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Symptoms Screening, Isolations Do Nothing To Stop COVID-19 Spread

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Yet another piece of evidence demonstrating that at best this social circus is pointless, and at worst it destroys lives while providing nothing in return.
Study: Temperature checks, symptom screenings not very effective in detecting COVID-19 infections
"...Temperature and COVID-19 symptom checks like the ones used at schools and doctor's offices have again proved inadequate for spotting coronavirus infections and preventing outbreaks. A study of Marine recruits found that despite these measures and strict quarantines before they started training, the recruits spread the virus to others even though hardly any of them had symptoms. None of the infections were caught through symptom screening. The study, published Wednesday in the New England Journal of Medicine, has implications for colleges, prisons, meatpacking plants and other places that rely on this sort of screening to detect infections and prevent outbreaks. "We spent a lot of time putting measures like that in place and they're probably not worth the time as we had hoped," said Jodie Guest, a public health researcher at Atlanta's Emory University who had no role in the research.
 

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Yet another piece of evidence demonstrating that at best this social circus is pointless, and at worst it destroys lives while providing nothing in return.
Study: Temperature checks, symptom screenings not very effective in detecting COVID-19 infections
"...Temperature and COVID-19 symptom checks like the ones used at schools and doctor's offices have again proved inadequate for spotting coronavirus infections and preventing outbreaks. A study of Marine recruits found that despite these measures and strict quarantines before they started training, the recruits spread the virus to others even though hardly any of them had symptoms. None of the infections were caught through symptom screening. The study, published Wednesday in the New England Journal of Medicine, has implications for colleges, prisons, meatpacking plants and other places that rely on this sort of screening to detect infections and prevent outbreaks. "We spent a lot of time putting measures like that in place and they're probably not worth the time as we had hoped," said Jodie Guest, a public health researcher at Atlanta's Emory University who had no role in the research.

Does the study imply that asymptomatic (i. e. not sick) spead the infection? Or did they show by other means that those marines were indeed sick and spread the illness. (Sorry I didn't look yet myself into this study text.)
 
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Does the study imply that asymptomatic (i. e. not sick) spead the infection?

They used quarantines for everybody, sick or otherwise. So, if the quarantines did not stop the spread then either the virus is dormant for much longer than thought, or the PCR tests in the sick are incorrect and are basically pickup up a number of other viral infections as COVID-19, including endogenous retrovirus particles for which quarantines do nothing as we produce them ourselves when stressed.
 

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I made the transcript for this, it was so good! I hope they listen to this doctor.

I'm going to briefly outline my credentials so that you can understand where I’m coming from in terms of it's knowledge base in all of this. I'm a medical specialist and pathologist which includes virology. I trained at Cambridge University in the U.K. and the expert in the pathology section of the medical association. As previously an assistant professor in the faculty of medicine doing a lot of teaching. I was a chairman of the Royal College of Physicians of Canada Examination Committee in pathology in Ottawa. But more to the point I'm currently the chairman of a biotechnology company in North Carolina selling the covid-19 test and on that you might say I know a little bit about all of this.

The bottom line is simply this... there is utterly unfounded public hysteria driven by the media and politicians. It's outrageous. This is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on an unsuspecting public. There is absolutely nothing that can be done to contain this virus other than protecting more vulnerable people. It should be known as nothing more than a bad flu season. This is not ebola, it's not sars. It's politics playing medicine and that's a very dangerous game. There's no action of any kind needed other than what happened last year, we stayed home, we took chicken noodle soup, but didn't visit granny and we decided when we would return to work. We didn't need anyone to tell us.

Masks are utterly useless. There is no evidence base for their effectiveness whatsoever. Paper masks and fabric masks are simply virtue signalling. They're not even effective most of the time. It’s utterly ridiculous. Seeing these unfortunate uneducated people, seeing these people walk around like lemmings without any knowledge base to put the mask on their face. Social distancing is also useless because covid is spread by aerosols which travel 30m or so before landing. Closings have had such terrible unintended consequences. Everywhere should be open tomorrow, as was stated in the great barrington declaration that I circulated prior to this meeting.

And a word on tests, I do want to emphasize that I’m in the business of testing for covid, I do want to emphasize that positive test results do not underline a clinical infection, it's simply driving public hysteria and all testing should stop unless you're presenting to hospital with some respiratory problem. All that should be done is to protect the vulnerable and to give them all in the nursing home, give them all 3 to 5,000 units of vitamin d every day which has been been shown to radically reduce the likely hood of infection. Use the province's own statistics, the risk of death under 65 in this province is 1 in 300,000. 1 in 300,000.

You've got to get a grip on this. The scale of the response that you're undertaking with no evidence for it is utterly ridiculous given the consequences of acting in a way that you're proposing. All kinds of suicides, business closures, funerals, weddings etc. It's simply outrageous. It's just another bad flu and you've got to get your minds around that. Let people make their own decisions. You should be totally out of the business of medicine, you're being led down the garden path by the chief medical officer of health in this province. I am absolutely outraged that this has reached this level. It should all stop tomorrow.​
 
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I made the transcript for this, it was so good! I hope they listen to this doctor.

