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"The Fallacy Of Administering Mixtures Of Crystalline Vitamins Alone In Nutritional Deficiency"

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    @Diokine
    Those were kind words. Do you find the highlights distracting or helpful? Sometimes I find they interfere with the entire paragraph, but I'm not sure if I want to defy Makrosky: he forced me to do this.

    There is the conserving route for recovery, in which the person must slow everything down and hopefully the coma pays off over time and the person is able to regenerate. But people usually choose the stimulating path, which is great only as long as there's broad coverage.

    Casein is an example. It's very anabolic, but if the person is depleted, it will deplete the person further in a way that it was preferable to avoid it. This is why there has to be a foundation for therapeutic supplements to work, and when there is, even though the need for specific nutrients will be elevated for some time, no extreme amounts will be needed.

    I sent this to Zeus and thought that others might be interested.
    Of course, Gerson in his book:

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    "The nuclei of liver cells contain a greater amount of nucleic acids which have to be broken down to uric acid and purin bases. The favorable results obtained with a saltless diet and of liver therapy in the form of raw liver, liver injections, and best with liver juice exceeded by far the results seen by the application of the normal nutrition plus the usual liver therapy.

    Practical experience taught us that in malignancies it is advisable to apply immediately larger doses of liver juice and injections with the crudest liver extract like Lilly . No. 370 3cc. combined with vitamin B12 1cc. equal 50 mcg. Vitamin B12 seems to help the body make the correct use of amino acids, so that they will not be burned unnecessarily but used instead for constructive purposes. In cancer, it is one of the essential processes to restore the conditions under which foodstuffs can be used in the correct manner. In the last seven to ten years we treated a great number of patients, mostly difficult or terminal cases, with relatively favorable results."

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    "Liver can be taken as nourishment even by those allergic patients who are highly hypersensitive to animal proteins; as therapy, however, liver nutrition is not sufficient, but must be supported by a more specific liver therapy. Where stronger liver stimulation appears necessary, as in cases of serious intoxication and degenerative diseases, extensive liver injections and liver juice therapy are necessary. The combination of liver therapy and diet was necessary in serious cases of osteoarthritis, asthma, angina pectoris and malignancies. The combination of a saltless diet, poor in fat and proteins, with the liver therapy, regularly lowers the blood sugar considerably, so that the diet increased the effect of the liver enzymes, increased the effect of insulin, and decreased the adrenalin effect to a great extent. Accqrding to Ernst Leupold, the lowering of the blood sugar level is of great significance in cancer patients, and the decrease of the adrenalin effect is regarded so important, that in the last decade even both adrenals were removed by operation, which is too radical and prevents the restoration."

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    "The fresh calfs liver juice contains the highest amount of oxidizing enzymes, most of the minerals of the potassium group, especially a high content of iron, copper and copalt, as well as hormones and vitamins in the best activated composition. The liver juice is prepared from equal parts of fresh (not frozen) young calf's liver and carrots. Do not add any medication to liver juice in order not to change the pH."

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    "Cut 1/2 lb. fresh unwashed, NOT FROZEN, young calf's liver into 1" strips, (weight of entire liver 2 1/2 to 4 lbs.) Add 3/4 lb. of whole fresh carrots (not those in plastic bags3) and one small apple.

    Take alternate portions of liver and carrots and grind twice•, mix well.

    FOR PRESSING -- put 2 white paper napkins•, each folded in half, crosswise on moistened cloth. Place 2 tablespoons of mixture in center of napkin. Fold 4 sides of napkin over mixture, then fold cloth in the same way and press. Repeat process until all is pressed, each time taking new paper napkins. Drink IMMEDIATELY and take some orange juice after. Use nylon cloth 12" square.
    If you cannot get fresh liver daily", buy double the amount. Use half at once and save the other half unwashed in a tightly covered glass jar in refrigerator, above freezing -- 36°F. (DO NOT FREEZE) for the next day.

    • No medication in liver juice."

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    In my opinion, a liver extract is preferable to whole liver because copper will be a limiting nutrient, followed maybe by vitamin A. Juicing it might normalize the content for daily consumption.
     
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    This is all music to my dog's ear and tastebuds. I wish I were he.
     
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    Great thread. The Biskinds have earned a place on the RP reading list.
     
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    @Amazoniac thank you for your tireless work. Priceless. We need to stop reinventing the wheel.

    Thank you for posting the liver juice recipe. I used to give raw liver juice to my children when they were little. I think I will re-introduce it. Is it any wonder diabetes is rampant.
     
