Record numbers of Western citizens identify as LGBTQ

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The study is actually about the US, but other studies show the numbers for other "developed" countries are at least as high. Here is a study that compared the US to other countries.

Make of that what you will, but since most of the LGBTQ won't have/raise children, these numbers are probably thrilling for the depopulation crowd at Davos. The discussions going on in the thread on gender conflicts below touched upon some related issues such as endocrine disruptors, stress, etc.

Oh, and once again the young are leading the pack - about 1 in 5 (20%) GenZ/Millennials identify as LGBTQ. So, it looks like the stereotype about the "closet gay Boomer" is not backed up by the evidence, Btw, the rates in younger people may be even higher than the study reports because the youngest subjects of the study also had the highest rates of refusing to provide info on their sexual orientation.

"...The number of adult Americans who identify as something other than heterosexual has risen to a record 7.1%, a new Gallup phone survey revealed on Thursday. The metric has more than doubled since 2012, the first year the company started tracking such data. Then, 3.5% of respondents who volunteered their sexual orientation and/or gender identity said they were part of the LGBTQ community. The increase reflects a wider relevance of such identities among younger generations, the polling agency said. Among GenZs, or people born between 1997 and 2003, 20.8% of people identified as LGBTQ. For comparison, only 2.6% of Baby Boomers, born between 1946 and 1964, responded that way. Millennials (born 1981-1996, in Gallup’s terms) were the second-largest age group in terms of LGBTQ representation, but were also among the least likely to name their identity. Some 7.1% declined to answer that question, on par with people born before 1949. Among GenZs, only 3.5% didn’t want to divulge this information. Most of the growth in LGBTQ identification was among GenZ and Millenials, with the percentage of such people among older generations remaining stable over the years. For GenZ, it doubled since 2017, when the metric stood at 10.5%. Over the years, a greater portion of the generation reached adulthood and became eligible for Gallup’s poll, it noted."
 

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ha! i was just musing on the possibility of a very particular brand of progressive thought like modern iterations of queer and feminist ideology becoming extinct because the women who believe in them increase the average age of motherhood and lower the birth rate so the replication of their kin and their own thoughtforms decelerates. meanwhile Islamist societies and much of the rest of the world continue to populate rapidly and transmit conservative family structures and ideals. a kind of perfect logic to the survival of ideologies in that they are for the most part transmissible through family systems, with the relatively minor exceptions of rejections or conversions.
 

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From my vocation I can tell you that a lot of the "identifying" is to be cool. Keep in mind simply adding goofy pronouns to a social media profile counts. Not being stereotypical counts as non-binary especially to Zoomers, and this is especially true when you can consider that clothing like "Skinny jeans" are seen as unisex (or not, when convenient) by some of the younger crowd. In other words, it's "soup of the day" mentality. I think the choice to "fit in" in such a silly way speaks to the atomization of society that Ray talks about, never mind the endocrine angle.
 
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ha! i was just musing on the possibility of a very particular brand of progressive thought like modern iterations of queer and feminist ideology becoming extinct because the women who believe in them increase the average age of motherhood and lower the birth rate so the replication of their kin and their own thoughtforms decelerates. meanwhile Islamist societies and much of the rest of the world continue to populate rapidly and transmit conservative family structures and ideals. a kind of perfect logic to the survival of ideologies in that they are for the most part transmissible through family systems, with the relatively minor exceptions of rejections or conversions.

Yep, and the artificial uteruses and AI nannies coming soon is probably going to make females as gender obsolete. Males have already been made obsolete back in 1990s when it was demonstrated a sperm cell's DNA payload can be changed. More recently, they were able to create sperm stem cells so the process is even more streamlined now. So, you can grow sperm cells in a lab and when needed just get some, replace their DNA with the desire new payload DNA, inseminate an egg (also growable in a lab), put it in the artificial uterus and then when born have the AI nanny raise it. If Elon Musks's technologies are allowed to take hold the new "baby" will probably not even be fully human but have various parts replaced by tech gadgets. The entire human race is on its way out, if things continue unabated, but most people celebrate these technologies as if they are somehow being altruistically developed (btw usually funded by massive corporations) for improving mankind's welfare.
 

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identifying as LGBTQ is incentivized through funding/scholarships during college and can give a leg up above competition for jobs because of "diversity". Yes, some swing in different ways naturally and may regardless, but labeling yourself as such can be a successful adaptive strategy in a rapidly globalized world where less "good jobs" exist. There are lots of reward systems in place to encourage this behavior. Of course being queer is promoted and funded culturally for depopulation and to break down the traditional family unit.
 
