- Mar 3, 2017
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Do you also know that many people died shortly after the administration of the vaccine I suppose ?!
It is interesting that this is your first message and you have been on the forum for 3-4 years, the first message in which you encourage people to get vaccinated! Suspicious...
Your semantics approach is breathtaking. It's like playing tag with a kid who won't sit out because "you never touched him." Even though he's been tagged like 50 times.
This happened to my grandfather in the nursing home. He apparently tested positive for covid during an outbreak in the nursing home he was staying in. Nursing staff declined coming in to work for 3 days and a bunch of eradic measures were taken within the facility. I think that because he wasn’t getting proper care for 3 days and his medications were missed, he died because of neglect and malpractice. Also, they ended up turning off the ventilation because they thought it was spreading through the hvac system.... Nobody was allowed into the nursing home during the outbreak so for all I know they could have been doing much worse to him... Around that time 100 residents passed away. Sounds like the devil to me.You need to find out who is being intubated, it’s possible they are not intubating the vaccinated.
Intubation is what causes death spikes, also nursing home neglect of the vulnerable.
Maybe my systematic approach is confusing to you? It's not as if anyone has demonstrated that in the U.S. the unvaccinated are *not* dying more from hospitalized Covid than the vaccinated. And then this gets interpreted as me trusting the CDC, wanting to get the vaccine, etc. When in reality I'm just trying to be systematic. At least more systematic than our policymakers and media outlets. I thought being systematic was the rule here regarding the pandemic.
I understand your need for purity and certainty, but you will never have such when crooks control the data. You have to learn to navigate by other means or you will be in a forever state of uncertainty. That's what they want because that's their power.
Not to be rude, but I don't think you have the capacity to understand what I'm saying or my viewpoint. If you think I'm looking for certainty then you just simply don't understand anything I've communicated.
Also not to be rude, but can you please take your authoritarian impulses to a different thread and stop telling me my philosophy/approach/viewpoint is wrong?
I'm not saying it's wrong, I'm saying it's unproductive. I think I'm pretty capable of understanding your viewpoint - if you can articulate it coherently. Usually when someone can't they really don't understand well what they think they understand.
Saying it's unproductive is also an authoritarian impulse. And just because you've presumed me to be saying something and I haven't preemptively described my approach in full does not mean that I don't have a coherent approach.
It's ok if what I'm doing here doesn't resonate with you or make sense or seem like the right approach. I'm not trying to persuade you to have my approach.
And it's an authoritarian impulse to extend your belief to saying people must process the world the way you do.
You are free to process the world however you see fit, but it's an act of love to warn people when they are in violation of truth's laws, because the results are never good when you wander off into your own little illusory world.
The United Kingdom and Israel were hit with the Delta variant earlier than the United States so you will likely get a better picture of Delta’s impact looking at their data. There is no reason to think that data will not eventually look the same in the US....are the recent reports of the states with the lowest vaccination rates have highest Covid deaths. Has anyone found issues with this data so far? I've not been afraid by a single media story since the start of the pandemic till this one.
Maybe my systematic approach is confusing to you? It's not as if anyone has demonstrated that in the U.S. the unvaccinated are *not* dying more from hospitalized Covid than the vaccinated.
I expressed concern about the story of more unvaccinated people dying than vaccinated. And the replies were largely about how the entire pandemic is fraudulent, how testing is fraudulent, how vaccines aren't safe, etc. Sometimes in a condescending tone. All things which I already believe.
What I've gathered is that that story claim can't really be concretely refuted because none of us know what the numbers actually are in the U.S. nevertheless, it's all I seem to encounter lately from multiple media outlets, podcasts, etc....that it's 'abundantly clear' that the unvaccinated are dying more than the vaccinated.
I suspect that the majority of people choosing not to get the COVID vaccine are concerned about the longer term risks to their health span because no one knows what they might be. There is a lot of data available on the mortality risk of COVID by age and pre-existing comorbidity so each individual can make some judgement on their risk. If you look at other studies on COVID disease risk such as the Vitamin D correlation, you can refine your individual risk judgement further.what do you have to loose?
Could you outline your approach in detail? Checking different media outlets, goverment statistics and podcasts, piecing it together will only bring you so far, might even end up in you running into a deadend and doubting your own eyes/experiences.
Ofcourse unvaccinated are dying, so are vaccinated. By what has to be figured out by individual case basis, which is not done. Knowing this, why take these claims or graphs at face value? People constantly die without ever finding out why or how exactly. The reality is, at the end someone wrote "heartfailure" or "covid" on the death certificate and that ends up in a statistic/graph, shaping medical and political decisions eventho the actual cause that preceeded them needs to be adressed. I think most of us know here that causes of deaths are more complex than what the media or a medication salesmen in a white coat tells you.
There is no actual data portraying "reality" because theres to many factors, both known and unknown that are involved. You will find data that agrees and disagrees with either narrative. Therefore it cannot be abundantly clear. Hunting graphs, knowing the information displayed is acquired wrongly in the first place sounds like a huge waste of time.
You say you know the information is fraudulent yet need people here for evidence why that is. Kind of a Oxymoron and also almost impossible to do. Tankasnowgod said it right, its just a claim which can be met with a counterclaim. The big issue is that society allowed claims which were accompanied by deceiving data to put the world upside down.
Imo not letting news or numbers get to you is the best course of action. Everything else is just needless arguing while the whole game keeps on rolling.
Not everyone was condecending, but actually trying to help you to calm your mind because thats actually something people can do, dismantling authoritharian made up numbers and narratives in the way you want them to, most of us cannot ...
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