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Started Great, Now Gaining Belly Fat, Have High Blood Pressure, Starting To Feel Unwell

Discussion in 'Ask For Help or Advice' started by Malris, Apr 19, 2017.

  1. Malris

    Malris New Member

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    Hi all,

    I started Peating in December of last year. I felt amazing! HUGE amounts of energy, blood pressure 120/80, fasting blood glucose as low as 70 despite eating and drinking all that sugar. Amazing stuff. I ended up waking up several times the first few nights to pee excess fluid as my edema went down. After that, it was amazing sleep every night for a long time.

    Slowly, though, my fasting blood glucose started to rise, and my blood pressure went up too. I gained about 20-25 pounds (I was already overweight), ALL of it in my belly fat, my neck is about the same size but I had to buy a new belt. After a while, I was having about as many high energy days as "normal" days. The trend kept going, too, until I finally started this post. Lately, I've had many more normal days than high energy days, and I've even had some tired days. This week, allergies have been kicking in, I've been sick, and I've had more tired days than normal days, and no high energy days at all.

    A normal day of eating for me is to drink about 4 cups of strong coffee, and 4-8 glasses of skim milk. Each cup of coffee has a tbsp. of hydrolyzed beef gelatin in it and 2 tbsp. of organic table sugar. I drink 4 cups of pre-made not from concentrate OJ. I have a canned oyster or three and some pineapple (preferably fresh, but often a 4 oz. "snack pack"). I take 2 tbsp. of beef gelatin right before bed with a tsp. of salt in it. I eat beef or chicken liver as often as I remember it, which is about once every other week. I have a "normal" dinner, a hamburger made fresh or whatever my wife makes, always with no vegetable oils. I eat some sugar candy, like skittles, and have mexican coke or other sugar sodas. We eat out or order in once or twice a week, primarily Asian foods, so some rice, some veg, usually beef, possibly cooked in oils. Occasionally we'll make a steak or other beef dish at home. I have chicken maybe once a month, though chicken liver more frequently than that. Sometimes I get SUPER HUNGRY and eat a whole bag of Jackson's Honest potato chips fried in coconut oil, or eat a bunch of candy...and sometimes I have to keep eating even after that. Occasionally, I'll have a "5 ingredients" ice cream or a small piece of 55% dark chocolate.

    I take 1500 iu D, 500mg magnesium, 1 325mg aspirin, and a zyrtec daily. I take carlson labs k2 and a Unique E once every 4 days. All the supplements are based on using cronometer.com on and off, and I've added them only to make sure that I'm hitting 100% on all the nutrients listed. My use of cronometer is spotty, I don't use it every day.

    I'm at 145/95 blood pressure, 110-115 fasting blood glucose, and I weigh 256 pounds (6'2" male,) which is about 20 pounds more than I have in over five years.

    Why is my BP going up? What happened to my fasting blood glucose? Where did my energy go?

    How do I fix this?!?
     
  2. tca300

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    I would drop that unique E. Some people are having very bad reactions to it. Its quality is highly questionable.

    When you eat foods that raise metabolism, your likely to over eat unintentionally because of increased hunger. Its important to track food ( at least initially) and after experamenting with finding your personal caloric needs, to not exceed them, or weight gain is likely.

    Many find that a true low fat diet allows them to not have to track calories, because gaining weight becomes more difficult, but when the typical amount of fat is consumed, calorie counting becomes more important until you are tuned in with how much food you know you need, without exceeding that maintenance amount.

    Im not a blood pressure expert, but every overweight person I know has above normal blood pressure. Maybe its a coincidence, maybe not.
    After I introduced my grandmother to thyroid, her typical 180/89 ( without blood pressure medication) came down to normal and stays within a healthy range, except for one night when she decided to eat several lbs of holiday ham :hairpull :shock: and it jumped up for several hours afterwards, but was normal the following morning.