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The study is actually about the US, but other studies show the numbers for other "developed" countries are at least as high. Here is a study that compared the US to other countries.

Make of that what you will, but since most of the LGBTQ won't have/raise children, these numbers are probably thrilling for the depopulation crowd at Davos. The discussions going on in the thread on gender conflicts below touched upon some related issues such as endocrine disruptors, stress, etc.

Oh, and once again the young are leading the pack - about 1 in 5 (20%) GenZ/Millennials identify as LGBTQ. So, it looks like the stereotype about the "closet gay Boomer" is not backed up by the evidence, Btw, the rates in younger people may be even higher than the study reports because the youngest subjects of the study also had the highest rates of refusing to provide info on their sexual orientation.

"...The number of adult Americans who identify as something other than heterosexual has risen to a record 7.1%, a new Gallup phone survey revealed on Thursday. The metric has more than doubled since 2012, the first year the company started tracking such data. Then, 3.5% of respondents who volunteered their sexual orientation and/or gender identity said they were part of the LGBTQ community. The increase reflects a wider relevance of such identities among younger generations, the polling agency said. Among GenZs, or people born between 1997 and 2003, 20.8% of people identified as LGBTQ. For comparison, only 2.6% of Baby Boomers, born between 1946 and 1964, responded that way. Millennials (born 1981-1996, in Gallup’s terms) were the second-largest age group in terms of LGBTQ representation, but were also among the least likely to name their identity. Some 7.1% declined to answer that question, on par with people born before 1949. Among GenZs, only 3.5% didn’t want to divulge this information. Most of the growth in LGBTQ identification was among GenZ and Millenials, with the percentage of such people among older generations remaining stable over the years. For GenZ, it doubled since 2017, when the metric stood at 10.5%. Over the years, a greater portion of the generation reached adulthood and became eligible for Gallup’s poll, it noted."
coming from Chicago, I think 'm'lgbtq whatever'.
But moving to a small town mostly conservative; Christian families and vacationers, I am amazed at the speed of LGBTQ adaption change.
The town has frequent anemic classic car shows on its short main street. It's really a boring event but the streets are blocked off for it.
As I coursed around detours, I kept seeing lesbian couples hand-in-hand seeming to be coming from the show. Perhaps 12 different couples. And weird age pairings. Like an 18 yr old girl struggling on super high shoes and a 30 something love partner. Oh, I thought, it must have been a different event; a gay parade maybe.
Nope. It was the good ole classic car show normally only 70 yr old retired men go to.
It was just an odd juxtaposition. Like a Felini film.
 
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coming from Chicago, I think 'm'lgbtq whatever'.
But moving to a small town mostly conservative; Christian families and vacationers, I am amazed at the speed of LGBTQ adaption change.
The town has frequent anemic classic car shows on its short main street. It's really a boring event but the streets are blocked off for it.
As I coursed around detours, I kept seeing lesbian couples hand-in-hand seeming to be coming from the show. Perhaps 12 different couples. And weird age pairings. Like an 18 yr old girl struggling on super high shoes and a 30 something love partner. Oh, I thought, it must have been a different event; a gay parade maybe.
Nope. It was the good ole classic car show normally only 70 yr old retired men go to.
It was just an odd juxtaposition. Like a Felini film.

I hear you. I guess it serves the depopulation agenda perfectly. Most gay people (and even a good number of straights) do not plan on raising children (biological or adopted). If 1/5 of young people are gay, 1/4 cannot conceive without medical help, and most are financially not in a position to afford even one child then within a generation immigration will remain as the only "replenishment" strategy. The fact that all these gay couples felt welcome-enough to move to a small (presumably Christian and conservative) town means their numbers are growing and do not feel like they would be shunned/harassed even in the heartland.
 

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From my vocation I can tell you that a lot of the "identifying" is to be cool. Keep in mind simply adding goofy pronouns to a social media profile counts. Not being stereotypical counts as non-binary especially to Zoomers, and this is especially true when you can consider that clothing like "Skinny jeans" are seen as unisex (or not, when convenient) by some of the younger crowd. In other words, it's "soup of the day" mentality. I think the choice to "fit in" in such a silly way speaks to the atomization of society that Ray talks about, never mind the endocrine angle.
Second this. I have friends with preteen and teen kids and they constantly tell me about how their kids complain that huge numbers of their peers at school are “coming out” as this identity or that identity - impressionable 11 year olds who have no clue what any of this means but they see it on social media as cool and so they are it. Those kids then passively exert social pressure on other kids to declare themselves queer as well, so as to fit in. Looks like it’s a fad.
 

