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Stopping Or Reducing Dietary Fiber Intake Reduces Constipation And Its Associated Symptoms

Discussion in 'Scientific Studies' started by franko, Dec 28, 2015.

  1. franko

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    The following is quoted from an email newsletter from GutSense.org. I'm not shilling for this guy, he just already did the work of summarizing the cited studies:

    EDITED: Removed the aforementioned gutsense commentary and replaced it with the study it referenced and described.

    Stopping or reducing dietary fiber intake reduces constipation and its associated symptoms
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3435786/

     
  2. ecstatichamster

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    This sure seems like shilling.

    But anyway, the study is quite poor according to the abstract. There is no mention of the TYPE of fiber that the "high fiber" people were using.

    If they were using bran and cereal grains, then I totally get it. But if they were using say psyllium fiber, then I disagree. There are some good studies showing psyllium fiber works well and has no adverse effects. I've found it a lifesaver.
     
  3. tomisonbottom

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    Ray has said psyllium can be carcinogenic. And this study confirms that, just so you know...
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3025886

    'Experiments in laboratory animals, using chemical induction of large bowel cancer, have in general shown a protective effect with supplements of poorly fermentable fibers such as wheat bran or cellulose. In contrast, a number of fermentable fiber supplements including pectin, corn bran, oat bran, undegraded carageenan, agar, psyllium, guar gum, and alfalfa have been shown to enhance tumor development.'

    I think that's why he suggests the carrot for fiber instead. Or occasional charcoal.
     
  4. tca300

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    When did Ray say Psyllium is carcinogenic?? I literally just asked him a few days ago about Psyllium husk and he said it can be helpful for some and constipating for others. In fact in his email archive of questions and answers he said under the carrot topic
    "If you want to avoid the carotene of carrots, they can be rinsed after shredding; washed and cooked bran or psyllium husk can be effective, too."
    It seems lots of people on this form just say Ray says this or Ray says that, when he actually said no such thing. Its misleading and frustrating.
     
  5. YuraCZ

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    I can't poop without 1 heaped tsp of psyllium powder a day right now.. It's also good for softening stool. So who has hemorrhoids. It's a must..
     
  6. ecstatichamster

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    I don't think this is so simple.

    http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/01635588709513949

     
  7. Giraffe

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    It's not clear in the transcript, but I assume that Peat said it:

    Serotonin, Endotoxins, Stress - KMUD, 2011-06-17

    I think if the psyllum helps motility the advantages can outweigh the disadvantages.
     
  8. ecstatichamster

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    I agree. I wish I didn't need it, but I do. I also take a capsule of S. Boulardii with it and that has helped a lot. They seem to work well together.
     
  9. tca300

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    Thanks for that Giraffe! I was mistaken.
     
  10. raypeatclips

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    How come you still take psyllium despite the above study?
     
  11. tca300

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    That study shows no evidence of psyllium causing problems, it just mentions it. I have a study showing it's resistant to fermentation and Ray doesn't see it as a dangerous supplement.
     
  12. tca300

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    @raypeatclips sorry I thought you were referring to a common study that talks about psyllium. I don't know why Ray said that about psyllium because he didn't respond negatively when I have talked to be about it recently.... hmmm
     
  13. raypeatclips

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    My mistake (nearly time to sleep) I thought that above post was an abstract from a study but it was something Ray said. I might ask him to clarify his thoughts on psyllium it looks interesting
     
  14. tca300

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    Yes please Do!
     
  15. aarfai

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    Hi ecstatichamster do you still use psyllium fiber? If so is it helping?
     
  16. ecstatichamster

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    I stopped. Felt it was not a healthy lifelong habit.
     
  17. EIRE24

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    Did bowel movements take a hit when you stopped?
     
  18. ecstatichamster

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    Very much. I use mushrooms and fruit and cascara and magnesium now. It is probably healthier.
     
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    Do you have any suggestions for diarrhea if carrot salads don't seem to work? Ray said this about psyllium husk in the wiki. "If you want to avoid the carotene of carrots, they can be rinsed after shredding; washed and cooked bran or psyllium husk can be effective, too."
     
  20. mayweatherking

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    where does he say it's not dangerous? ive never seen him recommend that, he only says carrot, mushroom, or bamboo shoots
     
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