Secular Stagnation In US Economy. Japanification

[Deleted member 5487]

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?



"Japanification is here" -Larry Summers

The reason everyone is freaking out is that peak there in japans stockmarket. Was our Early Febuary.

Expect AGRESSIVE fiscal response.

-Helicopter Money
-Bails out
-Debt Jubilees
-Deflating Stocks of about 70%
-Deflating Real Estate and Home Equity. Could go to Zero if not in Major Tech Cities.



In japan you can get a huge house outside tokoya for free, no one wants them

 

[Regina]

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?



"Japanification is here" -Larry Summers

The reason everyone is freaking out is that peak there in japans stockmarket. Was our Early Febuary.

Expect AGRESSIVE fiscal response.

-Helicopter Money
-Bails out
-Debt Jubilees
-Deflating Stocks of about 70%
-Deflating Real Estate and Home Equity. Could go to Zero if not in Major Tech Cities.



In japan you can get a huge house outside tokoya for free, no one wants them

This scenario was nearly the case in the gorgeous areas outside of Manhattan. We fled Pawling , NY in 2006 within a hair of it collapsing into continuous rising property taxes (despite no "services": no city water; no garbage pickup; no snow plowing the roads; lengthy power outages) and unsellable homes. Yet, whilst the linchpin was about to be pulled, some mega-wealthy individuals were buying up vast portions of it--even declaring themselves non-profit status environmentalists. The water up there is superb. Anyone, other than the moguls, who hung on up there lives, now decades on, in a shattered dream of abject poverty. It remains a playground for the mega-wealthy secret society. It will not make a come back. There are no deals to be had when being lured into the cheap cheap home prices.

 

[Tarmander]

The difference is Japan has almost zero immigration

Going to look a lot different in the US

 

[Regina]

The difference is Japan has almost zero immigration

Going to look a lot different in the US

True that. The US is a very different place. Though definitely not predictable.

When I daydream about moving to a pleasant mountain community with a few trusted friends to live an epicurean life, I am pulled back into the memories of the pretty near medieval manner in which the neighbors prey on each other. You'd better have a tribe and you'd better be handy and know how to look after yourself and your property. It can be wonderful but if your tribe disperses with wanderlust, you'll be left holding a very tough property to sell that is very hard work and expensive to care for.

 

[schultz]

In japan you can get a huge house outside tokoya for free, no one wants them

I'd kill for a house like that.

 

[LeeLemonoil]

Trump sees determined to get the economy and the stock markets up and running again, even at the cost of covid spreading fast.

Influential body of economists that consults the government in Germany states today that they consider a V-like scenario of rather quick and sharp recovery of economy and stocks the most likely.

Let’s

Edit: Given the unstable currency and debt situation since the Euro-Crisis in 2012 with ECB buying unlimited bonds some eminent economists predicted the Eurozone becoming like Japan for some time already

 

[LeeLemonoil]

The Wiki on secular stagnation is surprisingly good. It also discusses the theories of its causes. That’s peaty stuff there. We need analogies of financial and physiological mechanisms. They are very much the same, we‘re just not there yet in describing. The economical sciences would greatly benefit from that

Having A Fast Metabolism Is Analogous To Being Wealthy; ATP = Money

 

[LeeLemonoil]

Coronavirus has sparked a perfect storm of nationalism and financial speculation


Yanis Varoufakis - Corona-Crisis: The Eurogroup Fails Europe once again. Brace for a Hideous EU Recession | Brave New Europe

 

[LeeLemonoil]

The leftist view on the current affairs. Should be interesting for @sunraiser

 

[Deleted member 5487]

Coronavirus has sparked a perfect storm of nationalism and financial speculation


Yanis Varoufakis - Corona-Crisis: The Eurogroup Fails Europe once again. Brace for a Hideous EU Recession | Brave New Europe

Intresting, We will have to see. We're going into some dark times already.

Hold on tight, I am looking at some sort of Oligopoly-Disaster-Survallience Capitalism With an extremely Dumbed down, divided and and debt-peonage population.

So many possibilities

1) Global oligarchy working in concert to crush and lock down the population.
2) Global oligarchy at war with factions (iran/russia/china vs USA/Allies
3) Disaster capitalism: Intentionally using state power to shut down ALL small business why Costco/Walmart/Amazon remain open and sell food/good/toys..etc. Only small grocery stores can remain open. Bioweapons and vaccines pre determined and created
4) Classware fare agianst the lower classes
5) Return to very ruthless and nihilistic neoliberalism. No protection/laws/rules/regulation corporate free for all

Hold on tight. We're alreading looking at some sort of Oligpoly-Disaster-Survallience Capitalism With an extremly dumbed down, divided and and debt peonaged population.

Prepare to be Fleeced!

 

[LeeLemonoil]

Trump seems not involved into any possible deliberate corona-crashdown of the economy and Financial markets. He seems to be prepared to lift the shutdowns for the economy’s sake but gets drowned by „expert“ advice and attacked by guys like bill Gates for the idea.

The good thing about this situation is that we will know for certain in less than half a year if we are indeed prisoners and peasants in a world manipulated by sick elites or not.

 

[S.Seneff]

Japanification is more the fate of the Europe than the USA. There were some hope for some economies of the Europe, but aparently saving people aged 70 plus are more important than the future of the younger generation ! If the death rate was equal whatever the age is it will be understandable, but it is not.

Money should fly from Europe to the USA in massive amount.

 

[LeeLemonoil]

Stagflation can be canceled, there will be no inflation.

Debt Deflation? Still possible.

Japanification of Europe the likeliest (and least scary) scenario. Still, writing of many interwebbed debts internationally has many unknown implications. Situation is highly fluid and risky.

 

[LeeLemonoil]

Stagflation can be canceled, there will be no inflation.

Debt Deflation? Still possible.

Japanification of Europe the likeliest (and least scary) scenario. Still, writing of many interwebbed debts internationally has many unknown implications. Situation is highly fluid and risky.

Extremely wrong. Inflation now manifest and rising.
So much has happened economically and politically within the last 6 pandemic month - it’s very obvious now that Covid is being used as a pretext or opportunity to effect the irreversible destruction of the middle classes

Will add further details for how things play out here in Germany when I find the time

 

[BearWithMe]

Extremely wrong. Inflation now manifest and rising.
So much has happened economically and politically within the last 6 pandemic month - it’s very obvious now that Covid is being used as a pretext or opportunity to effect the irreversible destruction of the middle classes

Will add further details for how things play out here in Germany when I find the time

It is a destruction of the whole economic and political system.

Middle class gets hit the hardest because it was weakened even before c19, but eventually everyone will be destroyed economically, save the top 0.000003%.