Rheumatoid Arthritis Post-Covid Vaccine - Advice

[Blue Water]

Hi all,

My mom, who has had autoimmune connective tissue problems in the past, has developed bad arthritis a few months after her Covid vaccination. I can't say for sure that it was the vaccine, she also started taking a beta-blocker propranolol. I could not find any info on whether that causes arthritis and her doctor said there was no relationship. Would ivermectin be a way to "detox" from a vaccine months later?

I'm not sure how to advise her other than by introducing her to some herbs for arthritis and possibly tapering off the propranolol.

Thanks for the advice as usual.

 

[Sefton10]

Hi all,

My mom, who has had autoimmune connective tissue problems in the past, has developed bad arthritis a few months after her Covid vaccination. I can't say for sure that it was the vaccine, she also started taking a beta-blocker propranolol. I could not find any info on whether that causes arthritis and her doctor said there was no relationship. Would ivermectin be a way to "detox" from a vaccine months later?

I'm not sure how to advise her other than by introducing her to some herbs for arthritis and possibly tapering off the propranolol.

Thanks for the advice as usual.

My mum has RA, people gave me some advice for her here: Help interpreting mother’s blood work

 

[Kaur Singh]

Bacterial lipopolysaccharides form procollagen-endotoxin complexes that trigger cartilage inflammation and degeneration: implications for the development of rheumatoid arthritis - Arthritis Research & Therapy

Introduction We have previously reported that bacterial toxins, especially endotoxins such as lipopolysaccharides (LPS), might be important causative agents in the pathogenesis of rheumatoid arthritis (RA) in an in vitro model that simulates the potential effects of residing in damp buildings...

arthritis-research.biomedcentral.com

https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/694b/0abd9b544a9d77b593257a4fc5a887883fd4.pdf

 

[StephanF]

My ex, still a very good friend, she developed arthritis in one of here feet. She knows about MMS (chlorine dioxide) but started with steroids that didn’t help. She is also vaccinated, not sure if that plays a role. She started with MMS, three activated drops per day, two days ago and she said it is getting better.

I saw the dramatic reversal of arthritis with two stiff fingers in the hands of my mom’s care taker in 2012, she took 4 activated drops per day and on the fifth day the swelling and stiffness was gone!

I think it is due to bacteria from infected gums or root-canal treated teeth. Or an infected tooth. The vaccination may have such an impact on the immune system that these lingering infections can break through.

 

[JohnHafterson]

Look into ginger for RA this article gives a nice work up on mechanisms/processes: immune dysregulation Th1/Th2, inflammation, LPS, etc:

Ginger In RA ( well researched )

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I would also look into a nice high quality B supplement ( thiamine/benfotiamine, B6/P5P, methyl B12, etc ) to help with endothelial function, metabolism, inflammation, and advanced glycation products which are skewed in RA:

Endothelial Function RA:

Microvascular endothelial dysfunction in rheumatoid arthritis - Nature Reviews Rheumatology

Endothelial dysfunction is thought to be an important contributor to the increased risk of cardiovascular diseases seen in patients with rheumatoid arthritis. Microvascular endothelial dysfunction could be a useful predictive marker of cardiovascular events in early rheumatoid arthritis.

www.nature.com

Advanced Glycation End Products RA:

Advanced glycation endproducts are increased in rheumatoid arthritis patients with controlled disease - PubMed

AGEs were increased in RA patients with long-standing disease and without signs of premature atherosclerosis. AGEs were related to endothelial activation and endothelial dysfunction. This supports the hypothesis that in RA AGEs may be an early marker of cardiovascular disease.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

B6 Improving RA:

Vitamin B6 supplementation improves pro-inflammatory responses in patients with rheumatoid arthritis - European Journal of Clinical Nutrition

The purpose of this study was to investigate whether vitamin B6 supplementation had a beneficial effect on inflammatory and immune responses in patients with rheumatoid arthritis (RA). This was a single-blind co-intervention study performed at the Division of Allergy, Immunology and Rheumatology...

www.nature.com

B6/B12/Benfotiamine improving RA:

Advanced glycation end-products inhibition improves endothelial dysfunction in rheumatoid arthritis - PubMed

Advanced glycation end products inhibitor improves endothelial dysfunction and inflammatory disease activity in RA. In RA, endothelial dysfunction is part of the disease process and is mediated by AGEs-induced inflammation.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[Progesterone]

Hi all,

My mom, who has had autoimmune connective tissue problems in the past, has developed bad arthritis a few months after her Covid vaccination. I can't say for sure that it was the vaccine, she also started taking a beta-blocker propranolol. I could not find any info on whether that causes arthritis and her doctor said there was no relationship. Would ivermectin be a way to "detox" from a vaccine months later?

I'm not sure how to advise her other than by introducing her to some herbs for arthritis and possibly tapering off the propranolol.

