Semen Retention is a Powerful Metabolic Enhancer

[TheSir]

interesting mate whered you get this chart

The original table was from a wikipedia article on sex hormones and the texts were added by me.

 

[Dr. B]

When you realize how focused you were on ejaculating and break that cycle, you're going to feel a lot better from just that. If you're having meaningful sex with a partner, you will feel just as healthy,vital, etc.

I've gone up to 48 days and quite a few 30+ day periods with ejaculating.

so youre saying its not about physical retention?
48 days of no fap or no ejaculation?

 

[Beastmode]

so youre saying its not about physical retention?
48 days of no fap or no ejaculation?

Not exactly. Depending on one's health, I'm sure retention might be beneficial. I notice when I do it now (not being hypothyroid anymore) compared to when I was really hypothyroid, the psychological benefits that I seemed to have than are already present now with regular ejaculations.

No nothing! No porn, sex, ejaculating, etc. That was my longest and first time attempting this. I realized I had some relationship stuff/issues around sex and I committed to the process until I could break free from it.

 

[Beastmode]

Good on you for starting on that early. My point is that someone who feels constant urges due to estrogen dominance should sort their hormone issues out before starting retention.

I think you're right @Summer. We go to extremes sometimes when we're not committed to the process of consistently improving our health first thinking it will help.

 

[Chophouse360]

what is edging?

It’s basically when you stop right before you are about to cum

 

[Dr. B]

Not exactly. Depending on one's health, I'm sure retention might be beneficial. I notice when I do it now (not being hypothyroid anymore) compared to when I was really hypothyroid, the psychological benefits that I seemed to have than are already present now with regular ejaculations.

No nothing! No porn, sex, ejaculating, etc. That was my longest and first time attempting this. I realized I had some relationship stuff/issues around sex and I committed to the process until I could break free from it.

yeah mate so the semen retention is especially needed in poor metabolic states? with good metabolism the benefits might be minimal?
what about physical benefits
did you have wet dreams
I have retained for 7 months before mate!
its odd though apparently mainstream medicine thought masturbations very harmful prior to like 1930s... but Ray doesnt think its any more harmful than sex which is likely true at least physically speaking...

 

[Beastmode]

yeah mate so the semen retention is especially needed in poor metabolic states? with good metabolism the benefits might be minimal?
what about physical benefits
did you have wet dreams
I have retained for 7 months before mate!
its odd though apparently mainstream medicine thought masturbations very harmful prior to like 1930s... but Ray doesnt think its any more harmful than sex which is likely true at least physically speaking...

I think a good test is how you feel after ejaculation on whether it's something that might be worth limiting for a while. For me I feel great afterward and just as confident in doing my daily tasks (i.e- workout, learn, etc.) However, that wasn't always the case, hence when I was hypothyroid.

Definitely a lot of intense erotic dreams. I still get them quite often.

7 months? For health purposes or more of a mental challenge?

Overall, it seems like retention can be an aspect of one's journey, maybe even used as a metric (i.e- How one feels afterward, etc.)

 

[Dr. B]

I think a good test is how you feel after ejaculation on whether it's something that might be worth limiting for a while. For me I feel great afterward and just as confident in doing my daily tasks (i.e- workout, learn, etc.) However, that wasn't always the case, hence when I was hypothyroid.

Definitely a lot of intense erotic dreams. I still get them quite often.

7 months? For health purposes or more of a mental challenge?

Overall, it seems like retention can be an aspect of one's journey, maybe even used as a metric (i.e- How one feels afterward, etc.)

is ejaculation same for you whether masturbation or sex or wetdream?
i wanted to see the benefits etc...
its possible to do touch free orgasms... its odd how it works idk...

 

[mariantos]

is ejaculation same for you whether masturbation or sex or wetdream?
i wanted to see the benefits etc...
its possible to do touch free orgasms... its odd how it works idk...

I felt obvious differences between masturbation, sex and wet dreams.

The quality of orgasm obtained from sex was clearly superior to that obtained through masturbation, at least in my case. All the senses were on alert, increased sexual desire, adrenaline rushes, involuntary muscle spasms, the smell released in the atmosphere, much more intense arousal. All this and not only contribute to a superior orgasm.


The strange thing is that I had a lot of wet dreams and I still have, now less since I got sick. The dream orgasms I experienced were a little more intense than a sex match, I have no natural explanation for that yet, but the most pleasant and intense thing I felt was the flight in a dream. Twice I dreamed I was flying, that's all. Nothing, neither the real sex, nor the dream, no other sensation I experienced compares with the magnitude of the one felt during the dream flight.

Therefore, the orgasm obtained after masturbation was bland.

