SonOfEurope
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And eat more, is your boyfriend/husband being supportive? The best therapy is company.
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Any thoughts on dosage of Benadryl? Or the trazodone if I need something stronger until I get a better protocol going?I'd go for benadryl... But nothing pharmaceutical would knock you out like 7.5 mg (a quarter tablet) of Mirtazapine...
In doses over 15mg Mirtazapine is somewhat stimulating but below 10mg it knocks people out like a good left hook.... It makes you really hungry and improves your appetite and insulin sensitivity if you cycle it well.
(I'm on it.)
Bump bump bump.
I can’t wait until I’m able to eat more! That’s one of the things that made me curious to try cyproheptadine. And yes, company is absolutely the best medicine, I’m calling that in too!And eat more, is your boyfriend/husband being supportive? The best therapy is company.
Looking forward to finding out more and trying it, I’ll let you know how it goes. Ready for some relief!I am also on 34mg progesterone daily, divided morning and evening.
Has helped me with the withdrawal from a bad medication I was on.
There is no substance as rejuvenating and sedating and anesthetic as Progesterone, read Peat's Articles on it.... Even after 2 years of 32/34 mg daily I occasionally take 150-180mg after lunch to relax...
I relax hard,
Wake up 6 hours afterwards not remembering a thing.
The strongest natural gaba angonist.
As a man I cannot take more than 35 or 40mg daily as its the natural female hormone (in higher dose) and I must balance it out with Pregnenolone and DHEA, but a woman can take as much as she likes during the luteal phase and taker down the next half of the cycle, in the massive quantities women are supposed to produce mid luteal phase it puts estrogen out into circulation, opposes androgens and regenerates the damages done by tissue estrogen in the female body.
I read you're 33... So your Estrogen is rising and it's balance with P4 is not what it used to be at 18 or 19.
This unbalance between Estrogen and Progesterone L, gradually favouring estrogen and the adrenal androgens is linear to ageing in all living beings , read "Progesterone Deceptions " by peat.
This problem you're having will soon be solved but you must be careful not to get trapped in the medical establishment's pharmaceutical traps and not let it leave lasting damage.
My advice is to get a bottle of Progest-e or progestene as soon as you can.
Keep us updated.
Any thoughts on dosage of Benadryl? Or the trazodone if I need something stronger until I get a better protocol going?
Without being able to speak directly to my doctor, but just short notes through her assistant, she suggested 5htp or to write me a prescription for ambien in my request for emergency sleep aide. I cannot yet talk to her about her reasoning for either of these options, but don’t feel comfortable trying either of those blindly, so I am trying to find out a bit more in the meantime.
I’m a bit confused about how 5htp works, or is supposed to work. I get the sense it may be not well understood or may do different things in different bodies? I gather some people have increased anxiety, so there is the potential for it to have a negative impact on whatever neurotransmitter dynamics are at play?
What about ambien? Can anyone help me understand how this is intended to affect the system and what the potential risks/downsides are?
In the past four nights I have actually had two nights where I slept through most of the night. But it is the middle of the night and the neurotransmitter phenomenon is worse than ever. The most wired I have felt, not sleepy at all, just wide awake and wired. I usually try to keep coaxing my system toward sleep, but that’s not working.
In a way it sort of feels good, there’s an aliveness in my belly that I wasn’t feeling before, is that an effect of serotonin? Is that why it’s mistaken as the happy hormone? It also feels less bloated and less inflamed, but maybe that’s thanks to aspirin, but I don’t think totally because I am only taking one tablet a day max right before bed or when I wake up in the night. In the evening, it’s like I’m kind of in a glow, I don’t feel so poorly, whereas until recently I was dragging and feeling really poorly. I fall asleep pretty early and easily, pretty much as soon as it gets dark, but then I’m wide awake an hour or less later. It doesn’t always happen, but it did tonight, that when I wake up after initially falling to sleep, I have an urgent bowel movement. This happened a few times when I was trying to make dairy work weeks back.
