I think it is worth cycling as androsterone is a prohormone to DHT and other androgens. Also, androsterone itself and these androgens can all inhibit estrogen synthesis and if it becomes too low it can cause symptoms. As Ray said, steroids fat away from the original source (cholesterol/pregnenolone) should be used sparingly and in lower doses. The 10mg daily dose is probably OK, especially when used with Pansterone but you may also want to try androsterone only combined with say 100mg oral pregnenolone.
I noticed this. From what I could tell from a quick search, they are the same thing.I noticed the steroid used in the study is "dehydroISOandrosterone". DHEA is an abbreviation for "dehydroEPIandrosterone". Are they the same steroid? Can't seem to find anything about the former.
So I've been playing with the following combination the past 72 hours:
1 : 1 : 1 ratio of Androsterone:Pansterone:5a-DHP
It's the most surreal combination of calmness I think I've ever tried. I feel so chill that my mind kind of feels like mush on some levels.
It's kind of hard to explain actually but its intense.
Digging into the details of this study:
It shows that the most androgenic effect was actually achieved with androsterone alone, without DHEA. Also, mixture that achieved the arbitrarily chosen androgenic level with the least amount of steroid used was 100% androsterone, 0% DHEA. This "mixture" was not ranked #1 though because the 25%/75% mixture used less androsterone, even though the total amount of steroid used including the DHEA was higher.
To me, these details suggest the possibility that 100% androsterone is the way to go if one is looking for androgenicity.
I'd be interested if anyone has any thoughts or updates on experimentation.
Perhaps. I'm just going by the details of the study. I forgot to mention that even the curve of 50%/50% mixture is just about to flatten out and go down like the rest of them as the dose is increased. But raising DHT at the expense of lowering T may still raise androgenicity according to certain measures. But I'll agree that doesn't mean it is necessarily desirable.Isn’t the issue potentially with Androsterone alone the conversion into DHT, which can lower total T ?
I use androsterone mostly because it is a precursor to DHT and I like to take precursors instead of direct hormones whenever possible. But in cases where metabolis is compromised and the steroid enzymes are not working well, or if there is an excess of cortisol/estrogen/prolactin one may need to use 11-keto DHT to bring things under control. You should not be doing something just because I am doing it. You should try things yourself and do what works best for you.
Hello Georgi,I would apply on the skin or take orally. Probably too much T and DHT to dissolve properly in a bottle of Pansterone, but could work if heated well. If it is the SFA/ethanol version some of the ethanol will evaporate when heated so you may need to add more to make it back into 15ml volume. If it is the tocopherol/MCT version then no need to add anything.
Hello Nebula,Awesome, so do you think a bottle of pansterone with your current formula's solvents would be able to dissolve 450 mg T and 180 mg DHT? That would be perfect, so every 4 drops would contain 5 mg T and 2 mg DHT, along with 5mg DHEA and Preg. Then extra pregnenolone could be supplemented as necessary.
Do you think this DHT/T/DHEA/Preg solution would be best applied to the scrotum? Or would a smaller amount be more appropriate if applied there? Maybe divided in two doses per day?
Nope haven’t got around to it. I would still like to try dissolving 180-360 mg T or DHT per bottle though (0.5 to 1 mg per drop) Haidut said that should be possible.Hello Nebula,
Did you ever get to creating a “home brew” combining androstanalone / testosterone powder in combination with Georgi’s pansterone product? If so, how did it go? Plus how easy was it to dissolve the androstanalone/ testosterone into a full bottle of pansterone?
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