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    They work in the quality department: if they happen to refuse a piece of meat, you can bet it has something wrong with it. Do they refuse powdered meat?

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    The Clinical Significance of the Interrelation of Nutrient Factors - ScienceDirect

    "Let us first consider the ramifications of vitamin A. The two physical signs most clearly associated with avitaminosis A are impaired adaptation to darkness and hyperkeratosis. However, Stewart2 reported that daily doses of 150 mg. of ascorbic acid produced as great an improvement in dark adaptation as did daily doses of 24,000 I.U. of vitamin A. Furthermore, good adaptation was invariably shown by subjects with a dietary history adequate for vitamins A and C. Poor adaptation was associated with a low intake of both of these substances. Vitamins A and C are also partially interrelated in that the blood and liver content of ascorbic acid was less than half of normal in experimental vitamin A deficiency, while scorbutic signs could be aggravated by increasing the protein content of the diet in avitaminosis A.3"

    Several reports have shown that hyperkeratotic lesion, similar to those seen in avitaminosis A, may be found in scurvy and niacin deficiency. The skin apparently may also reflect a disturbance in fatty acids and pyridoxine. If, as has been suggested,4 pyridoxine is connected with the utilization of unsaturated fatty acids we can see how a single lesion may be the result of an inadequate amount of two or more unrelated nutrients.

    Vitamin A, furthermore, is partially dependent on vitamin E. Adequate hepatic stores of vitamin A require a sufficient intake of vitamin E. Curiously, however, cod liver and other fish oils (which contain vitamin A) can destroy vitamin E in the intestines, if fed within a few minutes of each other.5 Here riboflavin enters the picture, for it can counteract this deleterious effect of marine fatty acids under certain conditions.

    In addition, a number of investigators have shown that in the presence of vitamin A deficiency large doses of vitamin D produced toxic changes which did not occur if adequate amounts of vitamin A were given.

    Vitamin A also plays a role in protein metabolism. It is essential for the growth of tissue (protein) in young rats, but not for its maintenance in adulthood. It has been said that vitamin A is held in the liver in the form of a protein complex. Alcohol invariably hastened the depletion of hepatic vitamin A stores, probably by lowering the liver component to which the vitamin is attached.

    It also appears that in patients with cancer an adequate intake of choline is necessary for normal lipid metabolism before vitamin A can be utilized.6 Thus we have seen that vitamin A is directly involved in the metabolism of choline and vitamins C, D and E."

    "Riboflavin deficiency undoubtedly results in cheilosis. However! This clinical sign is not "specific" for ariboflavinosis. Machella, 7 for example, found improvement in nine of thirteen cases of cheilosis on pyridoxine alone. The other four also failed to respond to riboflavin administration. In fact, vitamin C produced healing in two cases which had not responded to the entire B complex group.

    Corneal vascularization may be due to riboflavin deficiency. Kruse8 believes this is specific. However, it has been shown that the lesion merely means that at one time a deficiency of riboflavin occurred and trauma such as wind or dust may reactivate its presence. This vascularization may be a nonspecific response to a general vitamin deficiency. In Similar lesions have been described in experimental deficiencies of vitamin A, tryptophane, lysine, zinc and sodium.Eleven That the same lesion may be produced by multiple deficiency (Table 1) was further shown by Sydenstricker and his associatesTwelve in rats where corneal vascularization followed the lack of anyone of the ten essential amino acids as well as pyridoxine and pantothenic acid.

    Tongue changes have long been considered a specific B complex lesion. However, Bakwin and othersThirteen reported that in a group of sixty children with glossitis and fissures of the tongue even prolonged (as much as two years!) and adequate nicotinamide therapy produced a very slow, irregular response if at all. Furthermore, the diets of these children did not differ significantly from those with normal tongues and they concluded that it has not been proved that these common tongue lesions are caused by aniacinosis. Others14 also caution against the concept of a typical pellagra glossitis or "riboflavin tongue."

