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I need to get a root canal removed urgently as it’s causing so much pain. I took 10 aspirin in the last 24 hours . How long before my blood will thicken so I know I’m safe for sugary as I need it to clot properly. Would appreciate any help
 

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I need to get a root canal removed urgently as it’s causing so much pain. I took 10 aspirin in the last 24 hours . How long before my blood will thicken so I know I’m safe for sugary as I need it to clot properly. Would appreciate any help
Curious how things turned out for you?

I have the option of getting a root canal or extraction. I'm leaning towards to extraction.
 
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Curious how things turned out for you?

I have the option of getting a root canal or extraction. I'm leaning towards to extraction.
I still have the root canal . I got products from calcium therapy institute to try keep it healthy . I went to another dentist he said it looks fine but those xrays don’t tell much . I brush with salt . For now it’s ok
 

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I have the option of getting a root canal or extraction. I'm leaning towards to extraction.
I am curious how things turned out for you? Could you share why you were leaning towards extraction? I am asking for a loved one. Thank you.
 

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I am curious how things turned out for you? Could you share why you were leaning towards extraction? I am asking for a loved one. Thank you.
I got the root canal in late September of 21. It went very well. The pain was gone instantly afterward and functionally (being able to chew without pain) is great.

Peat swayed me over with the cognitive declines with those who had teeth extracted, plus I found a dentist who did a procedure that cleans it out thoroughly. Forgot the name.

I'm a 43 year old male in good health. Worst case scenario, I can take it out down the road if necessary. At least I have the option now.
 

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I got the root canal in late September of 21. It went very well. The pain was gone instantly afterward and functionally (being able to chew without pain) is great.

Peat swayed me over with the cognitive declines with those who had teeth extracted, plus I found a dentist who did a procedure that cleans it out thoroughly. Forgot the name.

I'm a 43 year old male in good health. Worst case scenario, I can take it out down the road if necessary. At least I have the option now.
Was he talking about association between lost teeth and cognitive decline or a causal effect? To my understanding, root canal is equivalent to pulling the teeth out in the sense that the teeth is dead either way. Essentially, you are hanging on to dead tissue, plus subjecting yourself to some persistent bacteremia inevitably caused by the operation itself, which will prevent you from achieving higher states of health until the teeth is extracted for good because the immune system will be stuck trying to address the bacteremia without being able to reach into the root canal. I would choose an extraction and the subsequent aesthetic and functional consequences over a root canal and its inevitable & potential complications any day.
 

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Was he talking about association between lost teeth and cognitive decline or a causal effect? To my understanding, root canal is equivalent to pulling the teeth out in the sense that the teeth is dead either way. Essentially, you are hanging on to dead tissue, plus subjecting yourself to some persistent bacteremia inevitably caused by the operation itself, which will prevent you from achieving higher states of health until the teeth is extracted for good because the immune system will be stuck trying to address the bacteremia without being able to reach into the root canal. I would choose an extraction and the subsequent aesthetic and functional consequences over a root canal and its inevitable & potential complications any day.
The former.

I was on board with what you wrote which is why I never got one before until this. Again, I'm my own experiment, so if something isn't right I'll address it. I do value Peat's insight and when it makes sense to me, I do it.
 

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The former.

I was on board with what you wrote which is why I never got one before until this. Again, I'm my own experiment, so if something isn't right I'll address it. I do value Peat's insight and when it makes sense to me, I do it.
Interestingly, I recall reading of a Harvard study in which the researchers examined the health records of some 30,000 people who had died a premature death in an attempt to discover new correlations between certain health markers and an early death. Cholesterol, blood pressure, weight, substance abuse, mental illness, and so on, none of these showed any clear correlations. The only clear correlation was for tooth loss: the more teeth the deceased had lost, the earlier their death tended to be.

