Sexuality And Libido Through A Peat Prism

[jyb]

About 140g of protein daily in divided doses. My protein is a mix I make. I ordered some pure whey, pure casein, and pure gelatin powder.

Would did you chose that over dairy & gelatin? Dairy has the calcium too, and without the issues of supplements (I think RP mentions oxidation as a reason to avoid whey powder).

 

[haidut]

About 140g of protein daily in divided doses. My protein is a mix I make. I ordered some pure whey, pure casein, and pure gelatin powder.

Would did you chose that over dairy & gelatin? Dairy has the calcium too, and without the issues of supplements (I think RP mentions oxidation as a reason to avoid whey powder).

I do drink the skim organic milk too but I find it that I would have to drink 4 quarts of milk to get to the level of 140g of protein. So, I am supplementing for now and as my energy levels and metabolism improve I plan on switching mostly to dairy. Btw, the protein supplements I take come with the original calcium of the milk they were extracted from, so I do get the calcium.
I guess, ease of use and carrying to work are the main reasons for supplementing right now. I do agree with RP that drinking the original milk is better if you are OK with ingesting 4 litres of milk a day, in addition to the 1 litre of OJ and whatever other liquids you plan on drinking.

 

[jyb]

I do agree with RP that drinking the original milk is better if you are OK with ingesting 4 litres of milk a day, in addition to the 1 litre of OJ and whatever other liquids you plan on drinking.

It's not so bad (2 quarts of milk + a bit of cheese + gelatin) will get you easily 100-140, although 140 might require a bit more. But I agree that it's difficult while at work.

On that note, I wonder whether milk powder might do. Or letting milk boil to evaporate some liquid. The latter seems a bit tedious, though.

 

[charlie]

haidut, what is your BCAA and Zinc source if you do not mind me asking?

And with the B6 you do not have any problems with excess dreaming?

 

[j.]

If you don't mind sharing, what's your age?

 

[Jenn]

Cheese = milk with less water.

-Jenn

 

[kiran]

Cheese = milk with less water.

-Jenn

Cheese = milk with less water, lactose and more endotoxin ;p

 

[Jenn]

The lactose is removed with the whey. There is no more endotoxin in the cheese than in the milk...unless you age it. Make your own.

Whey is excellent for fertilizer. I wouldn't recommend it for anything else.

 

[haidut]

haidut, what is your BCAA and Zinc source if you do not mind me asking?

And with the B6 you do not have any problems with excess dreaming?

I get my BCAA from GNC. I get the powder GNC brand since it claims to have no additives. The ideal dosage for reducing serotonin (according to one of the studies) is 268mg/kg for rat. For humans divide that dose by about 7 and you get the mg/kg dose for you.
Back in the day I was taking high doses vitamin B6, 100mg at least and I was getting bad dreams like I used to get from melatonin. Then I read one of Peat's articles that says that "10mg of B6 is a big dose". Peat recommends a dosage similar to DHEA - 5mg-10mg. So, I found a B complex supplement from my local CVS that has 5mg of B6 in it and I take one pill. I think Peat is right about that one. Even when taking just the B complex I feel a "surge". So, the 5mg dosage seems to be working for me.

 

[haidut]

If you don't mind sharing, what's your age?

I am 36, male. A lot of my friends in their 30s and 40s are taking Viagra and other such drugs even though they clearly have a libido problem and not a blood flow problem. Several of them managed to stop. One of them was infertile, and after taking vitamin E for 2 months (wife not on any fertility drugs) now has twins!

 

[haidut]

haidut, what is your BCAA and Zinc source if you do not mind me asking?

And with the B6 you do not have any problems with excess dreaming?

I get my BCAA from GNC. I get the powder GNC brand since it claims to have no additives. The ideal dosage for reducing serotonin (according to one of the studies) is 268mg/kg for rat. For humans divide that dose by about 7 and you get the mg/kg dose for you.
Back in the day I was taking high doses vitamin B6, 100mg at least and I was getting bad dreams like I used to get from melatonin. Then I read one of Peat's articles that says that "10mg of B6 is a big dose". Peat recommends a dosage similar to DHEA - 5mg-10mg. So, I found a B complex supplement from my local CVS that has 5mg of B6 in it and I take one pill. I think Peat is right about that one. Even when taking just the B complex I feel a "surge". So, the 5mg dosage seems to be working for me.

Sorry, forgot - zinc is also from GNC. I get a bottle of zinc gluconate (this is the form RP recommended), each pill is 30mg and the bottle has 100 pills. It costs $4.

