Testosterone Optimization On RP-inspired Nutrition

[GreekDemiGod]

As of now, I have gotten a morning erection in only 10 of the last 37 days gone by (starting September 1st). And even those were weak erections.
It's bad, guys

 

[GreekDemiGod]

I'm on 11th Day of Nofap & NoPorn and I don't even have urges, that's how low my libido is atm.

 

[ilhanxx]

I'm on 11th Day of Nofap & NoPorn and I don't even have urges, that's how low my libido is atm.

Do you know your female hormone levels, everyone is opposite to estrogen on this forum, but estrogen is crucial for libido and hard boners, you can try a little herbal estrogen boosters, I think common problem is focusing on antiaromatase dieting and medicals. progesterone is important too. My friend is fat guy, he has low t, low dht and high e2 with diabetes. But he has a good libido and sexual life.

 

[milkboi]

My friend is fat guy, he has low t, low dht and high e2 with diabetes. But he has a good libido and sexual life.

Good stuff, let's imitate him.

 

[ilhanxx]

Good stuff, let's imitate him.

I dont say to imitate him, just a f** example.

 

[milkboi]

I dont say to imitate him, just a f** example.

Yeah got that, sorry

 

[GreekDemiGod]

@ilhanxx My estrogen was on the optimal-low range for men, so don't think that's a problem.
Being chronically underslept lately didn't help either. But my problems go way back.
Do you think adopting some RP ideas (milk, OJ, aspirin..) may have tanked my estrogen too low?
Thinking about how hard my erections were 1-2 years ago, I get sad. Now it's a far-cry.

 

[ilhanxx]

I dont praise estrogen. I know it is raising with depressed state. But I feel best when it is middle range. even low dose aromasin or proviron makes me a garbage. for now, I dont use any dairy or wheat products. I am not celiac or dairy intolerance, You can try eliminating some thing in diet for weekly period for observation. Have you ever tested any mthfr mutation or use any methylfolate+methylcobalamin combination?

 

[GreekDemiGod]

Have you ever tested any mthfr mutation or use any methylfolate+methylcobalamin combination?

I have not tested any of those.
I did experiment with taking Folate and B12 separately, and they made no difference.

 

[GreekDemiGod]

I realized something and it's saddened me

Recently, I met with my cousin who is 17,so a good 11 years younger. He is 6ft1, I'm 6ft. What strike me was how deep and masculine his voice was in an effortless way, the way he carried himself, he emanated masculinity.
How his wrists, hands, forearms are well developed, and mine are thin and feminine.

I am 28, but have the body of a pre-teen ager. Battling anxiety, a weak voice since adolescence. I never fully developed into a man. My pre-natal and teenage Testosterone was likely very low for some reason.

Here are 2 pics showing my physique. In the first is how I look without muscle, 2nd is with some muscle on me.

 

[redsun]

I realized something and it's saddened me

Recently, I met with my cousin who is 17,so a good 11 years younger. He is 6ft1, I'm 6ft. What strike me was how deep and masculine his voice was in an effortless way, the way he carried himself, he emanated masculinity.
How his wrists, hands, forearms are well developed, and mine are thin and feminine.

I am 28, but have the body of a pre-teen ager. Battling anxiety, a weak voice since adolescence. I never fully developed into a man. My pre-natal and teenage Testosterone was likely very low for some reason.

Here are 2 pics showing my physique. In the first is how I look without muscle, 2nd is with some muscle on me.

Good news is you are tall enough. I thought you were short so I was about to tell you not much you can do at 28. But you can actually do something here. Age, you need to age. The best way to age is to eat. Specifically, protein and carbohydrates age you the most. This is what you want. They will increase androgens a lot which will "age" your body, help build muscle mass and create androgenic effects on the body. Fat does not age you, barely at all.

On carnivore I barely aged at all. I still had androgenic characteristics develop, but when I started to bring back carbs, androgens started to really explode. Carbs are very good at increasing androgens because they increase insulin. Your best bet is to eat as much protein you can, and on top of that add protein powders. Minimum 200g protein, powders will really help with this. Then carbs should primarily be starches, because they are pure glucose and will drive insulin and growth, but sugars are fine of course, doesnt mean dont ever touch sugar but starch will do a lot of work increasing IGF along with tons of protein. Zinc and vitamin C are important for IGF-1 as well as every other nutrient but be conscious of zinc and vitamin C especially.

There of course is TRT which age you as well, but the natural route is the correct way and in my opinion the only healthy way.