Now, is this because tooth loss is a sign of severe systemic disease, or because losing teeth is harmful in itself? I don't know the answer, but I'm leaning towards the former. This is why I was inquiring about the correlation vs causality, because if there was a causal relationship, Peat if anyone would be aware of it, having lost several teeth himself as a result of his earlier experimentation. At the very least, tooth loss can compromise occlusion and airway integrity to the point of causing sleep apnea and compression of some important nerves, but these don't seem significant enough to result in the clear correlation that was found in the aforementioned Harvard study.

In any case, I hope you won't have to face any complications down the line.
 

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Interestingly, I recall reading of a Harvard study in which the researchers examined the health records of some 30,000 people who had died a premature death in an attempt to discover new correlations between certain health markers and an early death. Cholesterol, blood pressure, weight, substance abuse, mental illness, and so on, none of these showed any clear correlations. The only clear correlation was for tooth loss: the more teeth the deceased had lost, the earlier their death tended to be.

Now, is this because tooth loss is a sign of severe systemic disease, or because losing teeth is harmful in itself? I don't know the answer, but I'm leaning towards the former. This is why I was inquiring about the correlation vs causality, because if there was a causal relationship, Peat if anyone would be aware of it, having lost several teeth himself as a result of his earlier experimentation. At the very least, tooth loss can compromise occlusion and airway integrity to the point of causing sleep apnea and compression of some important nerves, but these don't seem significant enough to result in the clear correlation that was found in the aforementioned Harvard study.

In any case, I hope you won't have to face any complications down the line.
I don't doubt the Harvard study, but "most" people who lose teeth and/or get root canals typically don't make significant changes in their health, that got them to this place, before or after these events...I imagine.

I was very hyptothyroid since childhood (37+ years basically) and was very nutritionally deficient. Unfortunately, the changes I made weren't in time to prevent all this. However, I've never felt better in my life. Energy is great, mind is solid and stronger than ever. 1000% better than 4+ years ago and still have so much to build on.
 

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@Lana @Beastmode How are you guys getting root canals done?! Don't they take 3D come beam Ct scan X-rays? Are you not concerned about the imaging radiation exposure?
 

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I don't doubt the Harvard study, but "most" people who lose teeth and/or get root canals typically don't make significant changes in their health, that got them to this place, before or after these events...I imagine.
In such cases, any fears of cognitive decline are most likely unfounded.
I was very hyptothyroid since childhood (37+ years basically) and was very nutritionally deficient. Unfortunately, the changes I made weren't in time to prevent all this. However, I've never felt better in my life. Energy is great, mind is solid and stronger than ever. 1000% better than 4+ years ago and still have so much to build on.
This is great to hear!
 
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@Beastmode thanks again. What kind of filling material did the dentist use?

@TheSir and @Beastmode What do you guys think about composite fillings? I have read on this forum that it can contain formaldehyde, BPA etc. This is what our dentist is going to use. Quoting from Ray Peat: "I think composite fillings are better than amalgam, and the Sorel cements (oxy chloride) are ideal filling materials, though they aren’t popular with dentists."

Also, what do you think about the speculations on the harm from root canal sealers, gutta percha etc. used during the procedure?

What TheSir has been saying has made sense to me too but Ray saying root canals are preferable to extraction and mentioning the cognitive decline seriously changed my mind. Ray knows what he is saying. Again, from RP himself: "...a root filling is better than extraction; the material used for a root filling doesn't matter much, if calcium oxide is used at the end. Calcium oxide would be best for the whole thing, but the x-ray mania has discouraged that use."

It's interesting that most members of this forum are seriously opposed to root canals, while RP thinks it is preferable to extractions.
 

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@Beastmode thanks again. What kind of filling material did the dentist use?

@TheSir and @Beastmode What do you guys think about composite fillings? I have read on this forum that it can contain formaldehyde, BPA etc. This is what our dentist is going to use. Quoting from Ray Peat: "I think composite fillings are better than amalgam, and the Sorel cements (oxy chloride) are ideal filling materials, though they aren’t popular with dentists."

Also, what do you think about the speculations on the harm from root canal sealers, gutta percha etc. used during the procedure?

