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  1. RedLightMan

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    We are British company specialising in LED lighting for the purpose of light therapy.

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    Our current light therapy products are built to efficiently target cytochrome c oxidase in the mitochondria, leading to improved ATP/co2 production via several mechanisms. Studies of photobiomodulation/LLLT are the main inspiration behind our work, along with input from many in the Ray Peat community and elsewhere.

    If like us, you find the interaction of red (and infrared) light with biology fascinating, or even confusing, visit our site for easy to understand and regularly updated articles related to red light therapy:

    redlightman.com
    redlightman.com/blog

    We are offering an exclusive 10% off entire store coupon code only for raypeatforum.com members. Just PM me through here (or via the site;mentioning raypeatforum) and I'll reply with the code.
    Feel free to send any other questions, comments or suggestions.

    We are based in the UK, but ship worldwide via UPS, DPD, etc., with full tracking. Delivery is free to all UK destinations but has a variable charge for overseas.
     
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    I would like to welcome RedLightMan to the Ray Peat Forum merchants section. :welcome

    RedLightMan, I appreciate you offering the discount to Ray Peat Forum members, thank you!

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    @RedLightMan Which product would come most close to Ray Peat recommandations?
     
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    Cool, I've been thinking during long time on getting a red light device but never decided for a definite one, researching meanwhile on specs, quality, value... etc. I've just had a look at RLM and it definitely seems a very good choice.

    I think I gonna go with the red light one and I'll report and let all you know about self impressions and results :)
     
  6. RedLightMan

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    While I can't speak for him, I know Dr Peat has talked about light photodissociating nitric oxide from the cytochrome c oxidase complex in mitochondria (where it is competing with o2 - thus hampering respiration). Any light between 600nm & 950nm will have a good effect, but some people speculate that light in the 660-690nm range may release more NO than other wavelengths - making our red light device suitable. I'd like to see more evidence on this though.
    Wavelengths higher than 800nm are known to penetrate to a greater depth in the body, which is worth considering. Studies focused on the 810-850nm (& 610-630nm) range do show very solid results too, which are featured in our infrared product. Ultimately I think they're both close to ray peat recommendations, it just depends what you want to achieve.
     
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    I've read latest research shows infrared light promotes photoaging on the skin.
     
  8. Kasper

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    @RedLightMan huuum I'm confused, Ray Peat says NO is highly toxic, do you understand this @haidut ?
     
  9. RedLightMan

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    Worth keeping in mind that the term 'infrared' covers the wavelength range 700nm to 1000000nm. We're only interested in the first part of Infrared-A, basically the 700-950nm. It's an easy job finding studies that show the positive effects of that range.

    Having said that I can see how infrared-a in the context of sunlight (and various stronger artificial IR sources) probably does contribute to photoaging. The reason for this is known as the biphasic dose response - This is a video of Michael Hamblin talking about it (skip to 1:32):


    Like any therapy or treatment, dose parameters are important. 'Light/Laser therapy' is commonly prepositioned with 'low-level' for that reason. There's an ideal dose of light, and then there's an overdose. If your skin is being heated significantly, for long periods of time, then you're likely in infrared overdose territory. It's like a lot of things in life - even salt will harm you if you have too much.

    In the extreme, you're going to have thermal damage to the skin & tissues, as infrared-a can be absorbed by water. Over-stimulation is also linked to increased reactive oxygen species and other things. The most brutal study I've seen was with a high dose infrared laser used on male rat's testicles, basically cooking them. Ouch.

    While there is still lots of debate around the ideal doses, they seem to lie around the 4-6j/cm² range. To roughly calculate what dose you are receiving you just need to know the W/cm² of the device, the penetration rate of the wavelengths and depth of your targeted tissue.
     
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    I agree that NO is highly toxic. My understanding is that when NO is bound in the mitochondria, it's having a negative effect on ATP production.
    When I say red light 'releases' NO, I'm not talking about creating new NO. I mean that red light is basically kicking the already present NO out of the mitochondria.
    Methylene blue is something that works well in combination with red light, as MB actually inhibits nitric oxide synthesis. So there's less nitric oxide around because of the methylene blue, and what does get produced by nitric oxide synthase is kicked out of mitochondria by red light.

