Study: Less Sugar Quickly Improves Health Of Overweight Kids Adults

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  1. Mossy

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    This is a newly published study making major news sources:

    Conversion of Sugar to Fat: Is Hepatic de Novo Lipogenesis Leading to Metabolic Syndrome and Associated Chronic Diseases? | The Journal of the American Osteopathic Association

    https://www.upi.com/Health_News/2017/08/07/Less-sugar-quickly-improves-health-of-overweight-kids-adults/6021502135963/


    To Improve Your Health Just Two Weeks, Cut Out High Fructose Corn Syrup Now

    As a fairly new Peater (o_O), I've had pretty good success with sugar, and have over come just a bit of anti-sugar-indoctrination based apprehension, to whole-heartily embrace the world of Peat and sugar. My only area of non-success would be some bleeding of the gums since starting. This has since stopped, but at first it did lead me to reconsider the amount of sugar I was consuming, though I don't know for certain if it was the cause.

    My first thought on this study, from a limited understanding of the intricacies of Peating, is that HFCS, PUFAs, and starches are the true culprit in diabetes and obesity; and, that the success in this study is due to the reduction of HFCS in "sugar-sweetened beverages", not food-based and other supplemental sugars.

    I'm sure studies like this are quite common, but it may be of interest to some.
     
  2. Tarmander

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    "Epidemiologic studies suggest..."
    Edit: on a more positive note. Gratz on finding peat! When you read lots of studies you start to get a little glazed eyed look when you see studies like the one above. It's basically just virtue signaling from some researcher trying to get more money, or propaganda, or idiocy.
     
  3. lvysaur

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    not gonna lie, I do an internal cringe whenever I hear that phrase.
     
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    Thanks! Yeah, I'm glad I stumbled upon the world of Peat.
     
  5. Tarmander

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    It describes a certain behavior pretty well seems to me. Have a better word or phrase?
     
  6. Westside PUFAs

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    He's said that HFCS is not that different metabolically from sucrose and he's said this and this. Sweet, "clean" fruit and low fat lactose are his main sources of sugar. Sucrose "white" sugar should be used as a side source, not the main, because of the lack of micronutrients. Also see these positive starch quotes.
     
  7. Westside PUFAs

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    These studies ignore the role dietary fat plays in what they are purporting. They talk about added sugar but ignore added fat.
     
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    Would you say you feel triggered?
     
  9. lvysaur

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    Not really, "cringe" is the best word to describe it.

    It doesn't. It's a meaningless term used by one political extreme to label behaviors by the other, while remaining willfully ignorant of identical behavior among its own ranks.

    The effect is that it doesn't say anything of substance. It's just a politically charged synonym for "talking".
     
  10. Sunny Jack

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    Regarding refined sugar, is it's potential danger that it speeds up the metabolism without providing any nutrients? So that it increases the need for nutrients, but leads to an even greater deficit than someone who didn't consume refined sugar would experience?
     
  11. ReSTART

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    Pretty much.
     
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    Fructose effects on the liver have been discusses quite a bit here (see tyw posts for example), afaik there is no conclusion as to whether it's dangerous or safe, even in the context of fruits and fruit juices. How much one consumes at once may be an issue too.
     
  13. Tarmander

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    Not sure about all that. I meant there are researchers who in academia who are willing to toe the "party line" so to speak, and doing an anti sugar study is a nice way of signalling that you are not going to be controversial, and will support the current consensus. They are signalling, their virtue...or perhaps in this case, their demagoguery
     
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    Probably because sugar increases metabolism and they're nutrient deplete...
     
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    So someone without access to adequate nutrients should probably strive to keep a lower metabolism, and certainly lay off the sugar until they were sure they could supplement what they needed.

    What are the main nutrients that a high metabolism might deplete, and which a person should ensure that they consumed a lot of?
     
  16. ReSTART

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    Unless you live in a food desert or are immensely poor, you have access to adequate nutrients from just eating a diet based in whole foods instead of highly refined foods like white flour, white sugar, oils, fats, etc.
     
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    Virtue signalling has been around long before the modern political era, and the fact that virtue signalling aptly and cogently addresses the behavior demonstrated by a certain political group primarily does not take away from the words merit and credentials in behavior psychology. Anytime someone adopts beliefs while chiefly considering the perception of their friends and peers with no concern for the truth or their own empirical thought processes, we are entitled and even obligated to implement usage of the term virtue signalling. Yes conservatives can do it too. Though, if you have ever been to a major city or college campus, it is clear enough why conservative pundits adopted the term- many of these people don't know the first or second thing about politics or history but they do know that conservatives are big dumb meanies and their friends are all liberals who will shun them if they aren't.

     
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    That's old news. The mechanism is debated in the other threads but fructose will elevate VLDL one way or another. This is normal.

    The problem in obesity is the increased local production of cortisol in the adipose tissue. In humans it both increases insulin sensitivity in the adipose (as opposed to muscle/other) tissue locally (Glucocorticoids Fail to Cause Insulin Resistance in Human Subcutaneous Adipose Tissue In Vivo | The Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism | Oxford Academic) and it increases the lipoprotein lipase so that a higher amount of the VLDL gets broken down near the adipose tissue where the cortisol is more concentrated and gets sucked up there.

    It's a human tissue-specific distribution problem primarily driven by glucocorticoids.

    Although you are probably better off spreading out your fructose consumption, it's secondary.
     
  19. James IV

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    Eating too much energy makes you fat. Remove the 400 calorie Starbucks and big gulps from breakfast and lunch, and the person will likely lose weight.
     
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    This adds some insight -- thanks you.
     
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