Red Light Therapy, Lights, Supplemental Lighting

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    This post will be about Red Light therapy and the effects it has on the body. I will be pooling together all the information I can find via Dr. Ray Peat and also other sources. I will add links towards the bottom of places you can purchase the correct lighting from. If there is anything that is wrong or that I missed out on please feel free to critique or add.

    What Dr. Ray Peat says about red light:

    Ray Peat

    Stem cells, cell culture, and culture: Issues in regeneration
    Aging Eyes, Infant Eyes, and Excitable Tissues
    The problem of Alzheimer's disease as a clue to immortality Part 2
    http://raypeat.com/articles/articles/ti ... tion.shtml
    Radiation and Growth January 2011 Newsletter:

    What other people say about red light therapy:

    redlighttherapyinc.com

    Buy Red Light & Infrared Light Therapy Devices By Clicking Here
     
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    If anyone has advice on how to use the red light it would be greatly appreciated.

    I am also confused if you should use red light or infrared. Someone said to use both for deeper penetration.
     
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    --Ray Peat, PhD
     
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    In an interview Ray mentioned the use of a heat lamp. 250 watts, 130 volts. In the winter he said to use 2 or 3.
     
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    Did he say how long to run them? All day? Few minutes a day?
     
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    I am fascinated by this Peat area.
    As far I can tell, Charlie,
    the kind bulb that Peat recommends
    is also a HEAT lamp.
    I'm not sure about the InfraRed thing,
    but...I'm thinking it is also infrared.

    I wish I could paint a seemly picture in my imagination
    of how these lights might be used.

    As I'm grappling with it now
    it would seem that here, in summertime, when I've got the AC going,
    I would have to crank up the AC
    to counterbalance/offset the dual 250 watt heat bulbs.
    Kinda weird.
    Not undo-able.
    Just...a tad strange.
    I mean if company stops by and you have to explain....

    Another thing I'm wondering about is
    is it desirable to have the lights shining into one's eyes.
    Some theories of light say that is what you want to do.
    What I've read with regard to Peat
    is that one should have like a couple of them
    and use them in bursts of 5 to 20 minutes throughout the day and evening, but not too late.
    Danny Roddy's facebook page how has a cool thread about light.

    Maybe it was on that site that someone who seemed to know said
    that you need to focus the bulbs on the upper half of your body.
    Why? Dunno.
    This person did not seem to say they had to be shining directly into one's eyes.
    That might be a bummer.
     
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    I usually have a heat lamp running when it starts to get dark and typically will have it on all night
     
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    Sorry to bombard you here, Cliff, but...

    How do you sleep with the light?
    Just doesn't bother you, or you have a mask or what?
    (You're more thorough with this light thing than Peat himself--
    didn't I read that he tried sleeping with these lights on
    but said he stopped because it was unpleasant...?)

    With all the quality and intense surfing sun you get...
    Do you understand the light effects as being something one can't simply store for later (at night)?
    In other words
    even if someone gets a ton of sun all day
    the nighttime stress situation as described by Peat still pertains...?

    How much heat does the light add?
    Do you have to use extra AC to offset it?

    Finally: is there any part of the body the light should be aimed at, ideally?
    For instance, should it be shining into one's eyes?
     
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    I have been putting my light above my bed the last couple nights and leaving it on right up till I go to sleep. Some people are reporting that you are able to go to sleep much easier with the light on, and stay asleep with the light on. I havent found that yet.

    I am pretty sure the stress hormones start rising as soon as you are in the dark, and continue rising till its day time again.

    It definitely puts out heat, I am under mine right now and can feel the heat. If it betters my health, I do not mind paying a little extra for AC. And in the winter, I have a feeling 2 or 3 of these will comfortably heat my small bedroom.

    I was listening to Dr. Peat on a radio show a couple days ago. He said to be as naked as possible, and to shine the light on as much area as possible. Over in the Ray Peat Fans group, they are saying to shine it on the head and upper body per Ray Peat. I am assuming Ray said this because the upper body and head have the most skin area?
     
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    The devil sure is in the detail with this red light stuff.

    There are a few things hanging me up,
    keeping me from Seeing the Light on this. :roll:

    First one is: I hate bright light shining into my eyes.
    (Maybe this is a symptom revealing how MUCH I NEED red light!?)

    This HEAT thing...I can overcome that, I guess.
    Just makes me feel like Richard Nixon.
    (He reportedly went to great lengths to have his Camp David cottage
    artificially cooled to frigid temps
    so that he could enjoy the coziness of a real fireplace fire in the summer. :eek: )

    So I guess my big hang-up is the Light in the Eyes thing.
    I'm imagining all sorts of bizarre set-ups I might employ to avoid it.
    Maybe I could have a light or two set up beside me as I sit
    working at my desk in the evenings...
    set up with a metal deflector which would block the light shining into my eyes directly
    and just allow the light to shine on my torso and legs...?

    I guess there is another bummer to consider:
    as one is paying more to jack up the AC to counter-balance the heat from the lamps
    one is also paying more for the lamps themselves to run--
    and that could be considerable:
    they historically have been known as "heat lamps"
    and I don't think they're exactly cheap to run,
    especially several of them for long periods of time everyday... :(

    But as you say, Charlie,
    if they really, significantly help one's Health...
    ...I'd do it.

    Anybody else here share my aversion to bright lights shining in one's eyes?
    I was reading something online about this recently--
    it was late at night and I'm not remembering it very well, but--
    seems like the general notion about that was that
    a sensitivity to bright lights is a giveaway that one desperately NEEDS red light therapy...? :cry:
    I'll see if I can remember where I was reading that....
     