Yesterday with lunch I introduced a couple of tablespoons of unrefined cane sugar. For a few hours there was noticeable increased activity and movement in my gut. It didn’t feel negative, and there wasn’t an increase in negative symptoms, but I did have an appetite increase and want to drink orange juice pretty soon after. It was a very pronounced effect that I don’t know how to interpret but I think had to be connected to cane sugar. It felt at least partially pro-metabolic, but obviously there’s more at play. Could more sugar be simultaneously supporting metabolism and increasing endotoxin due to incomplete digestion/absorption?
I also had a small bite of cottage cheese with lunch, which I’ve done once or twice in the past few days, I think only on the days that led to really poor sleep, but I missed it in my notes so I’m not sure, but I know there were no immediate noticeable effects the other times. It’s just crazy that such small quantities of things could have such dramatic results! And it’s so hard to isolate variables.
Also I took an aspirin in water with bicarbonate when I woke up tonight and shortly after had a metallic taste at the back of my throat that tasted like blood, so I’m taking that as a sign I need to back off the aspirin, which I’ve only been doing 1 tablet a day.
Suggestions? Insights? Hints? Intuitions?
What can I do in the moment to mitigate damage? I know psychologically trying to sleep when I can’t adds stress, but anything I can do physically?
I’ve been sifting through threads in the forum looking for hints and trying to puzzle bits together. I saw the suggestion in several insomnia threads to sleep with the light on. I assume that is to reduce that stress of darkness, and I am curious to understand more about how that would work. I have followed the work of Jack Kruse and he is big on protecting darkness in the circadian cycle, so I am curious what the implications of being in light at night would be short term and long term.
Also I am relying on orange juice increasingly for nourishment. I have seen in a few places that people mix baking soda into acidic juices to cut the acidity. Why might the acidity be a problem, isn’t the stomach already very acidic?
I took half a tab of trazodone last night (25mg), woke up after an hour or less of sleep, took the other half, and was wide awake most of the night. I felt a little heavy/weak for a bit from taking it, but the neurotransmitter imbalance in my body is apparently extreme enough that it barely made a dent in it.Yes,
Benadryl maxes out at 75 to 80 mg for that purpose.
And Tradozone at 100mg in one sitting is best.
Take them 30 minutes before or after a carb-rich meal to maximize their effect.
That’s was so frustrating! I cannot find any differences between the nights that I sleep better and the ones that I don’t. I’ve been studying my notes to try to figure it out and I really can’t tell. For several days it was alternating... maybe it’s just an exhaustion cycle and not dependent on any of the food/supplement/activity variables.Important question:
Those two nights that you almost made it through (or at least got a solid 3 hours straight I'm assuming) - Those days... What did you eat, what did you do... Which medications did you take - give us a replica of that day in your mind.
I am also on 34mg progesterone daily, divided morning and evening.
Has helped me with the withdrawal from a bad medication I was on.
There is no substance as rejuvenating and sedating and anesthetic as Progesterone, read Peat's Articles on it.... Even after 2 years of 32/34 mg daily I occasionally take 150-180mg after lunch to relax...
I relax hard,
Wake up 6 hours afterwards not remembering a thing.
The strongest natural gaba angonist.
As a man I cannot take more than 35 or 40mg daily as its the natural female hormone (in higher dose) and I must balance it out with Pregnenolone and DHEA, but a woman can take as much as she likes during the luteal phase and taker down the next half of the cycle, in the massive quantities women are supposed to produce mid luteal phase it puts estrogen out into circulation, opposes androgens and regenerates the damages done by tissue estrogen in the female body.
I read you're 33... So your Estrogen is rising and it's balance with P4 is not what it used to be at 18 or 19.
This unbalance between Estrogen and Progesterone L, gradually favouring estrogen and the adrenal androgens is linear to ageing in all living beings , read "Progesterone Deceptions " by peat.
This problem you're having will soon be solved but you must be careful not to get trapped in the medical establishment's pharmaceutical traps and not let it leave lasting damage.
My advice is to get a bottle of Progest-e or progestene as soon as you can.
Keep us updated.
