Resistances from some Peat fans to a Basic Peat Diet

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  1. narouz

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    I wanted to toss this out for discussion.

    Over in another thread I've been trying to formulate
    something like a "Basic Peat Diet"
    or a "Strict Peat Diet" or an "Accurate Peat Diet"
    or a "Peat Derived Diet."

    I think it's worth noting, even before getting down (in that other thread)
    to the nuts and bolts of sifting through Peat's many diet-related statements,
    that one runs into significant resistance from many Peat fans
    for reasons I will label "intellectual."
    Many Peat fans simply don't want Peat to be interpreted clearly--that is seen as a danger.
    Why is that?

    I wanted here to analyze and summarize a couple of those common resistances:


    1. There are the interpreters who emphasize Peat's perceived ambiguity, relativism, or mysticism:
    "The Peat that Can Be Spoken is Not The True Peat."
    I'm riffing there on the famous line from Lao Tzu,
    "the Tao that can be spoken is not the true Tao."
    Because Peat makes so many statements
    advocating humility and condemning arrogant-but-stupid authority,
    many like to make Peat into a mystic or a relativist:
    "Context is Everything" becomes "Nothing Can Be Known with Any Clarity."
    Many Peat fans ape his humble, anti-authoritarian comments and attitude
    and see as a threat
    efforts to make clear interpretations of his work.
    If clear statements and generalizations are disallowed,
    PeatLand becomes a vast grayzone.
    From there it is a but short leap to being able to claim
    that just about anything is a "Peat Diet."
    Some even consider the term itself blasphemous
    (because a "Peat Diet which can be spoken is not a true Peat Diet").

    2. Peat as Rorschach:
    have you ever fallen in love with the music of a very obscure band?
    If so, have you noticed how that music sort of becomes Your Music,
    by virtue of the fact that the music is so rare?
    And have you noticed how you loathe any notion that that music, that band,
    might become popular or mainstream?
    I think this happens with many Peat lovers:
    he becomes our own, private, cryptic, obscure TruthSayer.
    Our identification with him reinforces our own reality--
    as long as he remains rare and obscure, so do we!
    We might struggle if Peat came out with a mainstream book,
    available to common understandings.
    He would cease to be our own private province.
    He would no longer be rare, and thus would we also.
    We would become common.
     
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    Re: Intellectual Resistances to a Basic Peat Diet

    Darn narouz, you have us pegged! And, I think you could be right. :confused

     
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    Nice Charlie. :lol:
     
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    Re: Intellectual Resistances to a Basic Peat Diet

    Glad to report I do not feel this way. I do admit, that since I have been anti-establishment, for a few years now that side of Peat did appeal to me. But I would love the 'sheeple' of the world to all adopt Ray Peat 'diet' recommendations and watch Big Pharma etc crumble. I care about people and want everyone to potentially be 'healthy' so this definitely does not apply to me.
    I would have no issues with this info being mainstream. It would literally transform the world.
     
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    Well, thats obviously not how I think though, cause, look around. :mrgreen:
     
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    I want other people to know Peat's info, but not mainly because it'll be good for them, but because it'll be good for me, since society will be organized in a way I can get my Peat food more easily. I'd like to see vast areas where wheat is grown replaced by orange plantations.
     
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    Hehe we knew that already mate.

    @j, selfish, but I like your way of thinking.
     
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    Re: Intellectual Resistances to a Basic Peat Diet

    I created a thread in the very "Pro Paleo" forum of gymnastic bodies

    http://www.gymnasticbodies.com/forum/vi ... f=8&t=9724

    Unfortunately at the time I was on holiday and distracted so didn't make a very good argument for this approach to nutrition.

    As you can see from the thread most are very anti peat - Because they do not understand it . Many of the statements made are based on misconceptions and misinformation so I stopped posting. Joshua seems to be the only person there who actively wants to learn read and question. I would love to see someone from here who is more articulate than I on paper add some good discussion to the thread.

    Joshua states
    which is a blunt and final statement which in itself could be seen as final, but as we know, that is certainly not the case.

    What amazes me is the fact that so many people quite literally write this man off as a crazy quack and it baffles me.

    It sums up the common cult like approach many devout Paleo followers have. They remain blinkered and stop reading and learning. I refuse to do that.
     
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    Actually scrap that, whats the point haha.
     
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    Yeh, you cannot change a mind that doesnt want to be changed. :2cents

    And I heard another one recently, something like. Dont argue unless YOU have something to gain.

    I'd rather save my energy to help people here who are looking for that mind/body change.

    People are not very accepting to Peats ideas. They think they know better than a scientist trained in biology and physiology that has been studying the body and its works for a few decades. I mean, who am I to argue with them. :roll: :lol:
     
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    Re: Intellectual Resistances to a Basic Peat Diet

    Martin-
    We're talking about different things, I think.
    You're talking about people who are Against Peat's ideas
    and exert intense resistance to Peatian ideas.

    I'm talking about people who Love Peat and his ideas,
    but feel threatened if someone tries to clarify them--
    to articulate, for instance, a reasonably straight-forward "Accurate Peat-Derived Diet"
    (or "Strict Peat Diet" or "Optimal Peat Diet" or whatever...).

    Also: the phenomenon you discuss--
    going onto a website with a different (than Peat) nutritional philosophy
    and discovering resistance or even hostility...
    ...that is sort of like the flip side of what I was talking about:
    people associating a philosophy or philosopher or scientist
    with themselves,
    using it to reinforce their egos,
    and getting into "turf" defense and stuff.

    The ego dynamic gets to be more important than the open-minded inquiry....
     
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    Oh, no! This may interfere with my plans to dance on the graves of my enemies. Please stop! :lol:
     
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    Re: Intellectual Resistances to a Basic Peat Diet

    :rolling
     
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