Travis
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Yeah, haven't you ever heard of George Hackenschmidt? and do you know what he ate? It's in his book if you'd like to know. If I wanted to be bigger then I'd eat more coconut and weight train, but I'm not at all concerned about it; and that doesn't invalidate my original post.Can you show me evidence of any low protein eater without excess fat that has successfully built even moderate amounts of muscle? All skinny people who keep their protein low have very little muscle mass, which makes sense for a sedentary person or an endurance athelete, but I have never seen any proof whatsoever that anyone can build hardly any muscle while eating such low amounts of protein. I have personally experienced this during my vegan days, and have seen well over 50 of past clients who are trying to build muscle but fail to do so until more protein is consumed. The size of the house you can build is dependent on the amount of materials available, and since carbohydrates and fats cannot be converted into amino acids/protein by any human capable process, its quite obvious that a certain EXTRA amount is needed. The amount can very somewhat from person to person, but 35 grams isn't enough for any full grown human to build muscle on, unless they were eating even less than that for a time period beforehand. Low protein ( as well as very high ) diets also result in continuously elevated cortisol.. no thanks.
P.s As he is not a professional athelete, its not at all a liability. Also, he used steriods for a period and still gained zero muscle tissue. Thats quite remarkable but expected when protein consumption is that low.
And just a few snippets from the lord and savior himself
" Vegetarians often notice temporary exhilaration when they stop eating meat, probably because their thyroid has been suppressed. But a more serious hypothyroid state often follows, from a low protein inadequate vegetarian diet. Low protein diets definitely interfere with the liver’s ability to detoxify estrogen and other stressors.” - Ray Peat
“A few years ago, most of the nutritional problems that I saw were caused by physicians, by refined convenience foods, and by poverty. Recently, most of the problems seem to be caused by badly designed vegetarian diets, or by acceptance of the idea that 40 grams of protein per day is sufficient. The liver and other organs deteriorate rapidly on low-protein diets. Observe the faces of the wheat-grass promoters, the millet-eaters, and the ‘anti-mucus’ dieters, and other low-protein people. Do they look old for their age?” - Ray Peat
" A simple protein deficiency has many surprising effects. It lowers body temperature, and suppresses the thyroid, but it increases inflammation and the tendency of blood to clot. Since the brain and heart and lungs require a continuous supply of essential amino acids if they are to continue functioning, in the absence of dietary protein, cortisol must be produced continuously to mobilize amino acids from the expendable tissues, which are mainly the skeletal muscles." - Ray Peat
Could you explain this quote you'd posted?
'Low protein diets definitely interfere with the liver’s ability to detoxify estrogen and other stressors.” - Ray Peat
How exactly would an amount of protein shown repeatedly to maintain nitrogen balance interfere with detoxification of estrogen? And did you know that meat and dairy actually contain estrogen? perhaps countering the effects of increased detoxification of that hormone even if it could.. .
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