Testosterone Suppression From Low Dose DHT?

[Arrade]

Interesting... I have in my possession some dht cream, I was considering for PE purposes. @alex00 I don't see you posting the Testosterone results

 

[alex00]

Testosterone in the Post DHT exam is
Total testosterone is 480 ng/dl
testosterone free is 33.3 pg/ml
Unfortunately I don't have the results of Testosterone in the pre DHT exams

 

[KyleKingsly]

Thanks so much for being the guinea pig, alex00. I think your results make it pretty safe to say that exogenous DHT is not the way to go.

Does anyone know of any good ways to boost DHT without using DHT itself? Creatine comes to mind of course, but it's not very strong. I'm considering butea superba right now although I've heard it may not be safe.

 

[vulture]

Update, the test to see if low DHT doses are suppressive or instead increase your homeostasis without negative feedback.
I took 2.8 mg DHT daily for 4 days but I stopped because from day 3-4 I started feeling like a painful left testicular varicocele, the problem lasted about a week and then passed luckily.
I have just received my pre and post hormonal blood tests from this experiment with DHT. Pre tests count all values (cortisol, prolactin etc.) except testosterone, while post tests (after 2 days i stopped DHT) count only LH, FSH and Test.
That is the comparison.
Pre DHT LH 4.4 , FSH 2.0
Post DHT LH 3.5 , FSH 2.1
Based on the comparison we would say that DHT in low doses like 2-3 mg for me is suppressive giving negative feedback on LH and probably also on the Test even though I can not compare them unfortunately, and so DHT does not help instead the internal homeostasis. right?
tell me your thanks

So great info, bro
Thanks for sharing...
Keep us updated if you get another blood test in a few weeks to see if LH and FSH returned to previous values. I tought it wasn't so suppressive. What DHT product did you use? topical? oral?

 

[Peatfan19]

Thanks so much for being the guinea pig, alex00. I think your results make it pretty safe to say that exogenous DHT is not the way to go.

Does anyone know of any good ways to boost DHT without using DHT itself? Creatine comes to mind of course, but it's not very strong. I'm considering butea superba right now although I've heard it may not be safe.

I was skeptical at first, but based on personal experience, doing high intensity sprint exercises three times a week has a significant impact on DHT (and T) levels. Try it and you'll be amazed.

Dihydrotestosterone is elevated following sprint exercise in healthy young men. - PubMed - NCBI ("Dihydrotestosterone is elevated following sprint exercise in healthy young men.")

Again, based on personal experience, another safe and natural way to boost DHT is consuming sorghum, likely as a result of it (significantly) increasing levels of 5-alpha reductase.

5α-Reductase type 1 inhibition of Oryza sativa bran extract prepared by supercritical carbon dioxide fluid - ScienceDirect

The cheapest and easiest way is eating sorghum porridge which is a tasty and healthy breakfast option. It is available in Europe in specialist shops catering to expats from African countries, not sure about the US and elsewhere.

 

[Nebula]

@alex00
Did you ever you supplement DHEA, progesterone, and/or pregnenolone along with DHT? I wonder if that would help keep T up? Maybe keeping calories higher is necessary too? What was your calorie and food intake like when taking DHT?

@Peatfan19
What sprinting routine have you found good results on? I've been doing 4 sets of 15 seconds sprints, 2 minute rests, three times per week and pleased with the benefits so far. Lost my gut almost completely, face and neck have leaned out, fall asleep very easily, feel more positive and motivated throughout the day. Really impressive effect for just 60 seconds total of sprinting (not including rest and warmup). I'm just wondering if there's benefit to increasing the load of my sprint sessions up to 8-10 sets of 30 seconds which most studies I've seen have tested.

 

[KyleKingsly]

I was skeptical at first, but based on personal experience, doing high intensity sprint exercises three times a week has a significant impact on DHT (and T) levels. Try it and you'll be amazed.

Dihydrotestosterone is elevated following sprint exercise in healthy young men. - PubMed - NCBI ("Dihydrotestosterone is elevated following sprint exercise in healthy young men.")

Again, based on personal experience, another safe and natural way to boost DHT is consuming sorghum, likely as a result of it (significantly) increasing levels of 5-alpha reductase.

5α-Reductase type 1 inhibition of Oryza sativa bran extract prepared by supercritical carbon dioxide fluid - ScienceDirect

The cheapest and easiest way is eating sorghum porridge which is a tasty and healthy breakfast option. It is available in Europe in specialist shops catering to expats from African countries, not sure about the US and elsewhere.

