Sexuality And Libido Through A Peat Prism

[BingDing]

Ah, OK, thanks. I was hoping for a good excuse to go down there myself as much as anything, I guess.

I've seen a lot of birds but marine mammals have become my favorites. Vaquitas are endemic to Mexico and will likely go extinct in our lifetime. It's so sad..... I cried writing this, I can't remember the last time I cried. Maybe I'm getting low on estrogen, LOL. Sorry to get so off topic.

 

[tomisonbottom]

My experience Peating has been wild, to say the least. I went from a Low-carb/High-fat diet, (pre-Peat) where I was a cortisol/adrenaline driven high strung skinny-fat b*tch with NO interest in sex at all and couldn't orgasm even if I tried.

Started Peating and right away my sleep was better and libido increased, but was still sort of hit and miss. I went through some crazy physical transformations over the months and have now arrived at a whole new place, sexually speaking. My libido is THROUGH THE ROOF, very very intense, focused and easy....despite being 48 years old, I feel like a teenager again. Who knew?

The things that have directly been responsible for this complete transformation are: thyroid meds, eating LOTS of protein and sugar while keeping fat very low. Adding Progest-E in near insane amounts. Reducing serotonin as much as possible through lowered tryptophan intake and MORE GELATIN. And of course Lisuride...

Yes indeedy, 48 is the new 20 with .10 mg. of Dopergin at a time.

Is Dopergin an over the counter thing?
How low is your fat?
Do you use skim milk only?
What about coconut oil?
I take a ton of progest-E too, but I'm never really sure how much to take.
How much of it do you think you take in a day?

 

[cantstoppeating]

I have not noticed any negative effects of low tryptophan diet, only increased libido, clarity of thought and less stomach issues. The BCAA dose I mentioned earlier was combined with tyrosine, so that's why it was lower. In other words if I am taking BCAA with tyrosine or Phe, I take less BCAA. If I only take BCAA together with my protein meals to block tryptophan transport into the brain I take higher BCAA. For me, these dosage "feel" best but it might be different for others. I do take all 4 fat soluble vitamins together but not b/c I felt that one depleted the others. Before taking all 4, I was taking only vitamin E for about 2 months and I was feeling great. I take them together now b/c they are supposed to have synergistic effect and some of the (vitamin D) are dangerous when taken on their own.
Body composition did not change dramatically while depleting tryptophan, but since my testosterone went up my muscles were feeling a lot harder and some days I felt pumped up like after going to the gym, but without actually lifting any weights. Obviously, adding an set of pushups every once in a while only amplified that feeling. Also, I felt like lifting weights even when I was tired. It just gave me that motivated pumped up feeling.
With the BCAA, the effects are almost immediate. I felt surge in libido the very next day and saliva test a week later confirmed increased testosterone.
The only comment I have about ZMA is that you should try to substitute the magnesium aspartate with a safer salt. Ray does not like the amino acid chelates except the glycinate.

Haidut, do you know of the ratio of BCAA to Tryptophan for the Tryptophan blocking effect? I'm trying to workout what amount of BCAA (if any) I need to add to my protein mix (which contains a daily total of 30g BCAA, 7g Tyrosine, 1.5g Phenylalanine and 2.1g Tryptophan) to minimize the influence of Tryptophan.

EDIT:

Think I've found my answer in another thread (see bolded parts):

Ray hinted in some of his email correspondence that BCAA competes with tryptophan for uptake not only in the brain but in cells throughout the body. I have been searching for studies confirming that and it seems I found some. They are attached to this email. Long story short - for every unit (mg) of tryptophan you consume, if you consume additional 10 units of BCAA that will significantly delay (or maybe even block) tryptophan absorption in gut, and thus in other cells in the body. If you don't want to consume additional supplements, it looks like plain casein can do the same.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3870690
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6213744

"...Co-administration of a mixture of ten essential amino acids, in proportions simulating casein, with
[3H]tryptophan markedly delayed absorption of tryptophan from the digestive tract."

