Testosterone "optimization" Stack And Anti-aromatase

faxmulder

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Hi guys,

MD advised me to take vit D and tribulus, since recent hormone panel showed low vit D and low luteinizing hormone (LH) values.

So far, I’ve assembled the following daily stack: magnesium, lysine, EGCG, chaga mushroom, MSM, sulbutiamine, shilajit and boron (6/9mg). At the moment I’m testing also quercetin for dealing with hay fever.

I’m considering adding an adaptogen (such as KSM-66 ashwagandha OR maca OR cordyceps) to my preworkout stack that is: agmatine, citrulline, beta alanine, taurine.

Do you think that, since my stack would potentially be comprised of boron + tribulus + shilajit + ashwagandha/Cordyceps/Maca, it will be necessary to use also an anti-aromatase? Or the potential increase in testosterone is minimal?

You know guys, I don’t want to get man boobs lol

Thanks!
 

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Forget the asheaganda and most herbs are ***t except Tribulus, Cistanche and Lomgjack....
 

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Artificially increasing endogenous T with herbs/AI achieves nothing. Increasing T over physiological levels has no benefit, the androgen receptor is already saturated at ~350ng/dl. Androgen receptor content is what determines androgenicity, the only effective ways to increase androgen receptor content is anabolic steroids, heavy lifting and injectable l-carnitine.

Muscle Androgen Receptor Content but Not Systemic Hormones Is Associated With Resistance Training-Induced Skeletal Muscle Hypertrophy in Healthy, Young Men
 

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Artificially increasing endogenous T with herbs/AI achieves nothing. Increasing T over physiological levels has no benefit, the androgen receptor is already saturated at ~350ng/dl. Androgen receptor content is what determines androgenicity, the only effective ways to increase androgen receptor content is anabolic steroids, heavy lifting and injectable l-carnitine.

Muscle Androgen Receptor Content but Not Systemic Hormones Is Associated With Resistance Training-Induced Skeletal Muscle Hypertrophy in Healthy, Young Men

Can one take oral L Carnitine ?
 

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If your D levels are low I suggest making those your priority, without adequate D you won't be able to optimize testosterone.

Best things for increasing testosterone are:
- Get vitamins A, D , K, and zinc
- Eat a good amount of sugar and cholesterol
- Do some resistance training
- Get some sunlight
- Cut back on ejaculation
- Optimize sleep
 

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Artificially increasing endogenous T with herbs/AI achieves nothing. Increasing T over physiological levels has no benefit, the androgen receptor is already saturated at ~350ng/dl. Androgen receptor content is what determines androgenicity, the only effective ways to increase androgen receptor content is anabolic steroids, heavy lifting and injectable l-carnitine.

Muscle Androgen Receptor Content but Not Systemic Hormones Is Associated With Resistance Training-Induced Skeletal Muscle Hypertrophy in Healthy, Young Men


Had never read that before! Thank you for sharing this
 

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Can one take oral L Carnitine ?
It’s much less effective. If you do be sure to take it with an insulin spike; ie after eating a large dose of low GI carbs. LCLT is the form I’d recommend. But really injectable l-carnitine is going to be much more effective and the results much more pronounced.
 

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keep in mind that l-carnitine has been used to treat thyroid storm, so might not be peaty at all
 

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Tribulus has also been linked to increasing receptor density
 

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Boron is definitely a good supplement. My libido, scalp itch, and hair loss/thinning increase after using it, it's definitely increasing androgens, whether directly or by lowering SHBG.
 

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Boron is definitely a good supplement. My libido, scalp itch, and hair loss/thinning increase after using it, it's definitely increasing androgens, whether directly or by lowering SHBG.

I definitely noticed effects from using it as Boron Tri Boron in doses of 6-9 mg but blood tests showed no real changes in T...
 

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I’ve been doing Androsterone and Pansterone the last two days
 

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It’s much less effective. If you do be sure to take it with an insulin spike; ie after eating a large dose of low GI carbs. LCLT is the form I’d recommend. But really injectable l-carnitine is going to be much more effective and the results much more pronounced.
Oral Carnitine isn’t absorbed well
 

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It’s much less effective. If you do be sure to take it with an insulin spike; ie after eating a large dose of low GI carbs. LCLT is the form I’d recommend. But really injectable l-carnitine is going to be much more effective and the results much more pronounced.
does it mess up your thyroid
 

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Artificially increasing endogenous T with herbs/AI achieves nothing. Increasing T over physiological levels has no benefit, the androgen receptor is already saturated at ~350ng/dl. Androgen receptor content is what determines androgenicity, the only effective ways to increase androgen receptor content is anabolic steroids, heavy lifting and injectable l-carnitine.

Muscle Androgen Receptor Content but Not Systemic Hormones Is Associated With Resistance Training-Induced Skeletal Muscle Hypertrophy in Healthy, Young Men
Would highly doses of transdermal T base in vitamin E increase receptor density? Thanks
 
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