    Red light is basically the bouncer of mitochondria - keeping the stress molecules out.
     
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    This. Red light helps dissociate NO from cytochrome C oxidase. As long as NO is bound to the cytochome C oxidase it cannot do its job of shuttling electrons and ultimately synthesis of ATP suffers. MB can both inhibit new NO synthesis by iNOS and also scavenge existing NO from the cell. It can also circumvent the damaged cytochrome C oxidase and serve as an alternative carrier of electrons and even as a final electron acceptor in place of oxygen. It is the combination of these properties that make it so effective against cancer and dementia, and it synergizes greatly with red light. The combination of MB and red light is patented as a type of "photodynamic therapy" for treatment of some cancers and it in clinical trial right now. I would not be surprised if methylene blue becomes a regulated drug pretty soon.
     
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    Redlightman, well done on your choice of avatar.
     
  13. RedLightMan

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    Well thank you. You can't beat a nice soothing 630nm avatar. Consider it a mini light therapy dose from your screen. :rotatinglight::eyes:
     
  14. narouz

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    (put this in another thread about red light and testicles...but meant for it to go here...)

    Thank you Red Light Man for the red light option.
    What I'm wondering about is how the incandescent option
    compares to RLM's LED option
    in terms of health impact, cost, and comfort.

    Let me note that I'm one of those (maybe the only one!) who can't escape the conclusion
    that Peat is mistaken about his favored red light source--
    the 130V heat lamp run at 120V,
    putatively moving the delivered spectrum back more into the desirable 620-850nm range.
    Seems to me like that setup shifts the spectrum out more into the infrared.
    (This discussion is on the forum somewhere--it was several years ago.)

    So, I've long used the regular 300V incandescent bulbs.
    Not the heat lamps--130V or 120V.
    Halogen seems like a good or even maybe better option than incandescent,
    but...more blue/greenish light perhaps and hot.

    Here is a chart comparing the emissions and wavelength spectrums...

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    ...so Peat has said red light is the best,
    and (forgive me if I'm a little off here, but)...roughly in the 620-850nm range.
    He has said a continuous spectrum is probably better than a narrowly focus spectrum.

    I would consider RML's technology.
    But, the cost of one of his red light unit's is $150.
    For that money I could buy about 10 x 300watt incandescent bulbs
    and sockets and reflective housings, delivering about 3,000watts.

    On the negative side, arguably, with that arrary I am still getting quite a lot of other spectrums,
    and quite a lot of heat--though nowhere near as much as heat lamps,
    and not really too unpleasant: I don't usually use 10 bulbs...more like 1-4.

    Seems like RLM's red light unit is very cool.
    How does the power compare, I wonder?
    Each of those units runs on 100watts.
    Does that mean it is about 1/3 as powerful as a 300w incandescent bulb,
    but with that output being more focused in the 620-650nm range,
    so perhaps given that concentration in the narrow spectrum...
    I don't know...maybe about as powerful as one 300w incandescent bulb
    in terms of Peatish wavelengths?

    RLM's light would seem to be a hands down winner in terms of comfortableness,
    unless one is trying to use the lights as a heat source.

    Also I wonder about the health impact
    of being able to shine RLM's unit in a focused way very close to the skin.
    On the one hand that would seem to be desirable
    if one is trying to heal a specific area.
    On the other hand,
    if one is going for a generalized healing effect,
    would it be better to be shining the light over the whole body?

    I'm also wondering if RLM's red light unit sends light any deeper into the body.
    I guess one could get that idea,
    seeing how one could place it very close to the skin
    and have it focused intensely on a small area.
    But...I'd lean towards thinking the light is of the same nature as an incandescent light--
    I mean, it is not a laser--
    so probably the light from his unit penetrates to the same depth as an incandescent bulb...?