Adding leucine to casein does NOT result in more inhibition, so eating plain old casein is just good enough. Maybe the tryptophan absorption inhibition is one of the reasons Ray said that casein had a "profound anti-stress effect".
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http://www.raypeatforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=75&t=2888

So maintaining a 10:1 ratio of BCAA to Tryptophan effectively blocks Tryptophan. Since my protein mix is largely micellar casein, which has a ratio of 14:1, it seems I don't need any additional BCAA.

 

[Zachs]

My experience is similar others here. Im 31 now, starting focusing on health and diet around 24, found Paleo, got brainwashed and watched my health deteriorate for the next 6 years or so. At the lowest i had zero ability to orgasm and maintain an erection, i would get easily winded and overheated from trying. When i did ejaculate, it was a dribble and actually hurt. Awesome!

I finally saw the light and went off VLC paleo diet and started eating a mix of Peat and Matt Stones RRARF diet. Saw mixed results but still improvement until i went full on Peat and currently Peat/vegetarian/VLF. Currently i have the best libido of my life, including teenage years. I can maintain a full erection and have full control over ejaculating. Loads are huge and strong, sensativity is at maximum, etc. the biggest difference though between now and low carb days is stamina without going limp. Sometimes it feels as though i took cialis.

Anyway, i think the biggest issue besides low test or a bad test to est balance is bad vascular flow caused by a high fat diet. I saw improvements in this area immediately after switching to a very low fat diet and losing 30-40lb helped even more. I think the cardio vascular inflammation and constriction that fat causes makes getting and maintaining erections very difficult. Also excess animal meat and inflammatory aminos dont help.

I find for optimal libido, my diet is close to a kitivin diet except with added dairy. Base is starch from sweet starchs like banana, sweet potato, squash, and then fruits, mainly tropical, citrus, pineapple, mango, guava. Then diary, mainly milk. The bottom of my diet is seafood and eggs rarely, occasional grains, beans, veggies, coconut products. I use a ton of sea salt, supplement with zinc, selenium, magnesium, a b complex and a tiny bit of t3 a day.

 

[Dizzryda]

Zachs how long did it take until you saw a noticeable increase in libido once you switched to very low fat? Could you possibly describe a typical daily menu?

 

[Zachs]

It took awhile until i saw noticable improvement. The best thing i ever did was go high carb no fat vegan for about a month. That cleared issues up really fast. Adding back in dairy and eggs didnt change anything so im pretty positive that animal flesh and fat was the culprit for me. Took about 2 years of messing with diet to get where i am now but if i knew then what i know now i think it would have taken a lot less time. Like i said, getting to under 10% bf helped a lot too.

An average day i dont eat until a few hours after waking. Ill usually have quite a bit of juice and some coffee in the morning. Around midday ill have some eggs and a quart of milk and maybe a starch or fruit. More juice during the afternoon and then another big meal around 7-9pm. Usually starch based, rice or potatoes with more ff dairy. Ill have a little snack of fruit or ice cream before bed. Average 3-4k calories. I also supplement with magnesium, zinc, selenium, b complex and creatine. A tiny bit of t3 daily also.

 

[andrewdcjr]

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About 140g of protein daily in divided doses. My protein is a mix I make. I ordered some pure whey, pure casein, and pure gelatin powder.

Would did you chose that over dairy & gelatin? Dairy has the calcium too, and without the issues of supplements (I think RP mentions oxidation as a reason to avoid whey powder).

I do drink the skim organic milk too but I find it that I would have to drink 4 quarts of milk to get to the level of 140g of protein. So, I am supplementing for now and as my energy levels and metabolism improve I plan on switching mostly to dairy. Btw, the protein supplements I take come with the original calcium of the milk they were extracted from, so I do get the calcium.
I guess, ease of use and carrying to work are the main reasons for supplementing right now. I do agree with RP that drinking the original milk is better if you are OK with ingesting 4 litres of milk a day, in addition to the 1 litre of OJ and whatever other liquids you plan on drinking.