Anyway many people experience much greater sexual satisfaction when they masturbate, more than when they have sex with their partner or girl/woman at that time. I know cases and stories right from their mouths.

There are many reasons, and one of them is that there is no tension for them. Sex can be a problem for the most inhibited unfortunately, even after repeated experiences. During masturbation, no one worries about how he looks or if he is good in bed and manages or not to satisfy his partner/girl/woman.


So I think there are differences between us in how we experience orgasm and it is not one standard for everyone.

As for abstinence from masturbation, extraordinarily beneficial.

 

[Dr. B]

I felt obvious differences between masturbation, sex and wet dreams.

The quality of orgasm obtained from sex was clearly superior to that obtained through masturbation, at least in my case. All the senses were on alert, increased sexual desire, adrenaline rushes, involuntary muscle spasms, the smell released in the atmosphere, much more intense arousal. All this and not only contribute to a superior orgasm.


The strange thing is that I had a lot of wet dreams and I still have, now less since I got sick. The dream orgasms I experienced were a little more intense than a sex match, I have no natural explanation for that yet, but the most pleasant and intense thing I felt was the flight in a dream. Twice I dreamed I was flying, that's all. Nothing, neither the real sex, nor the dream, no other sensation I experienced compares with the magnitude of the one felt during the dream flight.

Therefore, the orgasm obtained after masturbation was bland.

Anyway many people experience much greater sexual satisfaction when they masturbate, more than when they have sex with their partner or girl/woman at that time. I know cases and stories right from their mouths.

There are many reasons, and one of them is that there is no tension for them. Sex can be a problem for the most inhibited unfortunately, even after repeated experiences. During masturbation, no one worries about how he looks or if he is good in bed and manages or not to satisfy his partner/girl/woman.


So I think there are differences between us in how we experience orgasm and it is not one standard for everyone.

As for abstinence from masturbation, extraordinarily beneficial.

what do you mean by dream flight? are you saying wetdreams are more intense, but the most intense experience youve had was flying in a dream? was that also a wetdream, or just the sensation of flying?

but do you think abstinence from masturbation would provide physical benefits if you still continue ejculation through sex or wetdreams? what about if you then have ejaculation through fleshlights, or shower water, or involuntarily just while sitting or standing or laying etc...

the old greek athletes and some old boxers would abstain from all forms of ejaculation. greek athletes apparently did it permanently until they were older men, and boxers did it sometimes 3 weeks or 6 weeks or etc

moreover, there is no doubt true semen retention is much more difficult than any other tasks. more difficult than abstaining from sex only or from masturbation only, or porn only... from what ive seen the physical benefits mostly come from semen retention. there's psychological benefits that can be gained from not masturbating or watching porn... but i doubt porn really has that big an effect more than being a waste of time... the impact of porn or violent movies/video games is likely minimal in the grand scheme of things...

 

[Beastmode]

is ejaculation same for you whether masturbation or sex or wetdream?
i wanted to see the benefits etc...
its possible to do touch free orgasms... its odd how it works idk...

All different in my experience. Doing it with my wife adds an entire different spectrum of emotions via our connection during that time.

 

[mariantos]

what do you mean by dream flight? are you saying wetdreams are more intense, but the most intense experience youve had was flying in a dream? was that also a wetdream, or just the sensation of flying?

but do you think abstinence from masturbation would provide physical benefits if you still continue ejculation through sex or wetdreams? what about if you then have ejaculation through fleshlights, or shower water, or involuntarily just while sitting or standing or laying etc...

the old greek athletes and some old boxers would abstain from all forms of ejaculation. greek athletes apparently did it permanently until they were older men, and boxers did it sometimes 3 weeks or 6 weeks or etc

moreover, there is no doubt true semen retention is much more difficult than any other tasks. more difficult than abstaining from sex only or from masturbation only, or porn only... from what ive seen the physical benefits mostly come from semen retention. there's psychological benefits that can be gained from not masturbating or watching porn... but i doubt porn really has that big an effect more than being a waste of time... the impact of porn or violent movies/video games is likely minimal in the grand scheme of things...

I was referring to the most intense sensation I have ever experienced and more pleasant, namely to fly, unfortunately only in a dream I could experience it and only twice in almost 30 years.

Wet dreams I had I think about 40 such experiences, also dry dreams or without ejaculation because I stopped . I have used alcohol and banned substances in my past, nothing comes close to that feeling(dream flight) , on the second place are wet dreams, III place sex in reality and the next places are reserved for the states felt after consuming other substances. This is my top depending on the sensations I had and the pleasure felt in different circumstances.

