Stearic acid (SA) is an estrogen receptor antagonist

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Over the last year or so I stumbled upon a few studies claiming both SA (C18:0) and its methyl ester are capable of binding the estrogen receptors (ER) and modulate their transcription effects. However, those studies did not evaluate if SA acted as an agonist or antagonist on those receptors. So, I did a little searching around and found a dissertation/study that perform such analysis and found that 50 uM/L concentration of SA was able to suppress the downstream transcriptional effects of ER-alpha activation by 50%-60%. In addition, SA at the same concentration was able to even lower the expression of ER-alpha in some cells. The concentration of 50 uM/L is not high at all and is achievable with a single SA dose of about 1g, which can be provided by even a single small meal containing 5g-10g mostly dairy or ruminant animal fat. In addition, the study cites evidence that other fatty acids are also putative ER modulators. Namely, palmitic acid (C16:0), oleic acid (C18:1) and linoleic acid (C18:2). Btw, there is already published evidence that palmitic acid is an antagonist on ER and that oleic acid (a MUFA) is neutral on that receptor. There is also the study below demonstrating that long-chain fatty acids drive progression of prostate cancer by activating ER.

A novel fatty acid-binding protein 5-estrogen-related receptor α signaling pathway promotes cell growth and energy metabolism in prostate cancer cells | Oncotarget
Since the saturated fats (SFA) such as stearic and palmitic acids, and monounsaturated fats such as oleic acid are either antagonists or ER or are neutral on that receptor, the combined findings of the study above and the one below suggest that PUFA can act as ER agonists. So, their role is not simply as estrogen effect "promoters". They are themselves (xeno)estrogens that have potent estrogenic effects in concentrations easily reachable by eating even a single meal of most commercially available foods prepared with seed oils. Since the affinity for ER of both SFA and PUFA are about the same, that means a person should consume SFA and PUFA in at least 2:1 ratio to be able to significantly blunt the direct estrogenic effects of PUFA. Of course, PUFA consumption ideally should be zero, but for people who cannot avoid it and are forced to eat commercially prepared/processed "food" targeting a high SFA:PUFA ratio is probably the only realistic option.

https://refubium.fu-berlin.de/bitst...95/Ban_Zsofia_diss.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y
"...In BMDM, C18:0 was able to repress the expression of IL-4-receptor despite E2 co-stimulation, as shown in Fig. 29A. The finding that C18:0 is decreasing the expression of an ERα-target gene in macrophages, led to the next question, e.g. whether stearic acid is directly influencing the transcriptional activity of ERα. For this purpose, luciferase genereporter assay experiments were conducted in THP-1 macrophages, assessing the E2-induced transcriptional activity of ERα depending on the co-administration of C18:0. Indeed, as shown in Fig. 29B, the FA was able to highly repress transcriptional activity of ERα in macrophages. Next, expression of ERα in dependence of C18:0 co-stimulation was assessed by WB, in order to question whether the FA might influence transcriptional activity through downregulation of the nuclear receptor. Analyses of 6, 12 and 24 hours of stimulation of BMDM revealed no regulation of ERα expression on protein levels (Fig. 29D). Though, 24h stimulation with stearic acid seemed to reduce overall protein expression in primary macrophages, pointing towards a higher susceptibility of this cell type in-vitro towards the FA. "

"...As subjected in chapter 1.5.1, FAs are more than just nutrients supplying energy, but important modulators in cell function. For palmitic acid (C16:0), La Rosa and colleagues (La Rosa et al., 2012) already demonstrated the ability of FAs to bind to ERα and to modulate its transcriptional function by acylation at the residue C447. The mutation of this binding site resulted in the present study in attenuation of C18:0 mediated inhibition of transcriptional activity (Fig. 29C), demonstrating that this specific cysteine residue is at least one of the possible targets of the fatty acid. To assess whether C18:0 itself is able to bind to ERα, immunoprecipitation (IP) experiments were conducted in HeLa cells overexpressing ERα after co-stimulation of E2 and stearic acid versus E2 and BSA, as control. After the IP, protein-beads complexes were subjected to analysis by LC/MS in order to identify fatty acids possibly binding to the protein of interest. Indeed, few fatty acids could be found in the ERα-precipitates and were quantified. Mainly three FAs were present in considerable amount: palmitic acid (C16:0), oleic acid (C18:1n9) and linoleic acid (C18:2n6). Only C18:1n9 was significantly induced by C18:0 stimulation, suggesting desaturation of C18:0 after incorporation into the cells. Oleic acid is indeed the main metabolite of C18:0 and C18:0 was itself not detectable in the IPs. In conclusion, these results point towards a previously unknown interaction between ERα and dietary fatty acids, modulating the transcriptional activity of this nuclear receptor and therefore influencing negatively macrophage function and immune response."
 