Any info on the whey and casein used where the calcium remains from the milk?

 

[DaveFoster]

@haidut Do you still think that 20 g BCAA and 8.5 g tyrosine/day is safe? I recall another post wherein you said that you wouldn't go over 3.5 g BCAA and 1.5 g tyrosine.

 

[haidut]

@haidut Do you still think that 20 g BCAA and 8.5 g tyrosine/day is safe? I recall another post wherein you said that you wouldn't go over 3.5 g BCAA and 1.5 g tyrosine.

Actually, the 20g BCAA and 8g tyrosine was done just once as an experiment. All my subsequent posts said BCAA about 3g and tyrosine 1g - 1.5g is better as a dose, taken 2-3 times daily. Finally, if you are eating decent protein, you can just add the BCAA and skin the tyrosine as the protein will have enough phenylalanine/tyrosine to combine with the BCAA and the extra BCAA will just help lower the Tryptophan/LNAA ratio even more.
Keep in mind many of the things I did and posted about were done as an experiment ala Peat, similar to his experiments with high dose pregnenolone. It does not mean this should be done on a regular basis for years to come. I do experiments to confirm/reject some of his findings as well as findings from studies I read. If other people want to experiment as well that is their right but it should not be confused for a substitute for a good diet.
Just my 2c.

 

[haidut]

Any info on the whey and casein used where the calcium remains from the milk?

The casein I was using at the time was a product from VitaminShoppe and it has decent amount of calcium in it. I don't really use protein powders that much any more, so not sure if they still have it. This was done circa 2014, so a lot of things can change in 2 years.

 

[sladerunner69]

It took awhile until i saw noticable improvement. The best thing i ever did was go high carb no fat vegan for about a month. That cleared issues up really fast. Adding back in dairy and eggs didnt change anything so im pretty positive that animal flesh and fat was the culprit for me. Took about 2 years of messing with diet to get where i am now but if i knew then what i know now i think it would have taken a lot less time. Like i said, getting to under 10% bf helped a lot too.

An average day i dont eat until a few hours after waking. Ill usually have quite a bit of juice and some coffee in the morning. Around midday ill have some eggs and a quart of milk and maybe a starch or fruit. More juice during the afternoon and then another big meal around 7-9pm. Usually starch based, rice or potatoes with more ff dairy. Ill have a little snack of fruit or ice cream before bed. Average 3-4k calories. I also supplement with magnesium, zinc, selenium, b complex and creatine. A tiny bit of t3 daily also.

That's awesome your metabolism really seems to be cranking flat out. 3k-4k cals is definitely up there. Why do you take creatine? I tried it once and it made me very agitated.

 

[Maretch]

yeah I've also heard about it but only on the male's body, however I've never heard that it has any effects on the female's body. is it true or not?

 

[DennisX]

@haidut In your post on page 1 July 2, 2013, you were taking 2000mg=3000IU Vit E mixed tocopherols. Given Estroban which only has 100IUs do you still add 2000mgs of Vit E or less?

 

[DawN]

@sladerunner69: I've heard that creatine in a adequately with Mg supplied organism makes DHT skyrocket - I harness this effect for my daily training routine and your balls will thank you also!

 

[haidut]

@haidut In your post on page 1 July 2, 2013, you were taking 2000mg=3000IU Vit E mixed tocopherols. Given Estroban which only has 100IUs do you still add 2000mgs of Vit E or less?

Like I said in that thread and others after it, that was an experiment to test anti-estrogenic effects. I don't take such doses regular or even occasionally any more. The vitamin E in EstroBan is plenty as a daily dose.