Thanks for the advice as usual.

Yes I know someone who got a rare autoimmune connective tissue disorder after the vax.

Eosinophilic fasciitis (/ˌiːəˌsɪnəˈfɪlɪk ˌfæʃiˈaɪtɪs, ˌiːoʊ-, -ˌfæsi-/[2][3]), also known as Shulman's syndrome,[4] is an inflammatory disease that affects the fascia, other connective tissues, surrounding muscles, blood vessels and nerves. Unlike other forms of fasciitis, eosinophilic fasciitis is typically self-limited and confined to the arms and legs, although it can require treatment with corticosteroids, and some cases are associated with aplastic anemia

They have been on high dose prednisone for months now....

pls halp?

 

[Blue Water]

My ex, still a very good friend, she developed arthritis in one of here feet. She knows about MMS (chlorine dioxide) but started with steroids that didn’t help. She is also vaccinated, not sure if that plays a role. She started with MMS, three activated drops per day, two days ago and she said it is getting better.

I saw the dramatic reversal of arthritis with two stiff fingers in the hands of my mom’s care taker in 2012, she took 4 activated drops per day and on the fifth day the swelling and stiffness was gone!

I think it is due to bacteria from infected gums or root-canal treated teeth. Or an infected tooth. The vaccination may have such an impact on the immune system that these lingering infections can break through.

MMS might be something to try. @Progesterone.

Also, cat's claw and astragalus. I think autoimmune conditions can be improved with immune boosting herbs even though mainstream websites say to avoid. I think they are good.

Also low-dose naltrexone.

 

[Progesterone]

MMS might be something to try. @Progesterone.

Also, cat's claw and astragalus. I think autoimmune conditions can be improved with immune boosting herbs even though mainstream websites say to avoid. I think they are good.

Also low-dose naltrexone.

What is MMS?

I have her taking NAC now... plus vit D, etc, etc.

Will add Berberine soon (gained weight due to prednisone usage)

 

[StephanF]

What is MMS?

I have her taking NAC now... plus vit D, etc, etc.

Will add Berberine soon (gained weight due to prednisone usage)

MMS ('Miracle Mineral Supplement' - not good wording by Jim Humble, it is not a mineral nor a 'supplement' but it is not far from being a miracle!) stands for chlorine dioxide, which can be generated by mixing drops of a 24% sodium chlorite solution with an equal amount of diluted (~4%) hydrochloric acid. The chemical reaction produces chlorine dioxide, which is a gas that dissolves in water. Chlorine dioxide is an oxidant, that is why one should not take it together with anti-oxidants, such as vitamin C. Chlorine dioxide is a disinfectant, it is used as a water sanitizer. I read through the EPA safety report on chlorine dioxide and at such small amounts, even up to the 'Protocol 1000', which calls for 3 activated drops (3 drops from each bottle) each hour for eight hours, or a total of 24 activated drops, is below the 'no observable effect' level in the EPA report.

However, the FDA and other health organizations warn explicitly against its use to treat anything! It is not recommended to treat or cure anything, despite the numerous reports that it does:

All - MMS Testimonials - Master Mineral Solution, Miracle Mineral Solution

I also witnessed the complete remission in the early onset of arthritis with two stiff fingers in the caretaker of my mom in 2012 in Germany. I posted that on the above website under 'Arthritis'. She took 4 activated drops per day (I think 3 are enough) and after only five days, the arthritis was gone. After two years, I contacted her, she still was taking it and the arthritis did not come back.

 

[burtlancast]

I also witnessed the complete remission in the early onset of arthritis with two stiff fingers in the caretaker of my mom in 2012 in Germany. I posted that on the above website under 'Arthritis'. She took 4 activated drops per day (I think 3 are enough) and after only five days, the arthritis was gone. After two years, I contacted her, she still was taking it and the arthritis did not come back.

Interesting.

I've taken MMS for colds in the past, and it was effective half the time. But i can't imagine taking it everyday for years in case of RA...

Did the lady take it only at flareups, or was it continually every day ?

 

[aliml]

Yes I know someone who got a rare autoimmune connective tissue disorder after the vax.

(/ˌiːəˌsɪnəˈfɪlɪk ˌfæʃiˈaɪtɪs, ˌiːoʊ-, -ˌfæsi-/[2][3]), also known as Shulman's syndrome,[4] is an inflammatory disease that affects the fascia, other connective tissues, surrounding muscles, blood vessels and nerves. Unlike other forms of fasciitis, eosinophilic fasciitis is typically self-limited and confined to the arms and legs, although it can require treatment with corticosteroids, and some cases are associated with aplastic anemia

They have been on high dose prednisone for months now....

pls halp?

The percentage of Th17 cells that produce inflammatory cytokines to be increase in Eosinophilic fasciitis.

