Rheumatoid Arthritis Is A Metabolic Disease; Vitamin K And Niacinamide May Treat It

[Djukami]

the short answer is that by taking the right level of thyroid

Some people start to feel better and say that they are cured about X condition. But then, "I have to take thyroid" argument appears and I'm always disappointed with that... In my opinion, it means that you are not cured then. I could be wrong though. That's why I want to ask you, what happens if you stop taking thyroid?

 

[Goat-e]

I could be wrong though

Yes.

 

[Djukami]

Yes.

Ok, I may be wrong, but you didn't answer my question... What happens if you remove all those supplements, especially thyroid? Do you continue without symptoms or not?

Hey, I don't want to sound pessimistic, I guess you interpreted that way. I just want to understand if you are able to continue healed without supplements.

 

[Goat-e]

but you didn't answer my question

No, I didn't. Mainly because I don't think it's the right question and have zero interest in getting into what basically boils down to a philosophical discussion.

 

[Simba1992]

I think thyroid function is central in RA and has not gained enough attention until recently when RA is seen as a metabolic dysfunction. There was a lady on another forum who was convinced that the Paddison diet had cured her RA. When listning to her testimonial it was evident that her vegan diet that she had followed for very many years had in fact caused thyroid problems that she now was taking medication for together with the Paddison diet. I think the thyroid med had made the difference not the diet. In my case however, I am not taking thyroid supplement but supporting thyroid function with diet that decreases estrogen, I take progesterone to help normalize estrogen- progesterone balance and supplements that hopefully helps with glucose metabolism. Perhaps it is individual how much thyroid support you need? It may also very well be that you will be needing supplements because of eventual irreversible damage done by the dysfunction that often has been going on for years stressing the whole system. But isn't this way better than toxic meds?

 

[Goat-e]

Exactly, everyone's situation is different. And a little bit of NDT vs Methotrexate? Hardly comparable in my book.

The way I look at it is this, you've been given a small wooden boat to cross the Atlantic in, but half way across the ocean it springs a little leak. You find a tub of some kind of filler which you use and it stops the water coming on board. But 24 hours later it has worn away and you need to reapply. Do you

a) rage against fate for giving you a boat with a leak and not use the filler on principle because you should have been given a better boat

or

b) use the filler when needed and carry on with your journey.

I know which I choose!

 

[charlie]

Hi Simba,

I've managed to get rid of symptoms completely, no inflammation or morning stiffness at all. It's hard to say specifically what helped, other than the broader goal of getting my metabolism to work properly again. That was a long road, trying the various strategies Peat recommends. I also no longer believe in the 'autoimmune' classification, what I think was happening with me was that my body was stressed, the stress hormones were breaking down muscle to get enough glucose and then my immune system was reacting to the cellular debris causing the inflammation and stiffness (search the forum for Cunliffe for more on this view of the immune system, and listen to this A Bioenergetic View Of Autoimmunity [Generative Energy #12]).

You say you're doing AIP by which you mean Auto Immune Paleo? My troubles actually started whilst doing Paleo, and although this doesn't prove anything, the first dr who diagnosed my RA had another patient, similar age to me, who was also doing Paleo and then got RA... Basically Paleo will stress your system, and whilst that can initially seem to improve things, it very quickly ends up going downhill.

That's the long answer, the short answer is that by taking the right level of thyroid, making sure I have ample sugars in my diet and a good amount of protein has worked wonders. It can take awhile to get it all dialed in though, but it can be done! And it all starts with forgetting about 'RA' as much as possible to begin with assessing your basic metabolic function (temp and pulse) to know where you are. From there you can work out a strategy, test it for a few weeks and then reassess. You'll get quite skilled at this as you go on, and although it will seem slow at the start things will pick up as parts of the puzzle gradually fall into place.

Fantastic! Thank you so much for the update.

 

[Goat-e]

Fantastic! Thank you so much for the update.

Honestly, If I hadn't found Peat's work and this forum to help me interpret it all then I dread to think where I would have ended up... So thank you!

 

[charlie]

Honestly, If I hadn't found Peat's work and this forum to help me interpret it all then I dread to think where I would have ended up... So thank you!

 

[charlie]

Ok, I may be wrong, but you didn't answer my question... What happens if you remove all those supplements, especially thyroid? Do you continue without symptoms or not?

Many many people on this forum who started taking thyroid while also implementing Peat knowledge have found that eventually they need less and less thyroid as their metabolic vigor improves. With many not needing it all anymore. Giving the body a bit of extra thyroid to help pull itself out the metabolic hole that we have found ourselves in, can be useful.

 

[Simba1992]

Exactly, everyone's situation is different. And a little bit of NDT vs Methotrexate? Hardly comparable in my book.

The way I look at it is this, you've been given a small wooden boat to cross the Atlantic in, but half way across the ocean it springs a little leak. You find a tub of some kind of filler which you use and it stops the water coming on board. But 24 hours later it has worn away and you need to reapply. Do you

a) rage against fate for giving you a boat with a leak and not use the filler on principle because you should have been given a better boat

or

b) use the filler when needed and carry on with your journey.

I know which I choose!

That was a good one

 

[Simba1992]

Fantastic! Thank you so much for the update.