    Riboflavin and niacin are essential in the assimilation of protein and in its resynthesis into tissue protein. The site of this interaction is probably in the liver, for the hepatic content of those substances was increased by feeding a high protein diet and not by excessive feeding of the vitamins themselves. Thiamine did not join this group, for it varied directly with its dietary intake.15

    Niacin alone of the B group can alleviate the severity of choline deficiency in rats.16 Many other relationships between these members of the water-soluble group exist. Thus, in a deficiency of thiamine, riboflavin or vitamin A, but no pyridoxine, there is a reduction in the vitamin C content of tissue.17 Another example is the findings that thiamine and pantothenic acid deficiencies interfere with riboflavin mobilization in the liver.18

    At times, however, the administration of one member may produce a deficiency syndrome. This curious finding occurred when six members of the B complex group (thiamine, riboflavin, pyridoxine, niacin, choline and pantothenic acid) were fed with inositol. A syndrome developed which could only be prevented by para-aminobenzoic acid, but if paraaminobenzoic acid were added to these same six vitamins, inositol deficiency resulted.19 The explanation apparently lies in the bacterial synthesis of bacteria which will be discussed below.

    Another finding of clinical importance is that in cases of thiamine deficiency there is a disturbance in riboflavin metabolism, although the reverse does not hold true. Thus, riboflavin deficiency may exist as a result of impaired utilization in the presence of insufficient thiamine as well as a result of an intake insufficient for the body's needs.20

    Pellagra, of course, is known to be a "specific" deficiency disease. For many years the role of corn in the production of pellagra was a puzzle and challenge. It was known that aniacinosis may exist in corn eaters even when their diets contained more niacin than in other pellagra-producing diets. It was more recently found that niacin and tryptophane are essentially interchangeable. Corn protein has a very low tryptophane content and it is believed that pellagra represents a combined niacin and tryptophane deficiency. It is now known that pyridoxine (vitamin B6) is necessary for the conversion of tryptophane to niacin. Hence, it is likely that here, too, is an example of either the nonspecificity of nutritional "lesions" or better, the close interrelation of all vital stufffoods.

    The type of diet, of course, greatly affects the balance between vitamins. A high fat diet may increase the body's need for riboflavin and vitamin E but may spare some nicotinic acid.[*] Pantothenic acid deficiency becomes more pronounced on a high-carbohydrate diet than on a high fat diet, while if fat is omitted, a pyridoxine deficiency becomes more pronounced. Furthermore, the requirements for all members of the B complex group depends on the carbohydrate intake (for their role is predominantly in carbohydrate intermediary metabolism) (Table 2). But not all carbohydrates act similarly. Generally speaking, starch, lactose, glucose and sucrose in that order favor intestinal synthesis (vide infra) but that order varies somewhat with specific vitamins.21 Significantly, thiamine synthesis is depressed by rice, which itself is practically devoid of thiamine, and this may explain the prevalence of beriberi in rice-eating regions."
    *This explains the higher riboflavin content of milch. Some is lost when cheese is made. If it's no longer a high-fat food, niacin followed by the others must enter the story in greater amounts.

    "Ascorbic acid plays a role of many facets in our metabolism. While gingivitis is frequently found with lack of this vitamin, it may also be present in deficiency of vitamins A, D and niacin. Furthermore, scurvy exists without gingivitis and gingivitis in otherwise healthy individuals may not respond to ascorbic acid therapy.

    Vitamin C also favors the absorption of iron by preventing the oxidation of the ferrous form to ferric which is less readily absorbed.22 In addition, vitamin A is related to vitamin C in that the ability of cattle to synthesize vitamin C is reduced in the presence of vitamin A deficiency. The clinical value of an adequate vitamin C intake is apparent.

    Since vitamin C is necessary for the formation and maintenance of intercellular supporting tissues and vitamin D is essential for the calcification of such tissues as growing enamel dentin and alveolar bone, it may be worthwhile digesting to review what we know about that most common of all diseases--dental caries."

    burltan!


    "While one would like to think that nutritional deficiencies (therefore amenable to treatment) may cause caries, it is, however, frequently observed28 that caries occurs in people subsisting on an "optimal" diet and is just as frequently absent in people on a nutritionally deficient diet. In fact, it has even been suggested that there is a reduced susceptibility to dental decay in malnourished children.24 At any rate, it is more than likely that the physical nature of the diet is more important than the chemical content."

    "[..]calcium utilization is adversely affected by an excess of magnesium and oxalate in the diet. While both calcium and magnesium absorption is favored by a high phosphorus diet (as well as an acid reaction in the intestine), iron and manganese form insoluble phosphate compounds in the bowel and may therefore impair phosphorus absorption.24"

    "Follis11 has made the interesting observation that certain myocardial lesions may occur in experimental potassium deficiency, but if there should be a concomitant thiamine deficiency no such lesion appears."

    "[..]pyridoxine deficient rats had an impaired antibody producing ability."