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Are you planning on releasing methylstearate as a product?
 
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Over the last year or so I stumbled upon a few studies claiming both SA (C18:0) and its methyl ester are capable of binding the estrogen receptors (ER) and modulate their transcription effects. However, those studies did not evaluate if SA acted as an agonist or antagonist on those receptors. So, I did a little searching around and found a dissertation/study that perform such analysis and found that 50 uM/L concentration of SA was able to suppress the downstream transcriptional effects of ER-alpha activation by 50%-60%. In addition, SA at the same concentration was able to even lower the expression of ER-alpha in some cells. The concentration of 50 uM/L is not high at all and is achievable with a single SA dose of about 1g, which can be provided by even a single small meal containing 5g-10g mostly dairy or ruminant animal fat. In addition, the study cites evidence that other fatty acids are also putative ER modulators. Namely, palmitic acid (C16:0), oleic acid (C18:1) and linoleic acid (C18:2). Btw, there is already published evidence that palmitic acid is an antagonist on ER and that oleic acid (a MUFA) is neutral on that receptor. There is also the study below demonstrating that long-chain fatty acids drive progression of prostate cancer by activating ER.

A novel fatty acid-binding protein 5-estrogen-related receptor α signaling pathway promotes cell growth and energy metabolism in prostate cancer cells | Oncotarget
Since the saturated fats (SFA) such as stearic and palmitic acids, and monounsaturated fats such as oleic acid are either antagonists or ER or are neutral on that receptor, the combined findings of the study above and the one below suggest that PUFA can act as ER agonists. So, their role is not simply as estrogen effect "promoters". They are themselves (xeno)estrogens that have potent estrogenic effects in concentrations easily reachable by eating even a single meal of most commercially available foods prepared with seed oils. Since the affinity for ER of both SFA and PUFA are about the same, that means a person should consume SFA and PUFA in at least 2:1 ratio to be able to significantly blunt the direct estrogenic effects of PUFA. Of course, PUFA consumption ideally should be zero, but for people who cannot avoid it and are forced to eat commercially prepared/processed "food" targeting a high SFA:PUFA ratio is probably the only realistic option.

https://refubium.fu-berlin.de/bitst...95/Ban_Zsofia_diss.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y
"...In BMDM, C18:0 was able to repress the expression of IL-4-receptor despite E2 co-stimulation, as shown in Fig. 29A. The finding that C18:0 is decreasing the expression of an ERα-target gene in macrophages, led to the next question, e.g. whether stearic acid is directly influencing the transcriptional activity of ERα. For this purpose, luciferase genereporter assay experiments were conducted in THP-1 macrophages, assessing the E2-induced transcriptional activity of ERα depending on the co-administration of C18:0. Indeed, as shown in Fig. 29B, the FA was able to highly repress transcriptional activity of ERα in macrophages. Next, expression of ERα in dependence of C18:0 co-stimulation was assessed by WB, in order to question whether the FA might influence transcriptional activity through downregulation of the nuclear receptor. Analyses of 6, 12 and 24 hours of stimulation of BMDM revealed no regulation of ERα expression on protein levels (Fig. 29D). Though, 24h stimulation with stearic acid seemed to reduce overall protein expression in primary macrophages, pointing towards a higher susceptibility of this cell type in-vitro towards the FA. "

"...As subjected in chapter 1.5.1, FAs are more than just nutrients supplying energy, but important modulators in cell function. For palmitic acid (C16:0), La Rosa and colleagues (La Rosa et al., 2012) already demonstrated the ability of FAs to bind to ERα and to modulate its transcriptional function by acylation at the residue C447. The mutation of this binding site resulted in the present study in attenuation of C18:0 mediated inhibition of transcriptional activity (Fig. 29C), demonstrating that this specific cysteine residue is at least one of the possible targets of the fatty acid. To assess whether C18:0 itself is able to bind to ERα, immunoprecipitation (IP) experiments were conducted in HeLa cells overexpressing ERα after co-stimulation of E2 and stearic acid versus E2 and BSA, as control. After the IP, protein-beads complexes were subjected to analysis by LC/MS in order to identify fatty acids possibly binding to the protein of interest. Indeed, few fatty acids could be found in the ERα-precipitates and were quantified. Mainly three FAs were present in considerable amount: palmitic acid (C16:0), oleic acid (C18:1n9) and linoleic acid (C18:2n6). Only C18:1n9 was significantly induced by C18:0 stimulation, suggesting desaturation of C18:0 after incorporation into the cells. Oleic acid is indeed the main metabolite of C18:0 and C18:0 was itself not detectable in the IPs. In conclusion, these results point towards a previously unknown interaction between ERα and dietary fatty acids, modulating the transcriptional activity of this nuclear receptor and therefore influencing negatively macrophage function and immune response."
Thank you for this find @haidut. If my understanding is correct, if one was at a get together and as things are today PUFA is in mostly everything, if one did not remember to take some aspirin, vitamin E or as I have recently discovered Mito Lipin. One could in a jam use some milk or butter to mitigate some of the damage from just being a social human at a party.
As you point out it is ideal to keep PUFA at zero but very rarely is the world ideal.
 

