The Best Form Of Thiamine (B1) Supplement

[Josh]

What's the best form of thiamine supplement?

Theres so many!!

Thiamine Pyrophosphate / thiamine HCL / benfotiamine / allithiamine / thiamine TTFD

I’m swaying towards the thiamine pyrophosphate, this one: https://www.metabolics.com/vitamin-b1-thiamine-pyrophosphate.html

Or for thiamine HCL: https://www.metabolics.com/vitamin-b1-thiamine-hci.html

Benfotiamine: https://uk.iherb.com/pr/Life-Extension-Benfotiamine-with-Thiamine-100-mg-120-Vegetable-Capsule/7456 OR https://uk.iherb.com/pr/Doctor-s-Best-Benfotiamine-150-with-BenfoPure-150-mg-120-Veggie-Caps/42


Or is nutritional yeast enough? I just don’t want to be eating spoonfulls of that a day.

I know everyone will say diet, where i am getting over the DV for b1, but who's to know i don't have dysbiosis which is preventing proper absorption, it's just something i wan't to try out.

 

[charlie]

Its different for everyone. Some do well on HCl, while others thrive on TTFD. Benfo is a winner for others. Some seem to react to the sulfur in the TTFD which I think its possible thats the case for me. I seem to do best on HCl and Benfo along with nutritional yeast to fill in the gaps. Oh, and I do most of b vitamins topical, when ingested I find it can push gut biome in the wrong direction due to feeding of the critters (@Tarmander et el 2020). Another thing is limiting pure sugar, I think many come to Peat and "sugar it up"(table sugar) leading them to Beriberi hell. That is one thing I would have done different if I knew then what i know now, less plain sugar, and more natural sugars ala milk, fruits, honey, and maybe whole wheat rusk bread?(@paymanz et el 2020)

 

[orewashin]

@charlie What kind of negative reaction would one have from sulfur? Wouldn’t the same apply to epsom salt baths?

I get physically weak when I take TTFD and the vibration sensation in my feet hasn’t improved from taking it for a couple of weeks. I wonder if it’s ineffective, or if I haven’t taken it long enough.

I’m getting EMG and nerve conductance testing done in a couple weeks and I wonder if I should take TTFD to make issues stand out more, and be able to dismiss them better if it’s a CNS issue as opposed to PNS. The „paradoxical effect” of TTFD is strange and I wonder about its mechanism.

I agree with you about sugar. I consumed a lot of sugar in the long run, and I stopped recently because it’s not doing much for chronic fatigue, and thought it could cause deficiencies. I think if a person gains bodyfat from sugar, they should add something to utilize it properly, like B1.

 

[Tarmander]

Its different for everyone. Some do well on HCl, while others thrive on TTFD. Benfo is a winner for others. Some seem to react to the sulfur in the TTFD which I think its possible thats the case for me. I seem to do best on HCl and Benfo along with nutritional yeast to fill in the gaps. Oh, and I do most of b vitamins topical, when ingested I find it can push gut biome in the wrong direction due to feeding of the critters (@Tarmander et el 2020). Another thing is limiting pure sugar, I think many come to Peat and "sugar it up"(table sugar) leading them to Beriberi hell. That is one thing I would have done different if I knew then what i know now, less plain sugar, and more natural sugars ala milk, fruits, honey, and maybe whole wheat rusk bread?(@paymanz et el 2020)

that is interesting. How do you do Benfo topically? I would definitely be curious to try that

 

[charlie]

that is interesting. How do you do Benfo topically? I would definitely be curious to try that

Diluted in vodka. Gonna try MCT oil next.

@charlie What kind of negative reaction would one have from sulfur? Wouldn’t the same apply to epsom salt baths?

Body aches, and restless legs, just a blah felling. Could be refeeding syndrome, but I think possibly the sulfur.

 

[Tarmander]

Diluted in vodka. Gonna try MCT oil next.


Body aches, and restless legs, just a blah felling. Could be refeeding syndrome, but I think possibly the sulfur.

that is wild. Any idea on absorption rates? As in do you use the same dose as oral or higher?

 

[SOMO]

I would stay away from Thiamine Mononitrate because of the nitrates alone.