Of course, you will benefit fully, the benefits of a physical nature come together with those of a mental and emotional nature.There is nothing wrong with losing semen spontaneously when the body needs to adjust or during dreams, it does not affect you at all. You rarely have wet dreams, the body does not lose or eliminate semen until it knows it has to do it, it is very natural. Instead, a person who masturbates does it weekly or several times a week or there are even cases several times a day and from the beginning the next day and so on. These things are not normal/natural and drastically damage the general health of the individual.

Yes, I know about the practices of athletes, there are several branches of sport in which abstinence is practiced for certain periods of time for maximum performance, including those specified by you.

I want to contradict you about the impact of movies, video games, porn movies, today's some kind of music and more, on the psyche and the emotional. You are young now and I saw that you are a very curious person, eager to discover as many as possible, given the fact that you ask a lot of questions. I guarantee that over time you will discover the predominantly negative effects of consuming the materials mentioned above.

 

[WanderingTaoist]

Have you tried this?
View attachment 26009

No, you ?

 

[Dr. B]

I was referring to the most intense sensation I have ever experienced and more pleasant, namely to fly, unfortunately only in a dream I could experience it and only twice in almost 30 years.

Wet dreams I had I think about 40 such experiences, also dry dreams or without ejaculation because I stopped . I have used alcohol and banned substances in my past, nothing comes close to that feeling(dream flight) , on the second place are wet dreams, III place sex in reality and the next places are reserved for the states felt after consuming other substances. This is my top depending on the sensations I had and the pleasure felt in different circumstances.

Of course, you will benefit fully, the benefits of a physical nature come together with those of a mental and emotional nature.There is nothing wrong with losing semen spontaneously when the body needs to adjust or during dreams, it does not affect you at all. You rarely have wet dreams, the body does not lose or eliminate semen until it knows it has to do it, it is very natural. Instead, a person who masturbates does it weekly or several times a week or there are even cases several times a day and from the beginning the next day and so on. These things are not normal/natural and drastically damage the general health of the individual.

Yes, I know about the practices of athletes, there are several branches of sport in which abstinence is practiced for certain periods of time for maximum performance, including those specified by you.

I want to contradict you about the impact of movies, video games, porn movies, today's some kind of music and more, on the psyche and the emotional. You are young now and I saw that you are a very curious person, eager to discover as many as possible, given the fact that you ask a lot of questions. I guarantee that over time you will discover the predominantly negative effects of consuming the materials mentioned above.

i have experienced dream flight, and it definitely feels real and great. ive experienced all kinds of things in dreams, cant remember them now.
its interesting you felt wet dreams are more intense than real sex.

with regards to masturbation, you can't overdoit due to the bodys limiting factors. if you masturbate once and then do it hours later, the amount of fluid released will be small.

im sure the porn movies, video games, music etc have spiritual and psychological effects. but i dont think they change things physically. the physical issues of modern times, we have pufa, fluoride, xrays, vaccines, inflammatory food ingredients, gmos, pharmaceutical drugs, etc to blame for the modern day physical problems. it's a two fronted attack, certain aspects affect you physically, some are mentally. hence why you can find very devout, religious, spiritually sound types of people who, avoid the porn, the music, the movies, the video games, and seem very mentally sound, but they are suffering physically due to medications, vaccines, pufa in foods, fluoride water etc. on the other end you can find people who have all kinds of psychological issues, really into the video games, the porn, the movies, the whatever, but they are very healthy physically. basically if you have a poor metabolic state, poor physical health, its extremely doubtful simply giving up porn and video games will do much, unless it's a very indirect sort of way like you give those things up, leading to more free time, which leads to more time to research or properly obtain good food or whatever...

 

[TheSir]

No, you ?

I'm afraid of getting arrested.

 

[WanderingTaoist]

I'm afraid of getting arrested.

To be honest, was not sure if your reply was a troll :p so I tested the water.
I have the luxury to have a the privacy to do it in my own backyard, I do it for 3~ minutes when it is sunny.
I feel my testicles are bigger and fuller, especially my left one which was smaller seems to have expanded quite a bit ( which I was very surprised to notice ), both are almost the same size now .
I also take taurine and eat lots of fresh ginger, so they might haved helped too..

I would be glad to have more feedback on this to confirm my "discovery".

 

[TheSir]

To be honest, was not sure if your reply was a troll :p so I tested the water.
I have the luxury to have a the privacy to do it in my own backyard, I do it for 3~ minutes when it is sunny.
I feel my testicles are bigger and fuller, especially my left one which was smaller seems to have expanded quite a bit ( which I was very surprised to notice ), both are almost the same size now .
I also take taurine and eat lots of fresh ginger, so they might haved helped too..

I would be glad to have more feedback on this to confirm my "discovery".

