"Starch stimulates appetite, promotes fat synthesis by...

[Birdie]

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Maybe that sounded like I don't have sympathy for people who have to eat starch for financial reasons. No, that is a good reason.

And RP definitely rates the starches he thinks are okay. He doesn't say no starch. :)
I'm sure you all know he says a potato a day is okay, too. And masa corn. And white rice occasionally.

 

[gretchen]

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I didn't eat many potatoes over the summer but have been craving them lately.

You know, this whole sugar thing is just mind boggling. I actually learned (partially) that sugar is ok and starch is bad 15 years ago on the Zone diet. But no, then I bought in to all carbs are bad and supplements like fish oil. That starches are bad is from the 50s; it's something everyone should know. Instead, we continually hear how bad sugar is. When will it ever end.

 

[narouz]

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A few more RP quotes on starch:

Starch tends to support bacterial overgrowth.... It's okay to avoid starch entirely.

and:

Starch has a poor effect on calcium absorption.

~from WBM interview on Milk~

Birdie posted this elsewhere but I'd never seen it before, so I brought it over here too.
Thanks Birdie!
I don't think I've listened to that one.

 

[Birdie]

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Oh, thanks, narouz. Good discussion topic here.

 

[Zanjabil]

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Starch definitely stimulates my appetite, I do much better on sugar and protein based meals. Starch also makes me feel tired. Potatoes for breakfast is the worse. If I eat them it has to be my evening meal. I only do starch 2-3 times a week.

 

[Birdie]

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I just read Andrew Kim's Glucose Part 1... This starch thing is amazing. I guess everyone else has read all his articles.
If you haven't:

http://www.andrewkimblog.com/2012/09/fr ... ucose.html

 

[gretchen]

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Peat says in a few articles I'm pretty sure that starches are linked to cancer. Tell that to the "everything in moderation" crowd. They say we don't need to eliminate a food group to lose weight; what we need to do is not be so lazy and exercise more.

 

[narouz]

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Peat says in a few articles I'm pretty sure that starches are linked to cancer. Tell that to the "everything in moderation" crowd. They say we don't need to eliminate a food group to lose weight; what we need to do is not be so lazy and exercise more.

That commonplace from my ex-gf, recited ad nauseum, drove me crazy:
"Everything in moderation."
She was very proud of it,
and spoke it wrathfully and self-righteously to me about my dietary explorations.
I saw it as being very proud of nothing.
Or Nothing masquerading as a respectable dietary philosophy.

 

[Birdie]

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Peat says in a few articles I'm pretty sure that starches are linked to cancer. Tell that to the "everything in moderation" crowd. They say we don't need to eliminate a food group to lose weight; what we need to do is not be so lazy and exercise more.

That commonplace from my ex-gf, recited ad nauseum, drove me crazy:
"Everything in moderation."
She was very proud of it,
and spoke it wrathfully and self-righteously to me about my dietary explorations.
I saw it as being very proud of nothing.
Or Nothing masquerading as a respectable dietary philosophy.

That phrase has always irked me.

Today I ran across this Andrew Kim quote:

Starchy vegetables present no problems to cows and horses, but the digestive system in humans is suited for fruit. Taking away starchy vegetables is sometimes all it takes to get over a weight loss plateau and long-standing mysterious ailments – especially those that involve the digestive tract, e.g., constipation.

I find pleasure in having a healthy mind and body. So, avoiding starchy vegetables is an easy decision. Fruit also tastes better.

 

[Birdie]

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I'm not there yet though since masa corn sometimes appeals and I'm not set to give it up. That said, I won't eat it every day and will have CO and fruit with it for damage control.

 

[Ray-Z]

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Peat says in a few articles I'm pretty sure that starches are linked to cancer. Tell that to the "everything in moderation" crowd. They say we don't need to eliminate a food group to lose weight; what we need to do is not be so lazy and exercise more.

That commonplace from my ex-gf, recited ad nauseum, drove me crazy:
"Everything in moderation."
She was very proud of it,
and spoke it wrathfully and self-righteously to me about my dietary explorations.

Ah, yes, going to extremes in defense of moderation...

 

[narouz]

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Yeah.
I used to say:
"What does that mean?
-eat a little bit of good food and a little bit of bad?
-eat some processed food along with real food?
-don't eat too much meat; balance it with starch?
-don't eat too much starch; balance it with vegetables?
-don't eat too much fried food; balance it with steamed?"

 

[Birdie]

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Yes, just eat balanced!!

 

[narouz]

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Really, and to try to be less wrathful myself,
it is a very widespread way of living in this modern world,
if you're living in America, say,
and making decent money...

...it is a very common and even well-respected part of "living well":
to Eat Delicious Food.
It is a very common and respectable way to live,
to Live Sensuously.
There are a LOT of people who live their lives with that as a big part of their goal,
of what makes them want to get up in the morning
and look forward to stuff.

Some people think they are Having It All
by believing
that
Eating The Most Delicious Foods
equals
Eating The Most Healthy Foods.
They arrange their beliefs so as to admit of no dissonance.