    Hope that helps in some way!
    Take care!
     
  3. opiath

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    Were you drinking 4 cups of coffee before you started peating?
    Someone on this forum concluded that a cup of strong coffee mobilizes up to 50 grams of sugar.
    If your liver glycogen is not optimal your coffee dosage might rise your adrenaline levels leading to higher blood pressure.
    Higher adrenaline levels would lead to increased PUFA lipolysis which might contribute to temporary insulin resistance.
    If your diet has also been low fat for a while the above would be more likely.
     
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    Malris

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    Interesting, thank you for the unique E recommendation. I added that in a bit later, so that could be the culprit. I don't yet have a doctor, so getting tests comes only once a year from a physical at work around July. I don't really want to wait that long to get a thyroid panel and a few other things, I need to go read the forums about what blood tests, they look pretty useful.

    Other things I think I've changed: I started with whole milk, changed to 1%, then dropped to nonfat. Added the Carlson K2 about a month ago. Tried to eliminate all fat except for dinner (gotta keep the wife happy, y'know..."what do you mean you won't eat dinner because it's got cheese in it?" is not something I want to deal with!) about two and a half months ago. Dinner is a bit of a wildcard, but often is low or no fat as well.

    Past history: I was low-carb high-fat for 6 years prior to Peat. I was lower weight that whole time but started creeping up a bit in the last two years to about 235. Tried 2 weeks of potatoes because of Penn Jillette's book, lost 25 pounds in 2 weeks. My gut couldn't handle the vegan diet afterwards, though, and I was gaining weight like crazy eating 2 lbs of veggies a day, right back up to 235 in a few weeks, along with horrible constipation. Found Peat, said "well, if 2 weeks of potatoes can help, Ray Peat's worth a shot..." and that pretty much gets us to the first post.

    I was not drinking 4 cups of coffee before peating. Probably about 3 cups, always have had it strong and drank it black before Peat. Now I try to drink it along side the OJ and also put 2 tbsp. of sugar in, which should have a combined sugar higher than 50 grams...
     
  5. whodathunkit

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    Good points! I was also going to suggest looking at coffee intake.

    4 cups of coffee also gives me bad sides. I started off Peating that way last year and it wasn't good. Currently, one strong cup per day with a couple tbsp of gelatin and at least a tablespoon of sugar is doing me fabulous. More is not always better. If you get your coffee really hot you can cram almost as much gelatin as you want into a single cup. (keeping in mind that about 30g of protein at a time is about all the body can make use of).

    Also, consider cutting the candy and general "added sugar" intake and instead eat more actual fruit. Too much granulated/isolated sugar doesn't do me well at all, and it seems that way for a lot of people. A good way to get fruit is to puree frozen fruit in some milk...mangos and berries are good Peaty fruits and are usually very ripe and tasty when frozen. You don't necessarily have to drink it while it's still a smoothie...just puree it and put it in the fridge. Drink it when you're hungry. Mango milk made this way is particularly yummy, IMO.

    Honey can also be a good alternative to sugar...sugar is good for energy but since it contains no nutrients at all it actually uses up vitamins and minerals when we metabolize it. This can create deficiencies over time. Eating fruit and honey instead of sugar or added sugar products (like ice cream, skittles, and coke) gives you some nutrients and minerals while still giving you the energy bang for your buck.

    Basically, in addition to possibly too much coffee, it looks like you might be eating too many nutrient-deficient foods and sugar without enough nutrient dense foods to replace what you're metabolizing. This is not criticism...I've done this myself. Just gotta fix it. :) At first Peating seems like a dream: we can have coke, potatoes in coconut oil, and ice cream! But the reality is that many of the things that have become accepted Peat wisdom are things that Peat no longer does because they're not good daily strategies for the long term. For example, I think he drinks 1% milk now, generally watches his fat intake, doesn't drink coke as liberally as he used to, and no longer eats ice cream daily. Hopefully someone will correct me if I'm wrong.

