Summary Of Prostate Improvements

[SQu]

My dad is 88, smokes, otherwise has excellent health, except for years of ignoring BPH symptoms, ie excessive urination day and night. This escalated when he lost weight and muscle after the death of my mom in January. Went to the doc with lower abdominal pain, high PSA 5.2 (4 is top of range). While on holiday he took flu medication with pseudephedrine, ended up in emergency needing catheter. Biopsy identified cancer. A few weeks later had the 'turp' op. By then prostate much less swollen.Good recovery made and no cancer treatment needed said doc. Who also said at checkup 6 weeks later, that cancer 'seemed to be gone' on examination. No biopsy done so not a scientific fact, but in terms of quality of life, good enough I'd say. Below I'll post some of the conversation with @haidut for the interest of anyone trying to reduce swollen prostate.

Haidut:
BPH and high PSA seem to be caused by endotoxin and estrogen mostly, so something as simple as vitamin E and/or charcoal should make a big difference. Niacinamide also helps block the effects of endoxotin and it is anti-estrogenic as well. Glycine, cyproheptadine, and emodin would be the other things antagonizingendotoxin. Here are some links:
Prostate Enlargement (BPH) May Be Due To Endotoxin
Prolactin As A Causative Agent In Prostate Cancer
Test For Estrogenic Activity AndProstate Cancer

Me: Hi Haidut I thought I'd update you. As I mentioned things got out of hand before I even got the chance to start on some PSA lowering, but what I was then able to give him (vit A 30 000iu,, niacinamide 300 mg, 1.2 mg vit k, 1.5g b1, approx 3tsps glycine, pinch cascara and mag chloride daily, no pufas and enough calories), have clearly done lots for him including lower PSA so though biopsy confirms prostate cancer, doc not worried as PSA is dropping; secondly raise lung function test from 61(%? Not sure) to 72 also with the 'assistance' of an inhaler the doc prescribed, no doubt with cortisone but anyway... To pass him fit for 'turp 'op Mon. I've warned dad about irreversible dementia risk, but it's his call, he hates the catheter and wants it out. Pre op I'm telling him to take tablespoon glycine. Thinking of asking urologist post-op about bromocriptine but this is the most arrogant egotistical specialist I've ever come across, at least we've already said no to aggressive cancer treatments like castration, and lower PSA curbs his enthusiasm. I've arranged higher dose k2 (5mg) from compounding pharmacy and if all goes well I'd like to start dad on aspirin and that k2 once recovered from turp op.
But this is mainly a long way to say thank you, it's incredible what even too little too late has done for him already including a much needed weight gain of nearly 5kgs to 63kgs, all of which has to be muscle and bone I think. This approach is incredible!

Haidut:
Thanks you for the update, this is great news! You may also want to keep in mind the studies showing testosterone, DHT and even DHEA helping even very advanced prostate cancer. Hopefully, it won't get to that point though. And about the urologist being egotistical - I am not surprised. The more specialized the doctor the more they think they know about the world even thought their very specialization says otherwise.

Me: A 6 week update: on the above programme, including pau d arco tea, not yet added aspirin but may soon as now have k2 (mk7 unfortunately but better than nothing I think) in higher dose, 5mg; dad saw urologist, who says on examination that he might not even have cancer anymore (though diagnosed by biopsy approx 2 months ago). I thought you'd be interested to hear that! Of course it'll never contribute to the statistics, it'll slip through the cracks like most such stories. But wonderful to know cancer is not unfixable. Thanks so much.

Haidut:
Wow, this is just great! Do you mind posting on a separate thread on the forum? This will give some many people here not only hope but also confidence to take health into their own hands.
Thanks again, and I am really happy for this development!!!

 

[SQu]

Couple more things: he doesn't live with me so I had to choose things he can get his head around over extra complicating things eg charcoal, would be constipating for an already chronically constipated person; still not giving him aspirin as the mk7 k2 not very effective, I'm finding I still bleed easily myself so not giving to him; emphasizing calories, weight gain, no skipping meals, bedtime and early morning bedside snacks, too much wheat i know but biscuits are easy and calories are more important; already cooks with coconut oil and butter; that kind of thing. Doc did give course of avodart and more recently tried to give another plus injection of firmagon, on being reminded that he had said no treatment necc (sees so many people I think he just forgets) immediately retracted. Finally it's up to my dad to keep this up as long as he's not yet in a home and is able to; this kind of management has taken a lot out of me and away from my own family and their pressing needs. I have to step back now.
I can see why health problems in the elderly are so badly managed. It's all consuming, so do the work now, reap the rewards later when you need them, if you don't have family members who will do it all for you!!

 

[ecstatichamster]

It's cuz they fill people with dangerous drugs and unneeded surgeries. I've helped guys with catheters get off it completely. Raising co2 is often all that is needed. Good work with your dad. We can't control other people and often can't easily influence them either.

 

[Giraffe]

Thanks for sharing @SQu.

 

[Rafe]

@SQu Thank you for this report. It must be especially challenging to add Peat strategies to the medical model. Great job, man. Your family is lucky to have you. This is so encouraging for those of us whose parents are elderly & starting to experience health setbacks.

 

[SQu]

It must be especially challenging to add Peat strategies to the medical model

Exactly. The downside of this story is that it was really so unnecessary because it was neglect that got things to crisis point and put himself (and me) through the hospitalization/specialist ordeal. But you know how most people do it ...

 

[SQu]

. I've helped guys with catheters get off it completely

That's very cool. What sort of ages are they? My father in law lived with one for at least 2 years and his quality of life and will to live were damaged, his life shortened. And from what I know now, perhaps unnecessarily as he had BPH not cancer. But he would never listen to me anyway so, wouldn't have made a difference.

 

[ecstatichamster]

That's very cool. What sort of ages are they? My father in law lived with one for at least 2 years and his quality of life and will to live were damaged, his life shortened. And from what I know now, perhaps unnecessarily as he had BPH not cancer. But he would never listen to me anyway so, wouldn't have made a difference.

60s. And they mostly don't listen. But sometimes they do.

 

[DennisX]

It's cuz they fill people with dangerous drugs and unneeded surgeries. I've helped guys with catheters get off it completely. Raising co2 is often all that is needed. Good work with your dad. We can't control other people and often can't easily influence them either.

Is there is thread on how to raise co2 and it's effects?

 

[Giraffe]

Is there is thread on how to raise co2 and it's effects?

You might want to start with this interview transcript: Buteyko Breathing - Bud Weiss, 2008-09-15

The other threads about CO2 are here: CO2, Bag Breathing

 

[DennisX]

Thanks

 

[gilson dantas]

very good!

 

[SQu]

The doctor was asked why the avodart prescription, and why "too much testosterone" is the problem when younger men have more. His answer, for the record, was that the swollen prostate provides more testosterone receptors due to its larger size, hence effectively more testosterone reaching and acting on the prostate. He is a leading urologist (spell predictor keeps wanting to say ufologist and maybe that's more accurate) so there's the official line for you.

 

[jb116]

The doctor was asked why the avodart prescription, and why "too much testosterone" is the problem when younger men have more. His answer, for the record, was that the swollen prostate provides more testosterone receptors due to its larger size, hence effectively more testosterone reaching and acting on the prostate. He is a leading urologist (spell predictor keeps wanting to say ufologist and maybe that's more accurate) so there's the official line for you.

Tell him next time that inflammation should then perpetually and proportionately exist always. Markers of said inflammation should then always be detectable in a young man. This is simply not so; his response does not hold water.