But, in my experience, those folks are smaller in number.
I would say that Most People
don't place Health first in their motivations in life.
It would be more like Appetite Satisfaction and Taste Titillation.
Most people, for the most part, in my experience,
see life as worth living partly
because they enjoy eating foods they find delicious and satisfying and varied.
And for the most part...those are not Peatian foods.

I'm talkin' here about a demographic that has some money
and enjoys watching those chef shows on television,
and is probably more highly educated.
It sometimes looks to me like sex is being displaced into food:
titillation, variety, intensity, fetishisms (a plate with a little house made of braised fennel
topped by a seared duck wing and drizzled with an exquisite something-or-other sauce...)

They would look at us Peatians as hypochondriachal and anti-sensuous.

So when most people say something like "Everything in Moderation,"
and many people do!,
what they really mean is:
Don't think so much about diet!
Have fun!
Eat what tastes good!
Relax!
Don't impose intellectual rigidities onto food!
Live life sensually and don't get hung up by thinking much about what you should eat!
Life is short--enjoy!

 

[j.]

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One interesting thing about people making more money and eating more "respectably" is that they eat more muscle meats and stop eating the healthier beef cuts, and they do it so much that less expensive cut of meat is practically synonyms with healthier meat.

I think there might be a social aspect, a status aspect, that overrides the taste aspect. If your wealthy friend visits, and you're about to serve and eat bone broth, or liver, or kidney, or a cow's head, it's like you haven't differentiated yourself from poor people.

 

[Birdie]

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narouz,
I just cracked up reading that.
I think, also, that it's not limited to the braised fennel with duck crowd.
I know some people who use mainly pre-made food but treat it in the same way.
So, you can do it on a budget and ape sophistication.

In some of the healthier minded people, I notice phrases like, "I'm too old to eat what I don't like." Read that, "I'm going to eat whatever the hell I want and complain to you about the consequences."

 

[Birdie]

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narouz,
I've sent that to a friend who's of the Peat ilk.

 

[narouz]

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narouz,
I just cracked up reading that.
I think, also, that it's not limited to the braised fennel with duck crowd.
I know some people who use mainly pre-made food but treat it in the same way.
So, you can do it on a budget and ape sophistication.

In some of the healthier minded people, I notice phrases like, "I'm too old to eat what I don't like." Read that, "I'm going to eat whatever the hell I want and complain to you about the consequences."

Thanks Birdie .
I know what you mean about the latter types who say,
"I'm too old to eat what I don't like." Read that, "I'm going to eat whatever the hell I want and complain to you about the consequences."
There were some of those types on other boards focusing on Peat.
Some of the members/posters would say flat out just about what you said:
"I'm too old to be told what to eat or deprive myself,"
concerning the rigors of a real Peat diet.

To me...I know where they're coming from,
but it is just a silly position IMO.
I mean, you've got these health issues,
and you think enough of Peat's stuff to try the diet, but...
...not really!
And a lot of those posters I'm referring to were people with big weight (overweight) issues,
and their main sticking point in terms of the Peat diet was Starch.

Maybe it's just my peculiar predilection,
but I'm of the mind that if you're going to try a diet,
then Really Try It!
Don't half-**** it!
Because then how are you ever going to know if it "works" or not...?

This brings me 'round, as most anything will! ,
to my hobbyhorse of distilling what a good Peat diet is.
If there is no standard--
however loose and flexible and tentative and non-binding and unAuthoritarian--
...if there is no standard, no clear sense of what a Peat diet is,
then it will really mess up our Group Effort to judge whether it works or not....

Just for one instance:
what if others, outside our board,
try to judge if a Peat diet works or not.
Then they see that everyone insists that there is no diet,
or that everyone insists they have a right to construe the the diet however they please.
I don't think that is going to provide a lot of confidence
in judging our results.

Let's see, where was I...
...oh yeah: Domino's!

 

[charlie]

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Maybe it's just my peculiar predilection,
but I'm of the mind that if you're going to try a diet,
then Really Try It!
Don't half-**** it!
Because then how are you ever going to know if it "works" or not...?

Exactly, couldn't have said it better myself.

Just for one instance:
what if others, outside our board,
try to judge if a Peat diet works or not.
Then they see that everyone insists that there is no diet,
or that everyone insists they have a right to construe the the diet however they please.
I don't think that is going to provide a lot of confidence
in judging our results.

Yep, gotta have a plan and follow it to see if the plan failed or not.

Dang narouz, you are on fire today!

 

[Ray-Z]

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I think there might be a social aspect, a status aspect, that overrides the taste aspect. If your wealthy friend visits, and you're about to serve and eat bone broth, or liver, or kidney, or a cow's head, it's like you haven't differentiated yourself from poor people.

I get your point j, but 4 reelz, I would love to be served cow's head -- maybe as a stew? Anyone who served me (BSE-free) cow brains would have my undying gratitude and friendship.