I'm going to briefly outline my credentials so that you can understand where I’m coming from in terms of it's knowledge base in all of this. I'm a medical specialist and pathologist which includes virology. I trained at Cambridge University in the U.K. and the expert in the pathology section of the medical association. As previously an assistant professor in the faculty of medicine doing a lot of teaching. I was a chairman of the Royal College of Physicians of Canada Examination Committee in pathology in Ottawa. But more to the point I'm currently the chairman of a biotechnology company in North Carolina selling the covid-19 test and on that you might say I know a little bit about all of this.

The bottom line is simply this... there is utterly unfounded public hysteria driven by the media and politicians. It's outrageous. This is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on an unsuspecting public. There is absolutely nothing that can be done to contain this virus other than protecting more vulnerable people. It should be known as nothing more than a bad flu season. This is not ebola, it's not sars. It's politics playing medicine and that's a very dangerous game. There's no action of any kind needed other than what happened last year, we stayed home, we took chicken noodle soup, but didn't visit granny and we decided when we would return to work. We didn't need anyone to tell us.

Masks are utterly useless. There is no evidence base for their effectiveness whatsoever. Paper masks and fabric masks are simply virtue signalling. They're not even effective most of the time. It’s utterly ridiculous. Seeing these unfortunate uneducated people, seeing these people walk around like lemmings without any knowledge base to put the mask on their face. Social distancing is also useless because covid is spread by aerosols which travel 30m or so before landing. Closings have had such terrible unintended consequences. Everywhere should be open tomorrow, as was stated in the great barrington declaration that I circulated prior to this meeting.

And a word on tests, I do want to emphasize that I’m in the business of testing for covid, I do want to emphasize that positive test results do not underline a clinical infection, it's simply driving public hysteria and all testing should stop unless you're presenting to hospital with some respiratory problem. All that should be done is to protect the vulnerable and to give them all in the nursing home, give them all 3 to 5,000 units of vitamin d every day which has been been shown to radically reduce the likely hood of infection. Use the province's own statistics, the risk of death under 65 in this province is 1 in 300,000. 1 in 300,000.

You've got to get a grip on this. The scale of the response that you're undertaking with no evidence for it is utterly ridiculous given the consequences of acting in a way that you're proposing. All kinds of suicides, business closures, funerals, weddings etc. It's simply outrageous. It's just another bad flu and you've got to get your minds around that. Let people make their own decisions. You should be totally out of the business of medicine, you're being led down the garden path by the chief medical officer of health in this province. I am absolutely outraged that this has reached this level. It should all stop tomorrow.​

thank you!!
 

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From another recent post "No Excess Deaths In Sweden In 2020 Compared To The Last 10 Years",

No Excess Deaths In Sweden In 2020 Compared To The Last 10 Years

A paper about the role of absolute humidity as the main driver in viral infection was cited by tankasnowgod:

(PDF) All-cause mortality during COVID-19: No plague and a likely signature of mass homicide by government response

I found this idea intriguing and want to see if one could correlate the rise and fall of COVID-19 cases regionally with absolute (or relative) humidity.
 

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I made the transcript for this, it was so good! I hope they listen to this doctor.

Masks are utterly useless. There is no evidence base for their effectiveness whatsoever. Paper masks and fabric masks are simply virtue signalling. They're not even effective most of the time.​

Sugarbabe, thanks for doing the transcript. However if you could just correct the above sentence. What he actually says is:

They're not even WORN EFFECTIVELY most of the time.

So, he is saying they are never effective, and most people don't even wear them correctly.

Thanks.
 

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Sugarbabe, thanks for doing the transcript. However if you could just correct the above sentence. What he actually says is:

They're not even WORN EFFECTIVELY most of the time.

So, he is saying they are never effective, and most people don't even wear them correctly.

Thanks.
It won't let me edit, but thank-you for correcting it. I used the auto captions on youtube and thought everything looked correct when I edited.
 

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Excellent speech, but I disagree with this part-

This is not ebola, it's not sars.

It's actually a lot like Ebola and SARS, in the sense that none of these three "viruses" have ever been proven to exist by traditional methods, the dangers of all three have been overhyped by the media, none has ever been demonstrated to cause a single death, all the attributed deaths could easily be just re-branding of deaths that were going to happen anyway, and the risk to the average person is far, far FAAAAR lower than your average risk of death in any given year.
 

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Excellent speech, but I disagree with this part-



It's actually a lot like Ebola and SARS, in the sense that none of these three "viruses" have ever been proven to exist by traditional methods, the dangers of all three have been overhyped by the media, none has ever been demonstrated to cause a single death, all the attributed deaths could easily be just re-branding of deaths that were going to happen anyway, and the risk to the average person is far, far FAAAAR lower than your average risk of death in any given year.
Yeah I agree. It's basically like the flu. Someone in my family who is 64 was sick all he had was a fever of 101 of every evening for a week but he got tested because his other family members would have kept asking him about it, it was 'positive'. Lol. He said it's not fun to go through but he felt worse when he had the flu. I can't believe they took away our freedoms for that.
 