What TheSir has been saying has made sense to me too but Ray saying root canals are preferable to extraction and mentioning the cognitive decline seriously changed my mind. Ray knows what he is saying. Again, from RP himself: "...a root filling is better than extraction; the material used for a root filling doesn't matter much, if calcium oxide is used at the end. Calcium oxide would be best for the whole thing, but the x-ray mania has discouraged that use."

It's interesting that most members of this forum are seriously opposed to root canals, while RP thinks it is preferable to extractions.
I believe that's the fillings I've had used.

I think most people against root canals, like I was, came from the "alternative" perspective of all these diseases that are linked to them. Maybe how they were done back in the day might make that argument really strong. Or, my previous thoughts above on the lifestyle they continued to live afterward.

When I emailed Peat, I already assumed that he would be against them since that's what I always heard before. When he didn't and said they're actually safe, it definitely swayed my decision on it. B/n the time they told me I needed one and actually getting it was around 3 years for perspective.

Also, I found a dentist who used the "gentle wave" technology which is supposed to make the procedure better.
 

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I believe that's the fillings I've had used.

I think most people against root canals, like I was, came from the "alternative" perspective of all these diseases that are linked to them. Maybe how they were done back in the day might make that argument really strong. Or, my previous thoughts above on the lifestyle they continued to live afterward.

When I emailed Peat, I already assumed that he would be against them since that's what I always heard before. When he didn't and said they're actually safe, it definitely swayed my decision on it. B/n the time they told me I needed one and actually getting it was around 3 years for perspective.

Also, I found a dentist who used the "gentle wave" technology which is supposed to make the procedure better.
Did you have to get X-rays to get the root canal done? Just curious as I am wanting a root canal but they all do come beam Ct scans from what I've found out.
 

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What is your take on dental implant following an extraction?
An implant can help prevent bone resorption and all its consequences, such as loss of mouth space and the subsequent increased chances of developing sleep apnea, as well as loss of aesthetics. My understanding is that after reaching a certain level of high health (somewhere between 40s and 60s control pause in terms of Buteyko), the body will begin to reject any external objects like dental implants and titanium screws.
 

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@Beastmode thanks again. What kind of filling material did the dentist use?

Also, what do you think about the speculations on the harm from root canal sealers, gutta percha etc. used during the procedure?

from RP himself: "...a root filling is better than extraction; the material used for a root filling doesn't matter much, if calcium oxide is used at the end. Calcium oxide would be best for the whole thing, but the x-ray mania has discouraged that use."
I wouldn‘t use calcium oxide again. I have several that were done with this material, and all of them even though they were done by a good endodontist (someone who specialises in doing root canals) have given me post operative pain and are problematic to chew on. I remember reading a journal article about it where it’s use had fallen out of favour somewhat as over 20% of patients experience difficulty with that material. It expands and sterilizes the tubules in teeth, but can cause cracks and also irritate gum tissue as it’s highly alkaline.

One of mine cracked, and another failed at the root tips and both have required removal as a result.
 

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Did you have to get X-rays to get the root canal done? Just curious as I am wanting a root canal but they all do come beam Ct scans from what I've found out.
CT scan.

I suggest making sure they use the GENTLE WAVE technology during the actual root canal procedure as it cleans out the tooth better than anything.
 
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I wouldn‘t use calcium oxide again. I have several that were done with this material, and all of them even though they were done by a good endodontist (someone who specialises in doing root canals) have given me post operative pain and are problematic to chew on. I remember reading a journal article about it where it’s use had fallen out of favour somewhat as over 20% of patients experience difficulty with that material. It expands and sterilizes the tubules in teeth, but can cause cracks and also irritate gum tissue as it’s highly alkaline.

One of mine cracked, and another failed at the root tips and both have required removal as a result.

Almost everyone who has root canals has pain from them, years and years later. The pain isn’t bad but it’s there. It’s a mild soreness. I think this is evidence that they are a source of continued infection.
 

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Almost everyone who has root canals has pain from them, years and years later. The pain isn’t bad but it’s there. It’s a mild soreness. I think this is evidence that they are a source of continued infection.
Would you prefer extraction over root canal?
 

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