    "[..]Even the l and d (optical rotary forms) amino acids seem to compete with each other "for the means by which cells concentrate the amino acids presented them by the extracellular fluid.34 The absence of a vitamin may affect the urinary excretion of amino acids. That is, the excretion of arginine, phenylalanine, tryptophane and histidine, for example, is increased by riboflavin deficiency but unaffected by lack of niacin.35"

    "[..]all the essential amino acids must be fed simultaneously for maximal growth in animals. After protein depletion, the increase in weight on re-feeding was retarded if protein and other nutrients were not fed at the same time. Furthermore, cataracts which develop on a tryptophane-deficient diet can be prevented only by feeding that essential amino acid simultaneously with the other amino acids."

    "These reports emphasize the vital necessity of an adequate diet, adequate in all respects and balanced so that at the same time all essential nutrients can enter the body and be used where they are needed. A house is composed of many things and many things must be available at the one time before it can be built."

    "Friedberg and Greenberg36 found that plasma amino acid levels were increased by thyroxine and adrenal cortical extract and decreased by insulin, epinephrine, estrogen, thiouracil and hypophysectomy."

    "Recently, the role of the B complex group of vitamins in estrogen metabolism has been studied. It was at first suggested that vitamin B complex deficiency impaired the liver's ability to inactivate estrogen.37 Later it was shown that the concomitant inanition was the chief factor in this effect.38 It now appears that folic acid enables the tissues to respond to estrogen. This also has been confirmed by the administration of folic acid antagonists.39"
    And from what I read, in cholin inadequacy, estrogen is needed to enhance internal synthesis. So taking extra folic acid can have that effect.

    "On the principle that if 1 mg. of thiamine is good, 100 mg. is 100 times better, many physicians are prescribing excessive quantities of one or several vitamins. However, many years ago, it was noted that if thiamine alone were used in the treatment of multiple dietary deficiencies, the symptoms of an acute niacin deficiency may occur; while the administration of niacin alone to pellagrins aggrevated certain signs presumably due to other nutritional deficiencies."

    "Recently it was shown41 that when patients with pernicious anemia and sprue were treated with folic acid, various signs of vitamin B complex deficiencies appeared only to disappear after liver therapy. Here, again, we see the importance of balance in the administration of nutrients."

    "A metabolic antagonist of particular clinical importance is that of a coumarin derivative (isolated originally from spoiled sweet clover) which prolongs the prothrombin time by interfering with the function of vitamin K. Structurally, vitamin K is very similar to one-half of the symmetrical configuration of Dicumarol."

    "Young and James47 found that vitamin C was destroyed by E. coli and A. aerogenes under both aerobic and anerobic conditions, but in the presence of fermentable carbohydrate (i.e., glucose) that vitamin was protected from microbic decomposition.48 From this one can expect that avitaminosis C will occur if insufficient carbohydrate is presented to an intestine harboring a luxuriant growth of these common organisms."

    "On the other hand, folic acid, biotin and para-aminobenzoic acid are synthesized by bacteria as their fecal and urinary excretion often exceeds the intake.49 Moreover, there is experimental evidence that bacterial synthesis of thiamine, riboflavin, niacin and pyridoxine may occur. In fact, the presence of relatively insoluble carbohydrates such as dextrin or starch may provide a substrate for added bacterial synthesis of these vitamins, for the vitamin requirements of animals was reduced by feeding this type of carbohydrate. Another example of the effect of the type of diet on bacterial synthesis of vitamins is the report that a high proteid diet tends to suppress riboflavin synthesis, but thiamine synthesis in the intestine is enhanced by dextrose."

    "Even under identical conditions of diet and environment, however, there is a wide variation in the quantities which one individual can synthesize as compared with another. Indeed, intestinal bacterial synthesis may reach high levels. Thus, Najjar and his co-workersso reported that on a riboflavin-free diet for over three months no clinical or chemical signs of deficiency occurred in human subjects. It is assumed that bacterial synthesis supplied this essential nutrient."

    "This brief review of the highlights of a massive literature on nutritional interrelationships emphasizes two concepts.
    (1) The results of experimental single nutritional deficiencies show widespread effects of metabolic disorders. This can readily be understood by remembering the function of vitamins, to mention only one group of nutrients (Table 2). These essential metabolites by virtue of their place in intermediary metabolism directly or indirectly influence every tissue and structure of the body.
    (2) Every nutrient affects and in return is affected by every other nutrient because our body is like a vast city in which the carpenter depends on the cobbler for shoes, and the cobbler on the carpenter for his bench and both on the baker for bread.

