Signs That A Person Isn't Worth Your Time Helping But Can Only Make You Sigh In Futile Frustration

[yerrag]

• Believes he needs a degree in medicine, or having taken a biochemistry course to understand surface level explanations, aka "Topic 101." For this person, you can recommend cyanide to him as long as you have a degree. He is a disciple of modern management thinking of outsourcing everything to experts.
• Has a short attention span
• Has an incorrigible itch to interrupt with topics that are totally unrelated to the subject matter at hand
• Can't differentiate between symptoms and causes, e.g. cholesterol lowered by whatever means is problem solved.
• Commiserates with the conventional doctor's heavy workload and thus gives him the latitude to just prescribe quick cures to him in order for the doctor to attend to the long line of patients in the waiting room; finding a cure for himself is not as important
• Asking for a second opinion from two doctors who worship the same medical religion is the way to go
• Cannot take an analogy well and uses the imperfectness of an analogy against you. You end up arguing about the analogy and nothing else lol

Yeah, I had a cookout with my brother-in-law last night over 2-3 bottles of beer. It grew loud, but we settled down and changed gear and topic and ended ups still friends.

 

[Constatine]

Credibility is more important than sound logic it seems. You don't even need to be in the right field as long as something proves your credibility in a conventional way. For an example people would be willing to hear a nuclear physicist out if he claims to understand neurology. Its very rare to find someone who refutes another's logic and not their credibility.

 

[yerrag]

Credibility is more important than sound logic it seems. You don't even need to be in the right field as long as something proves your credibility in a conventional way. For an example people would be willing to hear a nuclear physicist out if he claims to understand neurology. Its very rare to find someone who refutes another's logic and not their credibility.

Yes, its an illusion. That's why there's modern modern theory. There's genetics - an easy excuse for doctors to sell drugs to people helpless in thinking they're genetically doomed. And that's why going against conventional wisdom keeps you above the sinking tide.

 

[Constatine]

Yes, its an illusion. That's why there's modern modern theory. There's genetics - an easy excuse for doctors to sell drugs to people helpless in thinking they're genetically doomed. And that's why going against conventional wisdom keeps you above the sinking tide.

The simplest and most common logical fallacy the personal attack, where you engage the individual rather than the ideas presented. If your around people its almost impossible to spend a full day without seeing it.
Learned helplessness in the medical industry is jaw dropping now a days. Whether it be genetically based ailments or even conditions that are accepted as environmentally based the notion that everything is almost preordained is just ridiculous. In cases like cancer many doctors don't even attempt to control the patients environment despite numerous studies showing that various environmental factors (such as diet, oxidative stress, beneficial compounds, etc) influence the chance of a successful chemo. They just tell the patient the treatment plan, the likelihood of success, and basically say that everything else is up to fate. "Genetic" based ailments (though many doctors argue cancer has genetic factors which might be partially true) are even worse as it gives people excuses to not bother with other factors at all as its just fate's hand.

 

[Lorof]

(...)They just tell the patient the treatment plan, the likelihood of success, and basically say that everything else is up to fate. "Genetic" based ailments (though many doctors argue cancer has genetic factors which might be partially true) are even worse as it gives people excuses to not bother with other factors at all as its just fate's hand.

In my experience people do seem to think that things like diet, exercise and reduction of what is perceived as toxic such as alcohol, nicotine and caffeine affect health.
But most people do not practice what they think is healthy. That is understable when you have been taught that salad, whole grains, plain water, long runs and such are healthy.
To do something "healthy" is perceived like an unpleasant chore where you do something almost unbearable for a set time and are then rewarded with better health afterwards.

When things like fresh pressed orange juice, receiving sunlight, being creative and explorative are promoted as healthy people can follow more naturally.

• Has an incorrigible itch to interrupt with topics that are totally unrelated to the subject matter at hand

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[yerrag]

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