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Did you mention exemestane on the DR podcast and mentioned it might not effect transcription, it just gets rid of aromatase in the cell, once the cell realises its too low it may increase the production of aromatase? Basically SA counters this recreation of aromatase?
I suspect androsterone behaves in a similar way.

I know it's in defibron but have you tried said methyl ester isolated? It requires a lot of defibron almost 3 times the dose to get 1g?
 
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Did you mention exemestane on the DR podcast and mentioned it might not effect transcription, it just gets rid of aromatase in the cell, once the cell realises its too low it may increase the production of aromatase? Basically SA counters this recreation of aromatase?
I suspect androsterone behaves in a similar way.

I know it's in defibron but have you tried said methyl ester isolated? It requires a lot of defibron almost 3 times the dose to get 1g?

Yep, SA may help controls the amounts of actual aromatase enzyme produced by cells. Exemestane is a suicide inhibitor and while used things are OK but when stopped there may be a rebound in the amount of aromatase produced and SA may help control that rebound.
 
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Thank you for this find @haidut. If my understanding is correct, if one was at a get together and as things are today PUFA is in mostly everything, if one did not remember to take some aspirin, vitamin E or as I have recently discovered Mito Lipin. One could in a jam use some milk or butter to mitigate some of the damage from just being a social human at a party.
As you point out it is ideal to keep PUFA at zero but very rarely is the world ideal.

Yes, vitamin E, aspirin and SA may help with the PUFA in a meal that cannot be avoided due to social pressure/requirements.
 

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I have been putting 2 LIFE giving store cocoa butter wafers in my morning coffee- so 4 each morning. If there any way to know how much SA I am getting?
 

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Does anybody have a good source for stearic acid in Canada?
 

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Does anybody have a good source for stearic acid in Canada?
what about food sources? like if youre getting 70g fat from grass fed milk wouldn't it contain a lot of stearic acid so you dont need to supplement.
 

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I have been putting 2 LIFE giving store cocoa butter wafers in my morning coffee- so 4 each morning. If there any way to know how much SA I am getting?
cacao butter is 33% stearic acid. Just do the math based on how much cacao butter you eat which is all fat.
 

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cacao butter is 33% stearic acid. Just do the math based on how much cacao butter you eat which is all fat.
Is this where the greatest amount of oxalate resides?
 

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Does anybody have a good source for stearic acid in Canada?
I've seen the other day that Brad Marshall, the creator of the "Croissant diet", actually sells food grade pure stearic acid. Haven't tried it, but if you want to have a look and make your researches you can go on his website and acces his online shop --> fireinabottle
 

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Oxalates don't reside in the butter , they're in the cacao powder (the brown stuff).
@Dutchie

Thanks


Is it a question linked to the laws on the sale or does the stearic acid used as a cosmetic solvent differ from the "food" one?

If I do not find pure stearic acid, I will evaluate raw cocoa butter to alternate with unsweetened cocoa powder.
 

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White chocolade is my favorite source of stearic acid :)
it does not come with the HDL increasing effects of the cocoa, no fiber, no catechins, just a pure taste orgasm in the mouth
 

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White chocolade is my favorite source of stearic acid :)
it does not come with the HDL increasing effects of the cocoa, no fiber, no catechins, just a pure taste orgasm in the mouth
I had not thought about it ... but there is sugar ... not that it is against it of course but I preferred something isolated.
 

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I had not thought about it ... but there is sugar ... not that it is against it of course but I preferred something isolated.
Industrial farmer suppliers sell pure stearic acid in bulk for farmers cattle, check it out.

Edit my mistake they sell The so called rumen-resistant fat is rich in Palmoil (C16:0)
 
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White chocolade is my favorite source of stearic acid :)
it does not come with the HDL increasing effects of the cocoa, no fiber, no catechins, just a pure taste orgasm in the mouth
Are you making or buying ? I have a recipe for white chocolate- it is the cocoa butter, milk powder, and sugar. But then Ray talks about the process for making milk powder being adulterated recently, abd he is no longer consuming milk powder pancakes. 😕
 
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