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He said it's not fun to go through but he felt worse when he had the flu. I can't believe they took away our freedoms for that.

They didn't take away any freedoms. Governors, Mayors and so-called "Health Officials" put restrictions on businesses. Businesses are not living souls, but legal fictions, and as such, have no rights or freedoms. Living men and women of the soil have freedom given to them by the creator of the balanced universe. Those same treasonous Governors, Mayors and "Health Officials" used propaganda, fraud, coercion, guilt, and other tactics to convince people to follow their orders. Every living soul is free to follow the orders or suggestions of others, no matter how stupid or ridiculous that suggestion may be.
 

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They didn't take away any freedoms. Governors, Mayors and so-called "Health Officials" put restrictions on businesses. Businesses are not living souls, but legal fictions, and as such, have no rights or freedoms. Living men and women of the soil have freedom given to them by the creator of the balanced universe. Those same treasonous Governors, Mayors and "Health Officials" used propaganda, fraud, coercion, guilt, and other tactics to convince people to follow their orders. Every living soul is free to follow the orders or suggestions of others, no matter how stupid or ridiculous that suggestion may be.
You are right, there were no laws passed (other than really draconian pandemic laws like being able to quarantine people and give vaccines if they need to- many people don't know about these laws). But they did restrict my freedom to get to a beach. That was probably the most unlawful. Shutting down public beaches. Blocking them off with police officers. I don't really want to go to jail for trying to go to a beach so yeah I didn't go. Whenever the government has control of the land is when they can do what they please. NOT GOOD.
 

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Also plane travel was difficult for those who don't want to wear a mask. They were physically removing people and putting them on no fly lists. Can't really 'stand your ground' if you get physically removed. But there were some more lenient airplane companies and I know of people who got around the mandates. I hate it when someone says its the same as no shirt no business rules. Uh no, covering my airways is not like wearing clothes.

In Australia they were giving fines to those not wearing masks outside. I think they were in NYC and Miami too.
 

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You are right, there were no laws passed (other than really draconian pandemic laws like being able to quarantine people and give vaccines if they need to- many people don't know about these laws). But they did restrict my freedom to get to a beach. That was probably the most unlawful. Shutting down public beaches. Blocking them off with police officers. I don't really want to go to jail for trying to go to a beach so yeah I didn't go. Whenever the government has control of the land is when they can do what they please. NOT GOOD.

Did they, though? I saw those barricades. I went around them a few times. They did NOT have cops guarding all ways to the beach 24/7. I saw plenty of people on the "closed" beaches during that time, many times getting passed by cops, and the cops never hassled anyone.

I didn't see a single law that forced the quarantine of anyone. They tried to coerce a lot of people to agree to it. I did see stories of people agreeing to quarantine, and then getting hassled by health officials when they broke it. But if those people didn't intend to honor their contract, why did they agree to the contract in the first place? You ALWAYS have the right to contract unlimited.

As for any forced vaccine laws....... I haven't seen them, so don't know the details, but would highly doubt they wrote it in a way that would allow to vaccinate you without your consent.
 

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Also plane travel was difficult for those who don't want to wear a mask. They were physically removing people and putting them on no fly lists. Can't really 'stand your ground' if you get physically removed. But there were some more lenient airplane companies and I know of people who got around the mandates. I hate it when someone says its the same as no shirt no business rules. Uh no, covering my airways is not like wearing clothes.

In Australia they were giving fines to those not wearing masks outside. I think they were in NYC and Miami too.

Airlines are private businesses, not government entities. Although many have challenged business mask mandates in court, and have won.

I never saw a citation for not wearing a mask anywhere in the US (though it may have happened). I did see stories about this happening in places like Australia. Still, it's a code violation.
 

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Did they, though? I saw those barricades. I went around them a few times. They did NOT have cops guarding all ways to the beach 24/7. I saw plenty of people on the "closed" beaches during that time, many times getting passed by cops, and the cops never hassled anyone.

I didn't see a single law that forced the quarantine of anyone. They tried to coerce a lot of people to agree to it. I did see stories of people agreeing to quarantine, and then getting hassled by health officials when they broke it. But if those people didn't intend to honor their contract, why did they agree to the contract in the first place? You ALWAYS have the right to contract unlimited.

As for any forced vaccine laws....... I haven't seen them, so don't know the details, but would highly doubt they wrote it in a way that would allow to vaccinate you without your consent.
I live where access to beaches is less so unless you have a means to park and parking is scant. So if they closed down parking it is very hard to go to the beach. I thought of many ways to try to get there. But they were only closed a few weeks. When they finally did open, they had a cop guarding the parking access to prevent too many people coming in. It was ridiculous. We parked at a business and walked instead.

Florida passed a bill to allow for pandemic measures, can't remember the wording. But apparently there is a law from like a hundred yrs ago that allows for mass vaccination if necessary thankfully they haven't used it other than smallpox vaccines. People were trying to refuse those and having a rough time. The fines were extremely small back then! A dude took it to court and ended up paying the small fine lol.

Anyway, I agree with you that all of this is unlawful and people shouldn't be complying. Unfortunately they are and are shaming their friends and family who don't.
 

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