 

[charlie]

Thank you, haidut!

 

[tropicaldaze]

I'm 63, married and my libido went south about three years ago. Also have untreatable bipolar illness and poor sleep, also for about three years. In fact, just diagnosed with mild sleep apnea.

Have been reading RP's web site for several years but couldn't grasp his ideas until this past year. Tried testosterone injections this summer(saw a urologist)(test cypionate)and it only worked for about a week. After reading some articles, today, on RP's site and lurking, here, going to really lean in to his recommendations, without, hopefully, jacking myself into a serious manic episode. On desiccated thyroid, 1/4 grain, twice a day, because my TSH was 2.96. After 6 weeks, down to 1.7 but needs to be much lower. Love cheese, oj, fruit, and soda with real sugar.(Whole Foods).

It's not like my wife has a raging libido but for me, not having a libido makes me feel dead and more depressed about life than I already am. RP doesn't seem to support testosterone replacement and I understand his view is to get ones metabolism back to where it was when we were young and everything will begin working properly. I've also read many articles by doctors and patients on the many benefits of T replacement. Haidut, would give anything for my total T to be 1500 with a corresponding high free T and high DHT. I'd be 18 again!

 

[bradley]

Haidut, how much do you weigh? That's such a high dose of Vit E!

haidut, what is your BCAA and Zinc source if you do not mind me asking?

And with the B6 you do not have any problems with excess dreaming?

I get my BCAA from GNC. I get the powder GNC brand since it claims to have no additives. The ideal dosage for reducing serotonin (according to one of the studies) is 268mg/kg for rat. For humans divide that dose by about 7 and you get the mg/kg dose for you.
Back in the day I was taking high doses vitamin B6, 100mg at least and I was getting bad dreams like I used to get from melatonin. Then I read one of Peat's articles that says that "10mg of B6 is a big dose". Peat recommends a dosage similar to DHEA - 5mg-10mg. So, I found a B complex supplement from my local CVS that has 5mg of B6 in it and I take one pill. I think Peat is right about that one. Even when taking just the B complex I feel a "surge". So, the 5mg dosage seems to be working for me.

Sorry, forgot - zinc is also from GNC. I get a bottle of zinc gluconate (this is the form RP recommended), each pill is 30mg and the bottle has 100 pills. It costs $4.

 

[unexamined_whimsy]

I'm 63, married and my libido went south about three years ago. Also have untreatable bipolar illness and poor sleep, also for about three years. In fact, just diagnosed with mild sleep apnea.

Have been reading RP's web site for several years but couldn't grasp his ideas until this past year. Tried testosterone injections this summer(saw a urologist)(test cypionate)and it only worked for about a week. After reading some articles, today, on RP's site and lurking, here, going to really lean in to his recommendations, without, hopefully, jacking myself into a serious manic episode. On desiccated thyroid, 1/4 grain, twice a day, because my TSH was 2.96. After 6 weeks, down to 1.7 but needs to be much lower. Love cheese, oj, fruit, and soda with real sugar.(Whole Foods).

It's not like my wife has a raging libido but for me, not having a libido makes me feel dead and more depressed about life than I already am. RP doesn't seem to support testosterone replacement and I understand his view is to get ones metabolism back to where it was when we were young and everything will begin working properly. I've also read many articles by doctors and patients on the many benefits of T replacement. Haidut, would give anything for my total T to be 1500 with a corresponding high free T and high DHT. I'd be 18 again!

Total Testosterone is something that responds well to thyroid replacement. Seeing your age group , I think 1/2 grain of thyroid /day is pretty little if you are at least normal-sized. Slowly raising thyroid to about 2 grains will increase your testosterone level if your testicular response is normal. I think it would be a good idea at the moment to measure your testosterone and estrogen and keep track of how these respond with thyroid supplementation.

 

[fyo]

Have been reading RP's web site for several years but couldn't grasp his ideas until this past year. Tried testosterone injections this summer(saw a urologist)(test cypionate)and it only worked for about a week. After reading some articles, today, on RP's site and lurking, here, going to really lean in to his recommendations, without, hopefully, jacking myself into a serious manic episode. On desiccated thyroid, 1/4 grain, twice a day, because my TSH was 2.96. After 6 weeks, down to 1.7 but needs to be much lower. Love cheese, oj, fruit, and soda with real sugar.(Whole Foods).