Feels so good to hear that this time I'm probably taking steps in the right direction! Yes I too came to a point where AIP was pulling me down but I interpreted it to not understanding the important role of the carbs. I am still keeping away from nightshades (more because of the estrogen) and gluten as well as legumes. Am a bit uncertain about dairy. Casin is supposed to be so inflammatory? Don't really understand the problem with dairy. What are your thoughts? I haven't really been working with any doc since my horrid experience with a supposedly very competent rheumy professor. Now I feel I would need the help of an endo to understand my thyroid situation and also my glucose metabolism more precisely, but I am a bit afraid of these french know-it-all specialists with their total lack of bedside manner. Perhaps you can tell me what tests I should take that would be important for me to follow up, then I can go to my GP and ask him to give me an ordenance. He is a very kind man and mostly does what I want:) Thank you and all the best to you, Simba

 

[Djukami]

Many many people on this forum who started taking thyroid while also implementing Peat knowledge have found that eventually they need less and less thyroid as their metabolic vigor improves. With many not needing it all anymore. Giving the body a bit of extra thyroid to help pull itself out the metabolic hole that we have found ourselves in, can be useful.

Yes, I agree with you. And that was actually the answer I was expecting @Goat-e gave to me. Something along those lines.
Although, I would really like to read those stories more. They seem to be missing
Even Danny Roddy still takes thyroid...

what basically boils down to a philosophical discussion.

Philosophical? What do you mean? I don't want to philosophize about anything. I want to understand the results...
The answer could be something so simple like this:

- "Yes, I've completely removed thyroid and have no symptoms at all. I am really happy with the results!"

OR

- "Yes, I've tried a couple of days of not taking thyroid, and, unfortunately, all my symptoms came back. Between taking thyroid or having RA, I really prefer taking thyroid."

Where's the philosophy here? I am no one to judge you. But I am curious about the mechanics and how some results are achieved.

a) rage against fate for giving you a boat with a leak and not use the filler on principle because you should have been given a better boat

or

b) use the filler when needed and carry on with your journey.

I know which I choose!

Ok, I understand now what do you mean by philosophical discussion. You answered me here and I must thank you for that even if it was not directly to me.
And, believe it or not, I agree with you. It's better to have a filler than sink completely. Even I do the same: I know what things cause me more good than harm. And I don't want to get back to that state, I don't even want to test it. Perhaps I will experiment in the future, who knows. But not right now.

 

[Simba1992]

Hi Simba,

I've managed to get rid of symptoms completely, no inflammation or morning stiffness at all. It's hard to say specifically what helped, other than the broader goal of getting my metabolism to work properly again. That was a long road, trying the various strategies Peat recommends. I also no longer believe in the 'autoimmune' classification, what I think was happening with me was that my body was stressed, the stress hormones were breaking down muscle to get enough glucose and then my immune system was reacting to the cellular debris causing the inflammation and stiffness (search the forum for Cunliffe for more on this view of the immune system, and listen to this A Bioenergetic View Of Autoimmunity [Generative Energy #12]).

You say you're doing AIP by which you mean Auto Immune Paleo? My troubles actually started whilst doing Paleo, and although this doesn't prove anything, the first dr who diagnosed my RA had another patient, similar age to me, who was also doing Paleo and then got RA... Basically Paleo will stress your system, and whilst that can initially seem to improve things, it very quickly ends up going downhill.

That's the long answer, the short answer is that by taking the right level of thyroid, making sure I have ample sugars in my diet and a good amount of protein has worked wonders. It can take awhile to get it all dialed in though, but it can be done! And it all starts with forgetting about 'RA' as much as possible to begin with assessing your basic metabolic function (temp and pulse) to know where you are. From there you can work out a strategy, test it for a few weeks and then reassess. You'll get quite skilled at this as you go on, and although it will seem slow at the start things will pick up as parts of the puzzle gradually fall into place.

Hello Jake,
Did you ever try the high doses of kuinone and B3? Very curious to know if any effect!

 

[tomisonbottom]

.....But in investigating it turned out my daytime temps peaked at 35.7, so, figuring I wasn’t going to be able to achieve anything until my body was working better, I cast aside my focus on the RA and concentrated on raising my metabolism which I’ve finally managed to some extent by going T3 only in three largish doses a day (anything less than 12.5mcg at a time has zero effect).

Hi Simba, I've managed to get rid of symptoms completely, no inflammation or morning stiffness at all. It's hard to say specifically what helped, other than the broader goal of getting my metabolism to work properly again. That was a long road, trying the various strategies Peat recommends.

That's the long answer, the short answer is that by taking the right level of thyroid, making sure I have ample sugars in my diet and a good amount of protein has worked wonders.

Curious, did you keep taking 12.5 mcg at a time? And if so, no reverse T3 effects from that?

 

[ddjd]

Thus, methylene blue can combine the effects of both vitamin K and niacinamide.

Is it still advisable to take Niacinamide with methylene blue?

 

[InChristAlone]

@Amazoniac posted a book mentioning Vitamin B5 taking away symptoms of RA.

 

[Goat-e]

No, it was like I needed to do that to get things working properly, I was then able to further refine dosages. Where I've ended up is 1 grain ndt (was using WP thyroid but have switched to Tyromax) in the summer, 2 grains in the winter.

Edit to say this was in response to @tomisonbottom

 

[Amazoniac]

@Amazoniac posted a book mentioning Vitamin B5 taking away symptoms of RA.

Wouldn't we expect Vit C to be involved as well?
Vitamin C in Stem Cell Biology: Impact on Extracellular Matrix Homeostasis and Epigenetics

 

[InChristAlone]

Wouldn't we expect Vit C to be involved as well?
Vitamin C in Stem Cell Biology: Impact on Extracellular Matrix Homeostasis and Epigenetics

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