Religious Discussion

[Kyle M]

Such a world doesn't exist, and will not in our lifetimes.

I believe we can get closer to that than we can get to taking over the state to enact solely nationalist dictates. No evidence either way though so we have to agree to disagree on that one.

The easiest way: force the local supermarket to give you money.

Here's where the alt right doesn't get it, immigrants don't have the power to do this without the government to help them. Riots against Trump are allowed to happen because the police are told not to arrest anyone or interfere. Business owners, if they shot rioters that were damaging their property or looting their stores, would be prosecuted. All you have to do is stop that from happening, and the regular business men and women of America can easily defend themselves. With concealed carry, any criminal trying to "force" the local grocery store to give them food would be summarily taken care of, and that would be the end of that as a viable option for eating, as it was in the past when self defense was protected and not attacked.

And what groups do you think voted for the change? Who voted for the welfare state?

Elite liberals, and they definitely funded the movement. Who voted for socialism and mass immigration in Sweden in the 1970s-1990s? ******* white liberal people, that's all that was in Sweden then. You are blaming the result as the cause, immigrants can't vote for the policies that allow them to immigrate before they are there.

And where will this liberty solution come from? Mass tax evasion?

Technology has already done a lot for this. Look at how Uber and Lyft took down the taxi cab cartel. If people focus on market activity rather than government solutions, of which I think there are none, then more progress would happen faster. The idea that having a majority white population would stop socialist policies is retarded, the biggest advocates of all of that ***t are the ghost white Bernie Sanders Brooklyn hipster crowd. The state simply cannot be co-opted to do good, something Stefan Molyneux himself said before his revenue stream convinced him to turn alt right.

 

[DaveFoster]

Here's where the alt right doesn't get it, immigrants don't have the power to do this without the government to help them. Riots against Trump are allowed to happen because the police are told not to arrest anyone or interfere. Business owners, if they shot rioters that were damaging their property or looting their stores, would be prosecuted. All you have to do is stop that from happening, and the regular business men and women of America can easily defend themselves. With concealed carry, any criminal trying to "force" the local grocery store to give them food would be summarily taken care of, and that would be the end of that as a viable option for eating, as it was in the past when self defense was protected and not attacked.

We have a democracy; we have a state; the voting majority has almost become collectivist. How do you transition? What do you think about Atlas Shrugged?

The idea that technology dissuades collectivists does not hold historical water.

Elite liberals, and they definitely funded the movement. Who voted for socialism and mass immigration in Sweden in the 1970s-1990s? ******* white liberal people, that's all that was in Sweden then. You are blaming the result as the cause, immigrants can't vote for the policies that allow them to immigrate before they are there.

And who influenced these elite liberals? What were their motivations, and what ideologies led to their political direction?

 

[Kyle M]

We have a democracy; we have a state; the voting majority has almost become collectivist. How do you transition? What do you think about Atlas Shrugged?

I only know possibilities, like state nullification, 10th amendment center, jury nullification, armed resistance, opting out of using fiat currency through bitcoin barter and gold/silver, the free state project. It's a many pronged approach, some people get really into some of these things, some others. I am of the opinion that Ron Paul holds, which is that America will have to have a real crash before a significant number of people can do the reflection and soul searching necessary for a liberty movement.
What about Atlas Shrugged? I don't think any small number of men could create technology to hide them from nation states.

The idea that technology dissuades collectivists does not hold historical water.
And who influenced these elite liberals? What were their motivations, and what ideologies led to their political direction?

Technology gives individuals the power to resist collectivism. Before the internet, information was more controlled by the state. Before bitcoin, before Uber, etc. Technology is employed by the state as well, but the nature of technological innovation itself is libertarian and diffuse so it gives an advantage to new movers against lumbering legacy ones like the state.

Elite liberals have always been influenced by white intellectuals, as far back as Marx, Kant, Rousseau, etc. and probably much farther but those are the quasi-modern heavy hitters. No blacks or browns in that group, I can tell you.