    Also consider that, depending upon your current state of health, you may have to stop and start and have some setbacks for a while. It takes the body a while to recover all the processes necessary for optimal functioning, especially if we've been sub-par for a long while. But as you get healthier the setbacks will become fewer and farther between.

    Good luck! :)
     
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    Malris

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    Yeah, I've been trying to do less added sugar. We don't have a lot of fruit around the house, usually just "bad" fruits for the kids like apples and bananas. Which I eat when they are ripe. But I don't eat enough fruit, especially when I'm super hungry.

    We buy a pineapple whenever I can find a ripe one, got a really good one this week. :thumbup: I LOVE the mango milk idea, that's really nifty.
    Less coffee?!?! But...but...:coffeeAs a last resort, I'll try anything, but lemme try some more fruit & less sugar first, mmmmk? :grin
     
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    Har. :D

    Just saw you've been drinking almost that much pre-Peat so it's unlikely that it's at the root of your problem. Although as your metabolism changes it might be driving things like increased cortisol production. I dunno. Maybe cut back to your standard 3 cups per day? I'm still finding my way, too, although I can say for sure that too much coffee and too much added sugar are definitely roadblocks. "Too much" being a subjective term, o'course.

    Pineapples are supposed to be estrogenic. I stay away from them for the most part, just in case. Just FYI.

    But frozen cherries and peaches are also good. I haven't tried peach milk but I imagine with a little honey frozen peach milk is quite tasty. :)
     
  8. theLaw

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    I would input all of your food into the Cronometer, and post it here to give a better overview.

    My guesses based on your info so far:

    1. Low on overall calories given your height and weight.

    2. Low on salt (might need 1-2Tbsp if you are hypo) - try salt pills or make your own using gel caps

    3. Liver issues + Digestive issues + PUFA in tissues

    ***also, I would consider cutting down on the caffeine until you have a diet where you feel normal, then add it back in (it's increasing your metabolism, which is bad news if you're already underfed)***

    Your binging is a red flag that you are not getting enough calories forcing you to re-feed on a regular basis to feel normal. Also, the starch is a killer, and you might need to give it up until you clear up your liver issues. Keep in mind, there are many members on this forum who never get serious about their diet, and end up years later dealing with the same issues mentioned in #3.:cool:
     
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    Malris

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    #1 - Yeah, I'm worried about additional weight gain, ~20 lbs up is about the max I'm comfortable with, I think. So I try to stay around 2500kcals/day, though some days I've gotten as high as 3500. I generally eat until I'm just about full, where 10-20 minutes later I'm full or don't notice hunger.

    #2 - agreed, Peat says lots of positive things about salt and BP. I am currently trying an experiment where instead of adding the gelatin to the coffee, I've been putting 2 tbsp in hot water and adding a full teaspoon of salt. I also salt the oyster with 1/4 tsp or so. Today was my first day of trying this, so today I'll get at least ~1.1 tbsp of salt. I think I could do up to about 2 tbsp by making "salt tea."

    #3 - You're probably right about this, too. One of the times that I had a lot of energy last week was when I ate a near-perfect Peat carrot salad (chopped the carrots instead of using a peeler to make strips). A couple hours later I had great energy again, really nice. Maybe there's some issues in my gut and I should be more consistent about the carrot salad. I clearly have a lot of PUFA in my tissues, 6 years of low carb high fat will do that... all those times I ordered "salad with extra dressing"...yikes. :doh

    I will track everything on cronometer for a few days. Then I'll have to figure out how to post it here... :sweatsmile:

    One person here on the boards, Stargazer1111, seemed to have some issues a bit similar to mine when he went off whole milk. So today I switched back to whole milk halfway through the day as an experiment. I'll probably do 2% starting tomorrow, my PUFA content today was around 3.9 grams, with 1.2g coming from two glasses of whole milk.
     
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