To confirm you take 34mg, not 3.4mg, daily?! Is this oral or topical? How much pregnenolone and DHEA do you take to balance it out?
I took half a tab of trazodone last night (25mg), woke up after an hour or less of sleep, took the other half, and was wide awake most of the night. I felt a little heavy/weak for a bit from taking it, but the neurotransmitter imbalance in my body is apparently extreme enough that it barely made a dent in it.
Is mirtazapine stronger or gentler than trazodone? I might be able to get my Medicaid doctor to call something else in today if I tell her it didn’t work. She wouldn’t call in cyproheptadine when I requested that because she said it would make the GI stuff worse. If you needed an emergency crutch for a week what would you request? Or should I try more of either the Benadryl or trazodone?
When is the best time of day to take niacinimide?Jesilyn I’ve been in the same boat with 1 hour of sleep and the misery. I think insomnia can be triggered by different things but for me it was triggered by methylated B-vitamins with folate. I noticed eating leafy greens for dinner would make the insomnia more intense. This misery went on for over a year until I finally took niacinimide for over a week and it resolved the insomnia and somehow reset everything.
I first took 250mg but it induced tremendous hunger so I cut back to 50mg per meal as Ray Peat suggests. I also use progesterone in the morning every now and then and it induces sleep pressure at night (that sudden sleepy feeling and urge to want to go to sleep). I also found occassional use of thiamine HCL in the morning to help with sleep.
A word of caution of drastic dietary changes (been there done that): it can really throw your nutrition off-balance and drag you deeper into a rabbit hole. Use an app like chronometer to see if your coming up short in any kind of nutrition. Also don’t take huge amounts of raw sugar or sweets because it’ll just cause weight gain and deplete your nutrients (glycolysis metabolism requires many nutrients and co-factors). It’ll feel good at first but then you’ll start to lose the feeling and gain weight. Stick to whole foods.
Starches are hard to digest I know, I’ve found coffee helps with gut metabolism with harder to digest meals.
Taking a bit of raw organic honey first thing in the morning is sufficient for probiotics [Detection and identification of a novel lactic acid bacterial flora within the honey stomach of the honeybee Apis mellifera - PubMed]. Humans have been doing this for thousands of years and I hypothesize bee crops have the right probiotic for handling glucose/fructose and keeping a high metabolism. A bit of coconut oil between meals to kill off what’s in the upper intestines.
When is the best time of day to take niacinimide?
So dinner time is appropriate? Wondering if I should try that tonight. I can’t get ahold of any other sleep meds until next week. A friend brought me RSO tincture last night and I still didn’t sleep. Does niacinimide help with sleep right away or is it more something that builds? And what about progesterone. Will that have to build before it starts helping with sleep or is it immediate?Any time of day when you don't mind taking a nap, and after a carb-based meal.
So dinner time is appropriate? Wondering if I should try that tonight. I can’t get ahold of any other sleep meds until next week. A friend brought me RSO tincture last night and I still didn’t sleep. Does niacinimide help with sleep right away or is it more something that builds? And what about progesterone. Will that have to build before it starts helping with sleep or is it immediate?
Yes I can definitely feel how it reduces inflammation although it hasn’t made me sleep. I’m taking a break because I think I may have gotten some stomach bleeding.did you try aspirin?
you might have some brain inflammation going on.
It puts me to sleep very effectively, and the sleep is very refreshing after the occasional aspirin.
I definitely determined that the MegaSpore increases the sleeplessness, at least at this point in my current state of deterioration... maybe it is triggering too much of immune response? Or maybe it it extra endotoxin due to die off? I took a day off and slept better, but now after 2 days of not taking it I still slept poorly. The feeling and symptoms definitely match what I've heard and read about the excess endotoxin and serotonin, so I am intrigued by what I've gathered about cyproheptadine from this forum, but also hesitant because it sounds like some people have negative or mixed responses to it. My system is so sensitive at this point, I'd likely be one of those... going to ask my naturopath about it next time I get a chance. Any other rescue interventions anyone can think of or had success with?