    Clinically, a pure single nutritional deficiency is a theoretical improbability or even impossibility, although such disorders may be predominantly of one type or another. The treatment of these deficiencies, whether due to decreased supply or increased demand, or both, involves not only replacement of the primary substance but also the administration of all interrelated nutrients, for each essential metabolite is its brother's keeper.

    We have seen that certain clinical lesions, formerly said to be "specific" for a nutrient insufficiency, may be caused by several avitaminoses. Most vitamins and amino acids are interrelated and one may substitute in part for the other. Minerals as well as vitamins are greatly affected by the type of diet consumed.

    Nutritional factors are affected by hormonal changes and in turn affect the endocrine system. Antimetabolites have been discovered and perhaps are important clinically in inducing or aggravating deficiencies. Furthermore, bacterial synthesis of vitamins at all times must be considered in the total nutritional picture.

    Because, for optimal effect, all essential nutrients must be available to the body at the same time, all therapeutic considerations must include the time element. Excessive and unbalanced administration of vitamins may precipitate other avitaminoses."
     
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    Thank you amazoniac. These two paragraphs really ressonated with me.. if there is anything I have learned for sure with all the supplements I have bought is that anything taken in isolation will eventually imbalance the body. I like how much focus This imortant point has over at hackstasis. Although it also means everything is constantly uncertain when it comes to supplementing.. Eating enough and as varied a diet as possible seems the best approach to me if one suspects a deficiency :)
     
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    Good points! The problem as I see it is determining exactly what to "overdose" on.. One winds up having to take bolus amounts of so many nutrients to avoid creating more imbalance.. slow and steady I reckon will win that race, although your quotes above say: maybe not-so-much.. :)

    Even hair testing which is quite the thing on the beforementioned forum is somewhat (read: very) confusing as once does not know what goes on inside the cell and what is dumped.. Even our former (now banned) guru recently said so.
     
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    I agree it makes one think but doing anything becomes very difficult. It does seem to me that high-carbs diet may require b-vitamins assistance.
     
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    Yeah while liver has helped, for me I needed more than that especially as liver has way more vitamin A than I felt comfortable with. Lately I have had a craving for sprouted grains and whole grains in general (after 6 years of mostly avoiding). I like to follow my craving when it comes to foods like that.
     
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    What is a crystalline vitamin?
     
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    First of all, I must say that I'm not intimidated by pinschers, but I am by territorial enbiggened dobermanns, pitbulls, rottweilers, german sheperds, @boxers and maybe alaskan malamutes. When I'm faced by one of them I just pretend that I don't feel threatened and pray inside that they correspond. I look away but only as far as I can keep monitoring while thinking about the next element of the environment that I'm going to use as self-defense weapon. I also feel the urge to speed up the walking pace but arrest it to not instigate chasing. But this has nothing to with your post.

    I think the vitamins directly involved in cellular respiration require extra supplementation, but they will only work if the base is increased as support.

    https://raypeatforum.com/community/quotes/744/

    Going the slow route can set people back on every stimulation or stress, this is one of the problems in choosing the conserving path. It's still a better bet than not backing up the boosting route because in a short time it can leave the person in a worse condition than before.

    When I mentioned Gerson above, it wasn't Gerson Biskind, it was Max:

    "Q. Is cancer a state of reaction of unrestrained excessive factors of certain hormones working on various degenerated organs or tissues?

    A. No, I don't think so. There is much more, and to answer that question I have to go deeper into the problem. We have to separate the state of pre-cancerous condition from the state where the cancer appears. In the pre-cancerous condition, all is prepared. The liver is sufficiently damaged and the other organs of the intestinal tract are damaged enough and then later the symptoms appear. Until then we have the pre-cancerous condition and this condition cannot be cured with hormones and enzymes, etc. We can to a certain degree stimulate the liver with hormones. We can stimulate the liver with cortisone. We can stimulate the liver with adrenaline, etc., but then we take out the last reserves. We empty the liver instead of refilling it. What we have to do in cancer--a degenerative deficiency disease--is to refill the organs which are empty and poisoned. Therefore it is almost a crime to give cortisone and the other stimulants which will take away the last reserves and improve the condition for a short while only."​

    Isolated/pure vitamins, can be synthetic or extract.
     
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    Since this discussion has been about a comprehensive approach, I think it's worth mentioning @j. and his valuable finding:
    https://raypeatforum.com/community/threads/b6-and-dandruff.3703/

    These guys resorted to topical application (with success) because they were dealing with skin lesions that weren't responding to oral treatment.