 

[GreekDemiGod]

@redsun I get your point. I do wanna develop androgenic features and a more rugged look, but at the same time I also want to maintain youthfulness cause this helps me attract younger women.
I've always had a neotenous look and look a few years younger than my age.

Carnivore seemed to make my skin look older.

I was 76 kg at my heaviest, now I'm only 70 - 71 kg, looking to bulk up again to my max weight, this will help me in looking a bit more masculine.
I definitely lost muscle mass while being on Carnivore Diet.

In other news, I'm on Day 14 of NoFap and my voice is getting deeper. It's the only thing that can have this effect on me.

 

[GreekDemiGod]

Last night I got my best sleep in 2 months.
Something I noticed lately is while I still don't wake up with a boner, sometimes during the night when I'm briefly awake, I do get mild erections, somewhere around 3 - 4 am.
Anyone have a clue on why this would happen?

 

[Aries]

Many erections start and subside while you are asleep and unaware of them. If you wake during one in the morning it's called morning wood.

 

[GreekDemiGod]

Something I have now realized:
I was never a hairy guy per se (as in body hair), my legs were always more hairy, but the rest of the body, very little body hair.
In the last 2 years or so, this kind of changed. I'm seeing more hair on my forearms, fingers, chest area, and even on my back
Do you guys think it's a good thing? I remember reading somewhere on how lots of body hair is bad for the hairline and it's a sign of hormonal inbalances?

 

[Jing]

Something I have now realized:
I was never a hairy guy per se (as in body hair), my legs were always more hairy, but the rest of the body, very little body hair.
In the last 2 years or so, this kind of changed. I'm seeing more hair on my forearms, fingers, chest area, and even on my back
Do you guys think it's a good thing? I remember reading somewhere on how lots of body hair is bad for the hairline and it's a sign of hormonal inbalances?

I think it might just be a sign of higher testosterone, I've never been a hairy person literally smooth body no hair at all, tiny hairs on forearms, since being on high dose of testosterone my arm hair as increased and I now have hair on my body not crazy amounts but enough that it feels weird as Ive never had hair on my body

 

[redsun]

Something I have now realized:
I was never a hairy guy per se (as in body hair), my legs were always more hairy, but the rest of the body, very little body hair.
In the last 2 years or so, this kind of changed. I'm seeing more hair on my forearms, fingers, chest area, and even on my back
Do you guys think it's a good thing? I remember reading somewhere on how lots of body hair is bad for the hairline and it's a sign of hormonal inbalances?

Haidut:

Hirsutism due to adrenal hyperplasia in males is driven by DHEA and this is the pattern of hair it causes - chest, back, shoulders, neck, ears, etc. Varicosity of veins is also a common feature. It was found that giving aromatase inhibitor to these patients eliminated that pattern hirsutism and relieved varicose veins, so we know it is DHEA conversion into estrogen that was primary cause. I can't the study now but I think the aromatase inhibitor used was some kind of 5-AR derived androgen as the study was old and back the day the only aromatase inhibitors they had were the 5-AR androgens like DHT. Which is even better, as it shows DHT is not involvedin excessive body hair on the trunk but only extremities like legs and face.
If I find the study I'll post here but you can find newer studies on PubMed about central (trunk) hirsutism and DHEA/estrogen levels.

 

[Jing]

Haidut:

I disagree, dhea which I can feel convert into estrogen never gave me body hair, but high dose testosterone with anti estrogens did.

 

[Zigzag]

I feel you. I'm 6'0 as well, but androgenic features are minimal. It's definitely prenatal androgen exposure fault. Our mothers failed us

 

[redsun]

I disagree, dhea which I can feel convert into estrogen never gave me body hair, but high dose testosterone with anti estrogens did.

Well both methods you have used are unnatural keep in mind, so you cannot compare taking dhea as a normal individual to an individual with adrenal problems. I dont think the underlying cause is hormonal, it is an adrenal gland problem which is likely caused by deficiencies of minerals or other nutrients causing the hormonal imbalance.

I noticed in my most unhealthy periods of my life, I ate the most empty calories, so lots of empty sugars and fat and caffeine dependence(which will increase demand on adrenals) though I always had adequate protein, I would get a lot of symptoms similar to addison's disease, like strong salt craving and I could easily get hyponatremic if I didnt constantly have salty foods throughout the day as well as typical symptoms like dizziness on standing, lightheaded, fatigue, low BP. Switched out empty foods with nutritious foods filled with minerals and the problem went away.