It's not like my wife has a raging libido but for me, not having a libido makes me feel dead and more depressed about life than I already am. RP doesn't seem to support testosterone replacement and I understand his view is to get ones metabolism back to where it was when we were young and everything will begin working properly. I've also read many articles by doctors and patients on the many benefits of T replacement. Haidut, would give anything for my total T to be 1500 with a corresponding high free T and high DHT. I'd be 18 again!

What about taking pregnenolone, which could then be converted into testosterone as needed?

 

[tropicaldaze]

My primary likes to take it low and slow. I had him at my previous HMO and when he went into private practice and I went on Medicare(on disability)he took my new insurance(Aetna). I asked my urologist for a new panel of tests(total, free T, DHT, FSH, LH, SHBG and TSH). Estradiol is 17pg but I think it's low because my T is low(we'll see). Not enough to increase E2, I suspect. Urologist would no doubt want me back on testosterone therapy if its gone lower(last total T was 360). And I do feel weak/tired. I've talked with men in their 60/ 70s who saw their libidos and energy go through the roof on T therapy and there are men for whom it wasn't the magic pill. More questions than answers but I don't want to close the door on any possibility and Ray Peat's dietary recommendations are part of my program.

@fyo

Tried pregnenolone on and off over the past few years, in doses from 10mg to 50mg daily, including transdermal, and it either worsened my depression or made me irritable, hyper and hypersexual. Like testosterone, some people have a great response and others don't. Maybe a tiny dose(5mg or less)would be beneficial. I'll bring that up with my urologist, since he practices anti-aging medicine.

 

[unexamined_whimsy]

Have been reading RP's web site for several years but couldn't grasp his ideas until this past year. Tried testosterone injections this summer(saw a urologist)(test cypionate)and it only worked for about a week. After reading some articles, today, on RP's site and lurking, here, going to really lean in to his recommendations, without, hopefully, jacking myself into a serious manic episode. On desiccated thyroid, 1/4 grain, twice a day, because my TSH was 2.96. After 6 weeks, down to 1.7 but needs to be much lower. Love cheese, oj, fruit, and soda with real sugar.(Whole Foods).

It's not like my wife has a raging libido but for me, not having a libido makes me feel dead and more depressed about life than I already am. RP doesn't seem to support testosterone replacement and I understand his view is to get ones metabolism back to where it was when we were young and everything will begin working properly. I've also read many articles by doctors and patients on the many benefits of T replacement. Haidut, would give anything for my total T to be 1500 with a corresponding high free T and high DHT. I'd be 18 again!

What about taking pregnenolone, which could then be converted into testosterone as needed?

But then that begs the question: why not just consume extra cholesterol and be done with it? Tis true that for the lucky few pregnenolone is all they need to normalize their hormones. But in practice, pregnenolone only seldom has the desired effect. Its downstream effects depend very much on the prevailing metabolic rate.

If you want to dabble with pregnenolone it's wise to take just as much as Peat's recommendation for DHEA, i.e., < 5mg/day and observe its effects.

 

[north]

haidut:
interesting!
how did u come to the conclusion to use that much vit e?
and how was your testosterone before all this? :)

 

[haidut]

Haidut, how much do you weigh? That's such a high dose of Vit E!

haidut, what is your BCAA and Zinc source if you do not mind me asking?

And with the B6 you do not have any problems with excess dreaming?

I get my BCAA from GNC. I get the powder GNC brand since it claims to have no additives. The ideal dosage for reducing serotonin (according to one of the studies) is 268mg/kg for rat. For humans divide that dose by about 7 and you get the mg/kg dose for you.
Back in the day I was taking high doses vitamin B6, 100mg at least and I was getting bad dreams like I used to get from melatonin. Then I read one of Peat's articles that says that "10mg of B6 is a big dose". Peat recommends a dosage similar to DHEA - 5mg-10mg. So, I found a B complex supplement from my local CVS that has 5mg of B6 in it and I take one pill. I think Peat is right about that one. Even when taking just the B complex I feel a "surge". So, the 5mg dosage seems to be working for me.

Sorry, forgot - zinc is also from GNC. I get a bottle of zinc gluconate (this is the form RP recommended), each pill is 30mg and the bottle has 100 pills. It costs $4.

I weigh 90kg and I am 5'10''. Mostly muscle, but can drop some extra fat I accumulated in the winter. The vitamin E dosage is based on the study, and if you compare it to the Shute brothers giving people 5,000mg-6,000mg per day it seems rather "light"
Look at my thread about vitamin E being aromatase inhibitor and you'll see the dose is pretty similar, actually higher.