 

[PUTFOT]

After about 2 years of almost incessant researching and reading Peat's books, articles, and interviews I nailed (pun intended) a formula that works wonders for me. The explanation is simple - focus on diet and supplements that reduce prolactin, reduce serotonin, reduce estrogen, increase dopamine, increase testosterone, lower cortisol. So, my ingredients are as follows:

1. About 140g of protein daily in divided doses. My protein is a mix I make. I ordered some pure whey, pure casein, and pure gelatin powder. Both the whey and casein I order say on the label they have no added tryptophan and cysteine, which is important because most commercial whey and casein do have those two amino acids added on top of what is naturally present in the protein itself. The label also lists the amount of each amino acid in 100g of protein and both tryptophan and cystein are very low. I make a mixture of about 70g that I take in the morning and evening for a total of 140g. The mixture is as follows: 20g whey, 20g casein, 30g gelatin. I mix that powder dry and then use a tablespoon to ingest it and chase down with some orange juice.
2. Supplements: vitamin E (lowers both prolactin and estrogen), zinc (lowers both prolactin and estrogen), vitamin B6 (lowers prolactin and in old studies from the 1970s seems to be acting as an agonist of dopamine "receptors", BCAA (compete with tryptophan for transport into the brain so taking them lowers serotonin to achieve an effect similar to that magical substance RP mentions called P-chloro-phenylalanine), Magnesium (improves excretion of estrogen from the body). Dosage: 30mg zinc (as zinc gluconate), 5 mg B6 (pyridoxine hydrochloride), 2000mg mixed tocoherols (not a typo - yes I mean 2000mg and not 2000IU), 3500mg BCAA.
The studies on the effects of tocopherol, zinc, and B6 on estrogen, prolactin, etc I already posted in my other posts. Here are the studies on BCAA depleting serotonin, and if combined with phenylalanine and tyrosine (from the 140g of protein) increasing dopamine:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22677921
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11510866
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23249694
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21980992
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7016402
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10779700
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1144587/
http://intl-physiologyonline.physiology ... 5/260.full
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RESULTS: OH MY GOOD HOLLY GAWD OF THIS FAIR WORLD!!!

Out of respect for the women in this forum I won't go into details publicly, but try to remember your high school days and you'll get some idea:)
I know RP mentioned that insatiable desire could be a symptom of high estrogen, but this was different. Not insatiable, rather extremely intense and focused. I can't share more without being graphic...
Not to mention that I did blood tests on myself. Total testosterone was above 1500ng/dl, which is the highest the lab equipment would measure. So mine was higher but they could not determine how high. A level of 900ng/dl is consdiered very high and the upper limit for modern males. I am not sure I'd recommend this state of affairs as something to be maintained long term. I just did it as an experiment that what I learned from Peat and my other sources does work as intended.

Anyways, if you have specific questions just ask.

Can you make a post with this protocol in complete detail including every supplement you were taking, dosages, brands, diet, etc.

 

[haidut]

Can you make a post with this protocol in complete detail including every supplement you were taking, dosages, brands, diet, etc.

Sorry, this was 3 years ago and even if wanted to I could not dig out the exact details. I don't record everything I do down to that level. It was done as a fun experiment at the time, nothing more. I think you have enough information in that post to experiment with. If you use the forum's tag search function you can find posts on "testosterone", "dopamine", "DHT, etc. These will probably have even more specific information on how to affect these variables.

 

[PUTFOT]

Sorry, this was 3 years ago and even if wanted to I could not dig out the exact details. I don't record everything I do down to that level. It was done as a fun experiment at the time, nothing more. I think you have enough information in that post to experiment with. If you use the forum's tag search function you can find posts on "testosterone", "dopamine", "DHT, etc. These will probably have even more specific information on how to affect these variables.

Were you taking anything unnatural at the time of this experiment?

 

[haidut]

Were you taking anything unnatural at the time of this experiment?

Never took anything unnatural, now or before. I have tried some bioidentical DHT but that's it, and even that was done only as experiment. I use androsterone, DHEA and pregnenolone these days if I feel like messing with steroids.

 

[PUTFOT]

Never took anything unnatural, now or before. I have tried some bioidentical DHT but that's it, and even that was done only as experiment. I use androsterone, DHEA and pregnenolone these days if I feel like messing with steroids.

I meant any bioidentical supplements.