It was a mostly humorous question. I've experimented with sunbathing my testicles though. Funnily they begin to squirm around in response to the heat.

 

[AndrogenicJB]

interesting mate whered you get this chart



did you develop those traits over the 2 years?
semen retention seems to have benefits for energy at least, but i think the effects are mild, the drastic things are still diet, avoiding vaccines, pufa, fluoride, xrays, pharmaceuticals, etc



im not sure if i should make a thread for this but was curious if people have noticed measurable benefits from other health changes, like giving up fluoride or vaccines or xrays or antibiotics/pharma drugs for a period of time?
the problem with all this is anytime youre making these changes if youre making other health changes its hard to measure which change allowed for what effect
ive currently been vaccine free around 10 years, xray free around 2.5 years (prior to that would get a damn yearly dental xray like every year, probably for 10 years and that stuff literally targets your thyroid gland its right there getting xrayed), tap/fluoridated water free for around 1.5 years...

switching from tap to bottled kirkland water seemed to quickly improve my skin quality on the back and face and all around...
with vaccines its been so long its hard to measure the overall effect...
same with xrays

im curious if people have tracked how long theyve been free of these things, alongside maybe something like pufa and anti depressants, and noted the benefits and how things improve the longer you stay away from these things

Diet enhances retention, main benefit of retention is energy/confidence/more of a masculine personality

 

[RenaissanceMan]

how is this the case? I used to do semen retention/no fap for months on end. sometimes 3 months, 4 months, 6 or 7 months at a time. I could look at women on instagram, women on the street, porn online etc and have minimal issue. it was the actual physical act and release of the fluid that caused the negative effects and would cause some level of fatigue and energy loss. the simple viewing of naked women or porn didn't really cause any noticeable effects besides some excitement and attraction.
theres some who think only fapping is a problem, some who think porn is the problem and not fapping or sex, and then semen retention is much broader and is about avoiding all forms of release. only semen retention has actual measurable physical improvements in energy, possibly appearance, etc. simply stopping porn, or switching from masturbation to sex won't do much to change you physically. the old school athletes, boxers, greek athletes etc did semen retention not just nofap... and some of these cultures showed a lot of skin etc. there should be a general avoidance in that you shouldn't be spending all day or hours a day watching porn or nude women because the time should be put to better usage. but the actual physical benefits come from the semen retention aspect.

also on the nofap forums some of the dudes have things like 350 day streaks but they are actually sleeping and ejaculating with a partner every day or every few days. that may be better than fapping but if one guy did a year of nofap via semen retention and the other did nofap but still sleeps with partners those are two totally different things, with totally different benefits attained, and totally different degrees of difficulty. the more you ejaculate the easier it is to abstain from ejaculating further hence nofap is obviously much easier if you're sleeping with a partner everyday, or using a fleshlight or intentionally causing wetdreams vs. doing semen retention. Moreover, if nofap just literally means not fapping on your own, and sex is still allowed on nofap, then where do you put things like sex with robots, fleshlights, or just touch free methods or using water pressure or stimulating wetdreams or something? do you still maintain your streak with those whilst on nofap? it's a bit of a grey area but regardless nofap shouldn't be difficult at all if you have a willing partner. many people fapping would likely be willing to do it with a partner.

It's not only the essence release, although that is the main component and driver of the benefits of course (avoiding prolactin dumps and building Ojas)

But viewing multiple women, especially naked women, causes huge dopamine spikes which can very easily lead to dopamine receptor fatigue

It wasn't too long ago that only the upper-echelon of men were able to see 30 naked women in their entire lifetime, now any guy can see that in an hour with a device and internet connection -- of course there will be some negative consequences

 

[Dr. B]

It's not only the essence release, although that is the main component and driver of the benefits of course (avoiding prolactin dumps and building Ojas)

But viewing multiple women, especially naked women, causes huge dopamine spikes which can very easily lead to dopamine receptor fatigue

It wasn't too long ago that only the upper-echelon of men were able to see 30 naked women in their entire lifetime, now any guy can see that in an hour with a device and internet connection -- of course there will be some negative consequences

i heard it was much easier to see naked women in public in the past. the prostitutes would apparently just be out on the street...
but is that a bad thing, does that also mean those upper echelon of men who did see 30+ naked women had negative effects from it?
prostitutes, strippers etc have been around a long long time... in a free society these things would be rampant... wouldnt the scenario of only the upper echelon of men seeing numerous naked women be something that occurred before the technological age, but also during a time where governments restricted prostitution/nudity. so basically just like the 1900s USA and UK time period?

regarding prolactin, anything which reduces prolactin should help fix any ejaculation related issues? thus more vitamin d3 and calcium would be one of the best antidotes for prolactin issues/ejaculations?