 

[charlie]

that is wild. Any idea on absorption rates? As in do you use the same dose as oral or higher?

Study posted on the forum by j. showed I think it was around 90% absorption rate of b-vitamins in alcohol. So that's darn near 100%. I use a tad bit higher but not much.

 

[Tarmander]

Study posted on the forum by j. showed I think it was around 90% absorption rate of b-vitamins in alcohol. So that's darn near 100%. I use a tad bit higher but not much.

awesome thanks

 

[snacks]

Its different for everyone. Some do well on HCl, while others thrive on TTFD. Benfo is a winner for others. Some seem to react to the sulfur in the TTFD which I think its possible thats the case for me. I seem to do best on HCl and Benfo along with nutritional yeast to fill in the gaps. Oh, and I do most of b vitamins topical, when ingested I find it can push gut biome in the wrong direction due to feeding of the critters (@Tarmander et el 2020). Another thing is limiting pure sugar, I think many come to Peat and "sugar it up"(table sugar) leading them to Beriberi hell. That is one thing I would have done different if I knew then what i know now, less plain sugar, and more natural sugars ala milk, fruits, honey, and maybe whole wheat rusk bread?(@paymanz et el 2020)

Does anyone here have the source to Peat talking about topical application? If I recall correctly at one point he said that absorption of most vitamins topically wouldn't exceed 10% and I was very confused by this. If I am just remembering something he said incorrectly I'm sorry for the rambling lol

EDIT: as far as I can tell he was talking only about vitamin D?

 

[foodandtheworld]

I've used Thiamine HCL. Helped after workout sessions with fatigue and reducing the hyperventilation I sometimes experience from the exertion. Usually 300mg with a glass of orange juice would be effective for me.

 

[jmojo]

Aren't Allithiamine and TTFD the same thing?

 

[Recoen]

Aren't Allithiamine and TTFD the same thing?

Allithiamine and lipothiamine are both ttfd. Alli is not enteric coated and lipo is.

 

[ursidae]

I’ve been relying on nutritional yeast but realising now it might not be a good source. The production process involves deactivation with heat

 

[golder]

Anyone used Thiamax and had good effects from it over and above standard B1 Thiamine?

 

[jb116]

Anyone used Thiamax and had good effects from it over and above standard B1 Thiamine?

I didn't notice anything special about it.

 

[orewashin]

Anyone used Thiamax and had good effects from it over and above standard B1 Thiamine?

I’ve been taking it. It’s strong enough to paralyze me after I take it, so I guess it works.

 

[ddjd]

Josh any way you merge all the answers after posting this in EVERY SINGLE ray peat Facebook group and the forum lol.

 

[golder]

I’ve been taking it. It’s strong enough to paralyze me after I take it, so I guess it works.

Paralyse? Isn’t vitamin B1 supposed to have a mildly energising effect? This sounds a bit worrying. Does 500mg of Thiamine paralyse you in the same way 200mg of the Thiamax does?

 

[orewashin]

Paralyse? Isn’t vitamin B1 supposed to have a mildly energising effect? This sounds a bit worrying. Does 500mg of Thiamine paralyse you in the same way 200mg of the Thiamax does?

What are the side effects?

Initially some people can experience a “paradoxical reaction”with thiamine supplementation. This might include a temporary period of increased fatigue, brain-fog, and poor concentration. This reaction usually subsides within a few weeks.

Objective Nutrients - Thiamax

How many capsules shall I take to begin with?

For people who have never taken thiamine TTFD before, it is best to start with half or quarter of a capsule. This can be done simply by opening a capsule and emptying a portion of the contents into a cold drink or cold food.

I've been just taking one capsule at once, daily with my other B vitamins for the past few weeks. People have recommended that I start lower, but I don't really feel like emptying a capsule, and I can still do things on my phone in this state, although walking around is a different story.

At first, I was totally paralyzed for a period of time following a combination of physical exertion and taking TTFD. For maybe forty minutes or so, I couldn't even scratch an itch. But it's been improving.

I haven't taken regular thiamine, except in the B complex. It has not improved neuropathy at all. I suspect a deficiency of B6, however, that has yet to be determined.