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Second this. I have friends with preteen and teen kids and they constantly tell me about how their kids complain that huge numbers of their peers at school are “coming out” as this identity or that identity - impressionable 11 year olds who have no clue what any of this means but they see it on social media as cool and so they are it. Those kids then passively exert social pressure on other kids to declare themselves queer as well, so as to fit in. Looks like it’s a fad.
I only wish it was a fad- but it’s the fabric of what these children are being taught as absolute truth.

I found it’s the woke teachers more than anyone.
Truly educated fools.

My first hand example:
in my daughters choir class each child had to stand up PUBLICLY and state their pronouns.
(The teacher identifies as female. She. Her. Hers. Or whatever.)

I quickly contacted that said teacher: but she defended- it all was done “for the sake of the Christmas program”; “we didn’t want to misrepresent any child in the program”. Program meaning the one you receive when you walk into the gymnasium.

Stupidity breeds evil.
Or simply- stupidity is evil.
 

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ha! i was just musing on the possibility of a very particular brand of progressive thought like modern iterations of queer and feminist ideology becoming extinct because the women who believe in them increase the average age of motherhood and lower the birth rate so the replication of their kin and their own thoughtforms decelerates. meanwhile Islamist societies and much of the rest of the world continue to populate rapidly and transmit conservative family structures and ideals. a kind of perfect logic to the survival of ideologies in that they are for the most part transmissible through family systems, with the relatively minor exceptions of rejections or conversions.
Unfortunately they replicate through brainwashing of children. That’s the function of public school
 

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I only wish it was a fad- but it’s the fabric of what these children are being taught as absolute truth.

I found it’s the woke teachers more than anyone.
Truly educated fools.

My first hand example:
in my daughters choir class each child had to stand up PUBLICLY and state their pronouns.
(The teacher identifies as female. She. Her. Hers. Or whatever.)

I quickly contacted that said teacher: but she defended- it all was done “for the sake of the Christmas program”; “we didn’t want to misrepresent any child in the program”. Program meaning the one you receive when you walk into the gymnasium.

Stupidity breeds evil.
Or simply- stupidity is evil.
Satanic.
 
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Looks like it’s a fad.

I with it were the case, but the study above is backed up by doctor reports about their patients, and stats kept by the American Medical Association (AMA). A huge increase in LGBTQ couples coming in together to see the doctor, discussing sexuality, HIV prevention, etc. I doubt they are all lying to their doctor about having sex with each other. And if a person is attracted to the same sex enough to have sex with them...well, I don't think there is much pretending of fad going on.
 
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I hate to be a broken record but I've observed how often people think they are gay when they use a lot of porn. When they stop the porn, over maybe 6 to 9 months they gain a more "normal" sexual orientation. There is something incredibly destructive about porn as it is used today.
 

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I hear you. I guess it serves the depopulation agenda perfectly. Most gay people (and even a good number of straights) do not plan on raising children (biological or adopted). If 1/5 of young people are gay, 1/4 cannot conceive without medical help, and most are financially not in a position to afford even one child then within a generation immigration will remain as the only "replenishment" strategy. The fact that all these gay couples felt welcome-enough to move to a small (presumably Christian and conservative) town means their numbers are growing and do not feel like they would be shunned/harassed even in the heartland.
Of course, i don't care--but for the long term agenda and how it is insidiously engineered.
Of course, they are welcome really. Because they don't bring crime.
The vacationers are largely mild-mannered Canadians and Minnesotans.
Anything artsy is always welcome. And retirees just don't want any trouble.

Gay kids are much preferred to the damaged bitter and angry white male.
Most of the families here do have a gentle morality.
But there is some percentage of violent crime. And it is committed by violent white men.
They do and are not done-to. They have records (brutal wife beatings and strangulations; fentanyl; armed robbery; stabbings).
If local girls do not marry one of the many nice moral men, this is tough place for an unwanted girl.

We have bike week that brings 10,000's of harley riders. But they tend to only breeze through the family areas.

So immigrants and LGBTQ will be welcomed.
 

