Luann
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"complete degeneracy" is a false option in my part of the US, so no need to contrast this shadow self with your "spiritual self". your shadow self would starve for lack of options, or simply listen to reason once he got into a good relationship.
Idk where some of you all live, but it must be very different from where I live
cause where I live, people are having LESS sex and less varied sex than in past. as life gets more expensive, the more people hunker down into monogamy because they're lucky to have gf / bf / spouse and they can't risk blowing that up.
the funny thing is I know young men who are of the age and have the looks, status, situational awareness to be taking part in this "degeneracy" you describe but as a rule they are not! I can think of at least four guys who I would think have many female options but are either in a serious relationship... or getting to know a couple of women. and the latter, as far as I know, are havin a mutually good time with these women, with long talks, having coffee or meals together, etc. it's not hookup culture AND these men i speak of are all like 24 or 25. and already their shadow self has run out of steam or of options. within a lifespan of 75 eyars or so that's nothing.
even when one of you gave an example of being more ambivalent about sex, it was just "more than one woman at once, didn't care about her feelings, did it with a married woman for the ego boost". Sorry but that is not total degeneracy.
TLDR, sexual freedom and hook-up culture have not ruined the west... cause they don't really exist here at least in my part of the woods
spoiler, I'm not a feminist. I'm a Neither.
edit: please excuse the rough tone here I respect the opinions of other posters and would like to offer mine as well. thanks for reading
Idk where some of you all live, but it must be very different from where I live
cause where I live, people are having LESS sex and less varied sex than in past. as life gets more expensive, the more people hunker down into monogamy because they're lucky to have gf / bf / spouse and they can't risk blowing that up.
the funny thing is I know young men who are of the age and have the looks, status, situational awareness to be taking part in this "degeneracy" you describe but as a rule they are not! I can think of at least four guys who I would think have many female options but are either in a serious relationship... or getting to know a couple of women. and the latter, as far as I know, are havin a mutually good time with these women, with long talks, having coffee or meals together, etc. it's not hookup culture AND these men i speak of are all like 24 or 25. and already their shadow self has run out of steam or of options. within a lifespan of 75 eyars or so that's nothing.
even when one of you gave an example of being more ambivalent about sex, it was just "more than one woman at once, didn't care about her feelings, did it with a married woman for the ego boost". Sorry but that is not total degeneracy.
TLDR, sexual freedom and hook-up culture have not ruined the west... cause they don't really exist here at least in my part of the woods
spoiler, I'm not a feminist. I'm a Neither.
edit: please excuse the rough tone here I respect the opinions of other posters and would like to offer mine as well. thanks for reading