Amazing first post man, please keep up the good work while you're here! :) Going to check out the sorghum stuff, I've seen it mentioned before somewhere.

 

[Peatfan19]

@alex00
Did you ever you supplement DHEA, progesterone, and/or pregnenolone along with DHT? I wonder if that would help keep T up? Maybe keeping calories higher is necessary too? What was your calorie and food intake like when taking DHT?

@Peatfan19
What sprinting routine have you found good results on? I've been doing 4 sets of 15 seconds sprints, 2 minute rests, three times per week and pleased with the benefits so far. Lost my gut almost completely, face and neck have leaned out, fall asleep very easily, feel more positive and motivated throughout the day. Really impressive effect for just 60 seconds total of sprinting (not including rest and warmup). I'm just wondering if there's benefit to increasing the load of my sprint sessions up to 8-10 sets of 30 seconds which most studies I've seen have tested.

My routine is pretty similar to yours, 4-6 sets of intense sprinting for a duration of 10-15 seconds each, resting until breathing normalises (which equals close to point of failure for me). I wouldn't recommend increasing the load of as I found that trying to do more killed my libido and nullified the benefits. All depends on your age, level of fitness etc. The study quoted involved healthy young males, I'm in my late forties and of average health. So adjust your routine until you find optimal benefits by listening to your body, especially mood and libido.

 

[alex00]

@alex00
Did you ever you supplement DHEA, progesterone, and/or pregnenolone along with DHT? I wonder if that would help keep T up? Maybe keeping calories higher is necessary too? What was your calorie and food intake like when taking DHT?

@Peatfan19
What sprinting routine have you found good results on? I've been doing 4 sets of 15 seconds sprints, 2 minute rests, three times per week and pleased with the benefits so far. Lost my gut almost completely, face and neck have leaned out, fall asleep very easily, feel more positive and motivated throughout the day. Really impressive effect for just 60 seconds total of sprinting (not including rest and warmup). I'm just wondering if there's benefit to increasing the load of my sprint sessions up to 8-10 sets of 30 seconds which most studies I've seen have tested.

No, I never added DHEA or Pregnenolone along with DHT and the calories were the same, not very high.

 

[wildworld1992]

I was skeptical at first, but based on personal experience, doing high intensity sprint exercises three times a week has a significant impact on DHT (and T) levels. Try it and you'll be amazed.

Dihydrotestosterone is elevated following sprint exercise in healthy young men. - PubMed - NCBI ("Dihydrotestosterone is elevated following sprint exercise in healthy young men.")

Again, based on personal experience, another safe and natural way to boost DHT is consuming sorghum, likely as a result of it (significantly) increasing levels of 5-alpha reductase.

5α-Reductase type 1 inhibition of Oryza sativa bran extract prepared by supercritical carbon dioxide fluid - ScienceDirect

The cheapest and easiest way is eating sorghum porridge which is a tasty and healthy breakfast option. It is available in Europe in specialist shops catering to expats from African countries, not sure about the US and elsewhere.

I ate sorghum porridge everyday for 2 months and did not feel anything. I think the beneficial content for DHT might from the removed sorghum skin which we couldn't get from those white seeds available in supermarket.

 

[Brandin]

T suppression during Mesterolone supplementation is not the issue, as it's at worst depressed by 50%.

The issue is the E2 suppression that will wreck havoc on your joints, mood and organs if you supplement with Mesterolone without adding T to the cocktail.

I am an endocrinologist who has experimented a lot with male hormone replacement therapy on my clients.

Low estrogen will only make you feel like you have lees joint problems.

Estrogen lowers feelings of pain but makes the problem worse. People with the worst knees are estrogenic old females. In young people joint problems are higher in females than men.

The mood thing is short term since it lowers psychotic motivation but hasnt had enough.

T and dht have simillar effects. They are just signaling substances one being better at certain things and the other one being better at others. If you have enough dht it should be able to do the everything as good but some things even better.

 

[Matestube]

T and dht have simillar effects. They are just signaling substances one being better at certain things and the other one being better at others. If you have enough dht it should be able to do the everything as good but some things even better.

That's one thing that I keep seing from Ray and Haidut, that T and DHT are interchangeable, with DHT fulfilling even more physiological functions.
As much as I would like this to be true, it's just not the case in my long experience with both compounds : DHT lacks that feel good effects and joint lubrication.