Eosinophilic fasciitis: From pathophysiology to treatment

Eosinophilic fasciitis is a disease originally proposed as “diffuse fasciitis with eosinophilia” by Shulman in 1974. The patients with this disease of…

www.sciencedirect.com

Factors that inhibit Th17 cells:

Vitamin A
Zinc
Vitamin D3
Potassium
Methylfolate
Chromium
Curcumin
Boswellia
Licorice
Ginger
Berberine
EGCG
Andrographis / Andrographolide
Black Cumin Seed Oil
Olive leaf extract
Fisetin
Chinese Skullcap/Baicalin
N-Acetylglucosamine / NAG
Grape Seed Extract
Epimedium / Icariin
Apigenin
Honokiol
CBD
Progesterone
Melatonin
Aspirin
Metformin
THC
Nicotine
Galantamine
Huperzine A
Butyrate
Cinnamon
Artemisinin
Beta-Caryophyllene
Parthenolide / Feverfew
Ancient Wheat

Factors that May Lower An Elevated Th17 Immune System - SelfHacked

Th17 cells produce inflammatory cytokines like IL-17 and TNF-alpha. Learn what foods & lifestyle choices affect this response.

selfhacked.com

 

[Gustav3Y]

My mum has RA, people gave me some advice for her here: Help interpreting mother’s blood work

I think Ray believes many of these RA are related to thyroid.
Seeing the bloodwork, she seems to not be ok in this aspect.

 

[Gustav3Y]

I think it is due to bacteria from infected gums or root-canal treated teeth. Or an infected tooth. The vaccination may have such an impact on the immune system that these lingering infections can break through.

I started having bad muscles and bone symptoms exactly after such issues, and they were triggered rapidly as the teeth issues worsened.
Not one doctor of any sort agreed such issues could be of such cause.

 

[Sefton10]

I think Ray believes many of these RA are related to thyroid.
Seeing the bloodwork, she seems to not be ok in this aspect.

Yep, can’t tell her though. She firmly believes it’s just genetic.

 

[Gustav3Y]

Yep, can’t tell her though. She firmly believes it’s just genetic.

Oh man, but what does a doctor think?
I mean having TSH 5.X, wouldn't they just give her thyroid medication, just by that test alone?

 

[Kris]

I started having bad muscles and bone symptoms exactly after such issues, and they were triggered rapidly as the teeth issues worsened.
Not one doctor of any sort agreed such issues could be of such cause.

just my 2 cents. as i posted in another thread, all the root canal teeth and implants need to be removed. this is what did even without having any infections.

 

[Kaur Singh]

Yep, can’t tell her though. She firmly believes it’s just genetic.

Booey... sounds like learned helplessness at work...
you know that example of the rat that manages to escape, spurning the others to not give up and keep trying?
Maybe learning about others with RA, or people with for life-threatening monogenetic diseases,
managing their health and getting better
that may help come out of the resignation.

For example,
People with inborn errors of metabolism and mitochondrial disorders
Some have therapies with co-factors (vitamins) to stimulate residual enzyme function
and get to live (and not die at a young age!)

also:

Rheumatoid Arthritis Managed With Fruit And Protein Diet

Hi everybody on this forum, I've been lurking here for a long time. I've decided to write a post about my condition in case it might be useful for some in similar situation. I've suffered from excruciating joint pain since I was. 17 (I am 47 right now). For many years the attacks were...

raypeatforum.com

Maybe if she experiences something working to relieve the RA
that also can spark the change in belief/attitude.

I'm guessing the prednisone being given is too high a dose...
and that causes a host of issues and the effects can be pretty tough too

how about a little bit of progesterone?
Peat mentions it on the KMUD episode.
any of the things to reduce inflammation too.

 

[Kaur Singh]

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[Gustav3Y]

Booey... sounds like learned helplessness at work...

Most of the people do not listen to what non-doctors have to say how to treat an illness, it is not that complicated.
And you can't blamed them for wanting a doctor or specialist to tell them what do to.

 

[Sefton10]

Oh man, but what does a doctor think?
I mean having TSH 5.X, wouldn't they just give her thyroid medication, just by that test alone?

I don’t think they’ve even mentioned it to her beyond ‘we might need to look at some thyroxine’.

I'm guessing the prednisone being given is too high a dose...
and that causes a host of issues and the effects can be pretty tough too

Ironically, she has been feeling better the last week or so she thinks as a result of the steroids she’s now on. They must be pretty anti-inflammatory as they have reduced symptoms of the temporal arteritis but also the arthritis. When I try and explain that the source of the inflammation is still there and there will be side effects down the line of just treating symptoms with steroids, she looks at me like I’m a madman. She would literally rather pop corticosteroids because the doctor said than try something like progesterone her son suggested.