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    During the day when I am running it, like now, I keep it off to the side so its not blaring in my eyes. Or, I keep it behind me. Danny Roddy says he blares it into his retina's if I remember his statement correctly. Me, I dont want it in my face like that.

    Last night, when laying in bed. I had the light on, pretty close to me, above me, maybe 2 feet away. Ran for about ten minutes, had my eyes closed because I dont really like the bright light either. So, I reached over and unplugged the light, eyes still closed, room completely dark, I had the most intense visuals I can ever remember. It lasted a good 15 seconds, but wow! It was pretty cool.
     
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    Another basic stumbling block for me would seem to be ridiculously easy to clarify:
    Are "red lights" the same thing as "infrared lights"?

    But I just have not been able to find a straight, clear answer to that!

    If you look on, say, Wikipedia at the definition of "Infrared Light,"
    it would seem to say that they are different,
    that "infrared radiation" starts where "red light" ends.

    Now, on this website...

    ...they would seem to say that "red light" and "infrared light" are one and the same:

    Well, the prefix "infra" means "beneath," or "under," I believe.
    The logic of the word would make one think that "infrared light" would be under or beneath "red light."

    Another question batters around inside my head.
    Have you seen advertisements for those "Amish" area heaters?
    Actually, as I understand it, it's a bit of a scam
    because the only thing Amish about the heaters is the (cosmetic) cabinetry in which it is enclosed.
    Apparently the "heater" apparatus is and InfraRed heater which,
    as the advertisements put it,
    radiates rays out which heat the various objects--walls, chairs, humans?--they hit.
    Claims to be a very economical and healthy way to heat.
    Always seemed scary to me, like heating oneself with a microwave or something.

    If those "Amish" heaters are indeed "infrared,"
    I don't think they involve any LIGHT.
    That makes me think that Red Light is different than InfraRed Light
    (maybe Red Light is still a visible "light," whereas InfraRed is not really a "light"
    but rather a form of "radiation"...?
    But isn't Red Light a light AND a form of radiation...?)

    I gotta get some closure on these vexing questions!
     
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    I saw that too, Charlie, but as I recall
    he later said he was just kidding.
     
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    Not sure he should be kidding around about stuff like that. :confused
     
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    "Hormones of Darkness"

    Here's where I was reading about some implications of eyes sensitive to light:
    Aging Eyes, Infant Eyes, and Excitable Tissues by Ray Peat
    http://raypeat.com/articles/articles/aging-eyes.shtml

    [...]

    The quote above makes me think Peat is dealing with "visible light,"
    and that "red light" is different from "infrared light"
    in that infrared light is not really even a "light" in that it is not visible...?

    Peat continues...

    So, in the quote above it seems clear that Peat is talking about "lights," not just waves or radiation,
    and that the lights are "bright" (visible), so again--not infrared...?

    Also, and this has probably been perfectly clear to everyone but me,
    it seems clear that the "artificial" bright lights Peat notes
    are substitutes--or partial substitutes--for the natural light of the sun.
    (So is it also clear, then, that Peat would presumably favor at least moderate sun-tanning
    and artificial tanning in safe "tanning beds"...? I would tend to think so.)

    Peat continues, discussing the role of melatonin in light sensitivity:

    ...and...

    That last paragraph would seem to indicate that the sun's light
    contains both good and bad light--because the sun does radiate UV along with red light...?

    One more peripheral observation on something Peat mentioned about melatonin above:

    That was interesting to me
    because we usually associate dreaming with deep, REM, healthful sleep.
    But maybe if we're dreaming a lot that indicates unhealthy sleep,
    under the influence of too much melatonin--a stress hormone of darkness...?

    And, to answer my own question in this thread, earlier,
    it would seem that my aversion to bright lights
    might indicate (surprise!) that I've been damaged by
    melatonin and prolactin and estrogen and iron and (of course!) PUFAs
    and all of the "Hormones of Darkness."

    I will fight, fight against the dying of the light!
    Bring on the Red Lights!
     
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    Red and infrared refer to the wavelenght of the light/radiation.
    I think they are often used interchangeably because the spectrum of incandescent lights roughly follows a Wien's law, so if the peak intensity hits in the visible-red range then infrared wavelengths are still significant, and vice-versa.
     
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    Thanks Rem.
    If I'm reading you right,
    you're saying that
    while they overlap some, they are not the same.
     
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    Re: "Hormones of Darkness"

    Well, these "infrared" lights I am running are really bright, and really visible!
     
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    Some Peat quotes from Danny Roddy's article:
    Ray Peat's Brain: Building a Foundation for Better Understanding
    http://www.dannyroddy.com/main/2011...ding-a-foundation-for-better-understandi.html

    Interesting quotes.
    Some clarify.
    Some muck things up even more!:

    Interesting, above, that he says "red light" and says it can be effective shining on legs and feet.
    But he confuses me when he uses the term "u.v. lamps."
    He says, "I think the u.v. lamps are good for use in the winter."
    So there is he using the term "u.v. lamps" interchangeably for "red light"?
    That wouldn't make sense, because "U.V." stands for UltraViolet--
    isn't that what is sometimes referred to as "blue light"--the bad kind of light?

    Now I get confused, because Peat seems to use "incandescent bulb"...what?...interchangeably for "red light"?
    But not all incandescent bulbs are "red light" bulbs, are they?
     
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