    "[..]in certain diseases there may be a metabolic defect in the epidermal cells so that oral or parenteral administration of the vitamin fails to reach the affected site."​

    These are specific needs. The lesions healed only where the supplement was applied, which means that there wasn't a problem with absorption. It's always preferable to ingest them for better systemic affects et distribution, first passing through the liver (and nourishing it); unless there are problems such as extreme malabsorption or infection.
    Do the checkings for yourself:

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    "[..]vitamin D is utilized as efficiently when topically administered as when fed orally."
     
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    I have been doing the thoughts on the problem of gradual vs abrupt decline. Gradual decline allows time for adaptation and people barely feel the daily insidious insults. It has been a reason for the 'Dietary sources of acids' thread. This is a problem because when people have a waking up the call one day, the situation is almost out of control and more difficult deal with. Gradual decline also affects the drive to do something about it.

    Diokine and pboy's posts always had the will component in mind, and I guess they're right because that helps guide gurus in the right direction by aligning their bodies and aiding with more sensible decisions (not wasting time, trusting intuition and reactions, getting encouragement from every little progress, etc).

    People that have a 'recovered' picture often have a before picture which they took it in a way that clearly tells you it was the moment they made up their minds that they were going to improve, it isn't usually a random lost photo, it's a robotic posture with a marking purpose.

    A lot of animal research are done in a traumatic fashion, those experiments have less relevance for chronic degenerative conditions in which it's required to correct everything that got affected with the gradual decline.
     
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    Interesting thoughts on gradual decline. I think this points to an important point often missed. This is where overtime, I have seen the biggest difference hanging out under the Ray umbrella, though occasionally I sneak out like today with a totally tasty handmade guacamole...yes true that. :eek
     
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    I wish I knew which substances could be applied locally for me to get over skin lesions I have had for 2 yrs and 1 yr. I tried niacinamide, povidone, and just recently baths with sodium thiosulfate, borax and baking soda then applying ACV. It seems to be fungal. Hoping the ACV clears it out. It has scabbed up and got pretty angry. Awesome thing is the only parts that scabbed are the parts with the infection healthy skin doesn't get irritated at straight ACV.
     
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    Most problems are induced in them in an acute way: by some strong car and cinogen. Researches aren't willing to wait for the gradual weakening, generalized depletion and spontaneous onset.

    Some people are exposed to such strong nargicocens and these are the cases which have some chance of recovering by taking extreme measures, such as fasting. But for most, they will only do the further weakenings.
    It's probably an issue of vitamins A and D insufficiency or imbalance, or all the nutrients required for them to work. Too much vit C affects trace minerals, you can be missing zinc, copper, selenium, molybdenum (gbolduev, 2017), etc. Every time I consumed more vit C than I needed, I had to do the compensatings for them later on. You've mentioned cravings for whole grains, right? This tends to be a classic sign of missing trace minerals.
    You can also try this. Heat lamps might fry the region.

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    The Addition of Choline to Parenteral Nutrition
    "Orally ingested nutrients generally are absorbed readily from the intestines and shunted to the liver for metabolism via the portal circulation (the first-pass effect). However! When nutrients are infused intravenously, they are not delivered to the liver via the portal vein initially, but via the hepatic artery after passing through the heart. The variation in nutrient assimilation may affect nutrient metabolism and downstream metabolic products. When methionine, a precursor for choline that normally is supplied in PN, is infused systemically, cysteine, similar to choline, a downstream metabolic product of the hepatic transsulfuration pathway, was virtually undetectable even in normal volunteers.13 When methionine was infused enterally in those same volunteers, plasma cysteine concentrations were slightly lower than when consumed with a meal, but substantially greater than that which resulted from systemic methionine infusion. This landmark investigation showed that the hepatic transsulfuration pathway is impaired when substrate is provided via the systemic rather than the portal circulation. The observation of Stegnik and Besten13 was later observed in patients who required parenteral feeding.14"
     
  20. Jennifer

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    Hi Janelle, have you tried an antimicrobial herbal formula (internally)? Or a healing and drawing salve containing anti-fungal herbs? We were using one on my dog's tumor (open wound) which worked well. I just checked the jar and it contains:
    • Goldenseal root
    • Horsetail
    • Calendula flower
    • Plantain leaf
    • White oak bark
    • Comfrey leaf and root
    • Slippery elm bark
    • Oregano oil
    • Aloe 100:1
    They're in a base of a few different oils like coconut oil. I used it when I had the rash from the mold and I found it soothing.