Recommended Diet For Someone With Arterial Thoracic Outlet Syndrome?

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  1. Kt400

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    Hi I saw a vascular surgeon yesterday. He had me do something called an Adson's maneuver where I bring my arm up to a 90/90 position, he feels for my pulse, then I turn my head as far to the side as possible. After I turned my head to max end range he felt my pulse go away. The same thing for my opposite side. He believes that I may have arterial TOS. He mentioned that treatment for this would involve removing my first ribs. However he explained that it's possible that it may make it worse.

    Aside from physical therapy would it be wise to put more natural "blood thinners" into my diet? What foods should I avoid? Would the diet thing even make a difference in this case?
     
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    Are you a baseball player or swimmer? I was a pitcher and had neurogenic TOS. I saw a specialist who treats it with Botox or the removal of first rib. This was the end of my career and simply stopping throwing as well as giving my time off from exercise calmed a lot of the symptoms.

    Did you get this looked because you had pain? For me personally, what has given the most relief from muscle pain is daily glycine, BCAAs, and creatine along with very controlled lifts including rows, band pull aparts, very slow, very light shoulder exercises. I am interested to hear why you got evaluated in the first place before I go into more detail about what worked for me.
     
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    Other than throwing I have no pain right now. Seven years ago I got moved into the outfield after I threw a ball into the dugout from second base. I lost feeling with the ball in my hand and my velocity would fluctuate over time despite keeping my body strong. I struggled with the "yips" for four years after that until one day I couldn't throw without pain which is when I opted for shoulder surgery (slap repair x bicep tenodesis). MRI showed torn labrum and bicep tendon.

    It's been 3.5 years since the surgery and I'm still unable to throw without pain. I am much worse now than I was before surgery. There were days I could throw 300 feet even with the injury. Now I can't even throw 200 feet without worrying about my shoulder coming out of my socket (it's severely subluxed from throwing several times after surgery, never before surgery) Perhaps because the bicep tendon is no longer there acting as a "seat belt." Also atrophy has never

    Last year was the first time I thought I might have TOS when I was examined by a PT from USC. He examined me with my shirt off and saw that my rotator cuff was about 60% the size of my non dominant side. Keep in mind this is well over two years after the shoulder surgery. My strenght in the weight room was regained and I was heavier so we were confused as to why there was still "muscle wasting." He suggested that it's possible my arteries may be getting cut off somewhere impeding blood flow to my rotator cuff.

    Fast forward to now, vascular surgeon applied Adson's Maneuver and my pulse apparently went away when I turned my head as far as I could.
     
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    Btw I would reconsider abstaining from exercise. I'm sure there's a balance but lifting weights helps you maintain correct posture and keeps you strong (deadlifts, squats, bench). My symptoms are worse if I abstain from exercise as my current job demands me to sit down for long periods of time.

    When I had a six hour flight on spirit airlines not too long ago I woke up at the end of the flight and my shoulder was super cranky and my neck and traps were stiff for several days until I got back in the gym.
     
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    Yeah, I was diagnosed with that too. I did have the 1st rib removed by a vascular surgeon. But it happened as an emergency surgery due to clot in my subclavien from said thoracic outlet syndrome.
    I was traveling on business, with a heavy suitcase and confusing travel connections and ground locations making me stressed. Post-surgery, I was sent home with an indefinite prescription for coumadin.
    Here is what I would do now instead. No surgery. No coumadin.
    Take K2 (Kuinone) and progesterone and do pushups; half regular and half hindu. Consider thyroid health as well.
    Still, I would say I am not a candidate for 1-arm kettlebell press.
     
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    I'm assuming K2 would help with thinning the blood? What will progesterone do? Also how do you feel about first rib mobilization and various neck stretches?
     
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    The K2 in case some of the pressure is due to calcium build up. K2 will help put calcium in the structural bones where it belongs, rather than in soft tissue. The progesterone in case estrogen is causing swelling in the area. Progesterone will also help restrain growth of "fill in" material. I would also take aspirin. Some of the costochondritis exercises seem useful as well as rib mobilization.
    But strengthening your body via anti-catabolic means makes the whole body more resilient.
     
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    How often should i take the k2, prog, and aspirin?

    Always ask myself what is the cause of the first rib to be pinching into collar bone... You bringing up costochondritis makes me think about how my other ribs may be affecting my first rib.
     
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    there are several forms of this. I would try the therapy first before any type of surgery.
     
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    Is it safe to take aspirin everyday when you're 26? Should I take it before or after my workouts?
     
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    I eat eggs and meat everyday. How is it k2 is what i am lacking?
     
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