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My mother is gay. Had two kids, biologically. Both her exes have two kids biologically too. I know plenty of gay parented families... Millenials arent having kids whatever their orientation because we're broke lol
 

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I with it were the case, but the study above is backed up by doctor reports about their patients, and stats kept by the American Medical Association (AMA). A huge increase in LGBTQ couples coming in together to see the doctor, discussing sexuality, HIV prevention, etc. I doubt they are all lying to their doctor about having sex with each other. And if a person is attracted to the same sex enough to have sex with them...well, I don't think there is much pretending of fad going on.
Are more of them coming in because there are more of them, or because they’re visiting the doctor more often? Homosexual men for example have pretty bad health as a group, both physical and mental, and maybe visits are up because in the current cultural climate they don’t feel as embarrassed about visiting a physician for a STD as was the case 10 years ago.

The reason I don’t think this is driven by gays but rather the wishy washy self identification of alternative sexual and gender identities is because the percentages fluctuate by so much by generation, and also the boom took off right when gender identity first started becoming a thing in mainstream discourse, right around 2010. I find it hard to believe that generation A is gay at a 2% rate but generation B five times as gay, and the generation after that twice as gay again.

I think it’s more likely that the way the smorgasbord of gender identities is defined virtually anyone can find an identity they can identify with whenever they want to - there’s no objective physical or biological standard - it’s all about “feelings”. This is how the percentages jump so rapidly from Gen to Gen and also over the space of just 10 years. It’s not biology, it’s social behavior.

There’s a journalist called Abigail Schrier who wrote a good book on transgenderism in teenage girls and her conclusion is that it’s a craze, because of how ultra concentrated these incidences are within circles of friends, usually groups of girls who have low social status, and also how they come exclusively (she interviewed 70+ families) from left wing families. She compared it to the craze of anorexia a couple of decades ago.

Adolescents are highly impressionable and the queer lifestyle is being pumped to the max now in the media. Many can choose to identify as whatever (for now) and then abandon it a few years from now - the bar to entry and exit from the LGBT club is so low now that virtually anyone can hop in and hop out of the club at a moments notice.

Remember the common knowledge that 10% of the population is gay? I’ve heard that umpteen times over the past two decades but very few people know that this statistic was a fabrication created by a gay activist called Luke Sissyfag, which was picked up without question by gay-friendly journalists and repeated around the world until it became a “fact”. I think they overstate their numbers whenever they can for political reasons.

Also I don’t think homosexual behavior is as fixed as you suggest. I personally know a woman who became lesbian for 4 years after being in a relationship with a ghetto dude who used to beat her, then decided she wasn’t and has had a boyfriend again for the past 5-6 years. In her case it was definitely a choice, not an innate urge. She’s kind of whacky and swings from extremes to extremes in many areas of her life, not just relationships.

I know of another dude who hooked up with a girl, who turned out to have a dong once “she” pulled her skirt down. He related the story as realizing that the she was a he halfway through foreplay, but decided to just go through with it anyway since he was already horny and in the heat of the moment. This was a choice. He’s not attracted to men. He didn’t see anything weird about this - I guess that’s just how he was raised - he was attracted to what looked like an Asian female but turned out to be a ladyboy, but even after realizing this figured “eh, a hole is a hole”.
 
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I hate to be a broken record but I've observed how often people think they are gay when they use a lot of porn. When they stop the porn, over maybe 6 to 9 months they gain a more "normal" sexual orientation. There is something incredibly destructive about porn as it is used today.

I agree. And the type of porn seems to have changed too. Very little to none of the "vanilla" stuff, which is what was dominant until say the end of the first decade of the 21st century. Mostly twisted fetishes, incest, and violent porn these days.
 
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I agree. And the type of porn seems to have changed too. Very little to none of the "vanilla" stuff, which is what was dominant until say the end of the first decade of the 21st century. Mostly twisted fetishes, incest, and violent porn these days.

there are also a handful of studies that show that surfing "high speed porn", from one video to another, is part of major structural changes to the brain over time that can destroy "normal" sexuality completely. And the result is the need for more and more extreme stuff in order to get off...
 

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Gay kids are much preferred to the damaged bitter and angry white male.
Most of the families here do have a gentle morality.
But there is some percentage of violent crime. And it is committed by violent white men.
They do and are not done-to. They have records (brutal wife beatings and strangulations; fentanyl; armed robbery; stabbings).
If local girls do not marry one of the many nice moral men, this is tough place for an unwanted
Way to set up a false dichotomy/red herring there…as if queers and white male criminals are the only two options here.

What does a (probably small) number of white male criminals in a midwestern small town have to do with a thread about the rampant spread of sexual deviancy in younger generations?
 
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