    Just some questions I've been ticking over in my mind
    as I look at RLM's products.
     
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    Greetings Red Light Man
    I also look forward to your considerations on the ever-thoughtful Narouz's post above.
    And I have a simple question or two of my own - is there any research on red light therapy inducing cell apoptosis or reconnecting cellular communication so that maturation rather than continuous cell replication occurs?
    It's all a function of energy so somewhere it should have been tried? In a lean body of say an older person, would 25mm penetration be sufficient to 're-energise' lymph nodes or even major organs?
    Grateful for your thoughts, or anecdotal reports, with thanks
    Sheila
     
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    Redlightman, do the rp forum discounts and other discounts add?
     
  17. RedLightMan

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    A lot of good points!
    It's not possible to compare light output between technologies by the wattage. LED technology is generally considered to be from 5 to 10 times more energy efficient than incandescents for general full spectrum. 6w LED = 60w incandescent.
    It's more profound than that though since we're looking for 600-950nm only and then comparing LEDs in the specific peak wavelengths to the broad spectrum incandescents. It seems like only 10-20% of the incandescent output is in the ideal range, and a fraction of that at specific cytochrome c oxidase absorption peaks.

    Running costs are obviously going to be a lot less with LEDs vs incandescents, although set-up costs higher. Life span is something worth factoring into costs too, as LEDs tend to last 40 times longer than incandescents. In the long run incandescents are one of the most expensive/inefficient methods of light therapy.

    Regarding the full spectrum vs optimised wavelengths - some researchers suggest that single wavelengths may be as effective (or more so) as full spectrum by causing an attraction or repulsion on neighboring electrons in the cytochrome c oxidase electron transport chain, leading to a cascade.
    Individual wavelengths are studied and proven to a much greater degree (both lasers and LEDs) than full spectrum lights like halogen or incandescent. One of the reasons for this is being able to determine a dose.

    The red light product we have emits light at a 70° angle, meaning you can use it close up to treat a specific area (and to penetrate deeper), or hold it further away to treat a large area.
    The power density of any light is the main factor when it comes to penetration into the body. If a light isn't focused with a reflector or lens, the power density will drop significantly. Power density also drops off the further away you have the light source from the body. Other things such as wavelength are also important in determining this, and so is coherence of the light (i.e. lasers) which has an impact too.

    I think incandescents are ok, and a good, initially cheap, way to try light therapy. I would use them if it was all I had access to. I don't consider them optimal in the long term for several reasons. I don't think the blue/UV output is worth worrying about in incandescents, and some of the far-infrared wavelengths can be blocked by shining the light through water before it reaches the skin. If you are getting good results from them and have figured out an effective way/time to apply it without being heated too much, then keep it up.
     
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    Regarding the penetration of red light and being able to affect lymph/organs, there is reason to believe it will, yes. Firstly, light penetration is a function of power density and time, rather than an absolute limit like 25mm. Even so, it may be hard to treat internal organs directly, but light anywhere on the body can have a systemic effect via the blood. Various components of the blood have mitochondria (like white blood cells and platelets). The best example of this I have seen is by a Japanese researcher and called 'Ohshiro's proximal priority technique'. They basically shine light on the neck (aiming for blood arteries) and have found it useful for treating several conditions including lymph problems, scars, and severe female infertility.

    There are some studies on apoptosis, such as this one: Cell viability, reactive oxygen species, apoptosis, and necrosis in myoblast cultures exposed to low-level infrared laser. - PubMed - NCBI but it's not something I have looked into much, yet.
     
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    Multiple coupon codes - no
    Price cuts/sales + coupon codes - yes
     
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    Can you post a video illustration of the red light box so we can have better sense of its applicability and logistics? I am thinking about getting it and I would like to get to know it better before it arrives. What are your shipment rates to the UAE?
    I don't know if you've looked at my heat lamp setup (Question About Red Light). I am worried about the heat, so I think your product will provide the good wavelengths while avoiding the heat.
     
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