grossly inflated (an average girl can log in to Tinder and schedule sex with a male model looking guy within minutes).

Pre-Tinder people met through social circle, events, or nightclubs. this is no longer the case.
I can't know if I'd be considered unattractive by your standards, but I stay around uni all the time and I've gone to mixed gender events and tried to approach and befriend guys numerous times. They're avoidant, aloof, takes months for them to just remember my name, and it's impossible to enter their tight knit exclusive social groups. They are super closed off, pretend you aren't there when you try to interact with them and ignore anything you say when you try to join in on conversation. It's like you have to jump through hoops just to have your existence acknowledged. In my 4 years at this uni, I never even once got approached by a male or female despite being open and receptive. Had to do all the approaching and it was all futile effort. The only group of people that's been an exception to this cold, elitist and closed off behaviour is indian people.
 

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